Arms Transfers: States Love Secrets, But We Want the Facts

By Alaphia Zoyab, an Online Communications Officer from Amnesty’s International Secretariat.

All governments say they want to stop the flow of illicit arms, but listening to many of them at the UN today, it became clear that not many are willing to do anything about it.

This is because it will involve much greater transparency on how they report on arms transfers and this immediately makes governments uncomfortable.

Amnesty International’s findings show that the biggest source of illegal arms is through diversions from legal stockpiles and authorised trade. However, because current reporting by governments on imports, exports and arms transfers is so poor, it is near impossible to establish where and how deadly weapons are getting diverted.

So if States want to be able to find out how this is happening and put a stop to it, then they have to commit to greater overall transparency by reporting publicly. States can’t claim “confidentiality” due to security needs on the one hand and miraculously expect illegal arms transfers to stop on the other. It’s not a one way street.

But another reason Amnesty International wants to see public reporting on arms transfers in the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is so that people like us can actually see what our governments are doing – who are they giving arms to and are they taking enough care to ensure these arms don’t end up in the hands of human rights violators?

Some people think such extensive public reporting will lead to excessive bureaucracy but the fact is all the largest arms producers and exporters – China, Russia, France, Germany, the UK and the US – are already gathering this information and reporting it under different UN mechanisms. All States should now do it uniformly under the ATT.

Dozens of governments also agree that the arms trade cannot continue to operate in the dark. Norway rightly said today, “Reporting cannot be a matter of convenience.” Norway and other countries should do their best to influence the others not to dilute the transparency mechanisms in the ATT which will allow public and legislative scrutiny of arms transfers.

Since 1989 nearly 250,000 people have died every year as a result of armed conflict. Another 300,000 die outside of conflict annually. Despite this, the arms trade continues to operate in the shadows. Transparency will be a key pillar of a Treaty that will hopefully stop these irresponsible arms transfers and therefore bring down these deadly numbers.

Read more about Amnesty’s recommendations on the transparency mechanisms for the Arms Trade Treaty. Follow the negotiations at the UN this week on the Arms Trade Treaty by following @amnestyonline.

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34 thoughts on “Arms Transfers: States Love Secrets, But We Want the Facts

  1. We know about at least one country for sure constantly trying to illegally smuggle weapons into conflict zones into the hands of war criminals.
    http://www.cyprus-mail.com/president-christofias/

    "The munitions had come from the Monchegorsk, a Cypriot-flagged ship bound for Syria and originating from Iran, which was apprehended on January 20, 2009 in the Red Sea by US warships. Following an on-board search suspicious military material was reported and the ship was ordered to dock at the port of Evangelos Florakis naval base at Mari, Cyprus."

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  2. We know about at least one country for sure constantly trying to illegally smuggle weapons into conflict zones into the hands of war criminals.
    http://www.cyprus-mail.com/president-christofias/

    "The munitions had come from the Monchegorsk, a Cypriot-flagged ship bound for Syria and originating from Iran, which was apprehended on January 20, 2009 in the Red Sea by US warships. Following an on-board search suspicious military material was reported and the ship was ordered to dock at the port of Evangelos Florakis naval base at Mari, Cyprus."

    .

  3. We know about at least one country for sure constantly trying to illegally smuggle weapons into conflict zones into the hands of war criminals.
    http://www.cyprus-mail.com/president-christofias/

    "The munitions had come from the Monchegorsk, a Cypriot-flagged ship bound for Syria and originating from Iran, which was apprehended on January 20, 2009 in the Red Sea by US warships. Following an on-board search suspicious military material was reported and the ship was ordered to dock at the port of Evangelos Florakis naval base at Mari, Cyprus."

    .

  4. We know about at least one country for sure constantly trying to illegally smuggle weapons into conflict zones into the hands of war criminals.

    http://www.cyprus-mail.com/president-christofias/criminal-errors-navy-base-blast/20110712

    “The munitions had come from the Monchegorsk, a Cypriot-flagged ship bound for Syria and originating from Iran, which was apprehended on January 20, 2009 in the Red Sea by US warships. Following an on-board search suspicious military material was reported and the ship was ordered to dock at the port of Evangelos Florakis naval base at Mari, Cyprus.”

    .

  5. Why speak of peanuts ?

    A Cypriot ship ?

    Let's talk the really HEAVY stuff !!

    Let's talk NUCLEAR arms smuggling !!

    In 1975 Israel offered to sell nuclear – -armed Jericho missiles to apartheid South Africa.

    The issue here is crucial & relevant.

    For Israel refuses to sign the Nuclear Non – Proliferation Treaty.

    Saying she is a "RESPONSIBLE power" which WON'T misuse nuclear arms.

    Which arms she has.

    In an arsenal of over two hundred to three hundred nuclear warheads.

    Israel developed her first nuclear arms BY 1967, BEFORE the 6 – Day War.

    Britain & France helped her develop them.

    This is BIGTIME arms technology smuggling.

    By the BIg Powers.

    An arms tech smuggling that changed the balance of terror in the Middle East forever.

    Israel subsequently tries to actually smuggle nuclear arms to apartheid South Africa.

    The truth about this secret deal with South Africa came out … in hitherto secret, recently declassified documents.

    Published by Britain's " Guardian".

    As part of a new book, "The Unspoken Alliance", by American historian Sasha Polakow – Suransky .

    Israel fought hard to prevent the declassification of these documents.

    Then denied therm when they came out in the "Guardian".

    Including the document of the deal with the signatures of Shimon Peres & Botha on it.

    Despite his signature, Pers' office denied the Guardian's report.

    Pretoria ultimately couldn't afford the weapons .

    But later apartheid South Africa developed her own secret nuclear bomb.

    Almost certainly with Israel's help.

    Which definitely constitutes the smuggling of nuclear arms technology.

    To a country & region hitherto free of any.

  6. Dear Alaphia Zoyab,

    i'm always serious about your issues, but this one made me smile just a bit, not because you're not right, but because the most infantile things always come into my mind.

    In this case i keep thinking of a funny picture from childhood.

    It's a guy looks like Don Quixote, standing guard with a sword & shield & an intent look on his face.

    You see, his lunch is being regularly stolen, & he doesn't know who's doing it !

    He's fed up, & on guard …. determined the catch the thief.

    There he is, behind his large shield, looking grim & a bit like Jeremy Irons ….

    While behind him is a bunch of smart cats & dogs & crows, busily polishing off his grub on the floor.

    This guy, who's oblivious to the obvious, is us ….. & behind our backs are the real culprits, the LICIT, LICENSED world arms trade.

    Led, of course, by the biggest scoundrel of all.

    America.

  7. Why speak of peanuts ?

    A Cypriot ship ?

    Let’s talk the really HEAVY stuff !!

    Let’s talk NUCLEAR arms smuggling !!

    In 1975 Israel offered to sell nuclear – -armed Jericho missiles to apartheid South Africa.

    The issue here is crucial & relevant.

    For Israel refuses to sign the Nuclear Non – Proliferation Treaty.

    Saying she is a “RESPONSIBLE power” which WON’T misuse nuclear arms.

    Which arms she has.

    In an arsenal of over two hundred to three hundred nuclear warheads.

    Israel developed her first nuclear arms BY 1967, BEFORE the 6 – Day War.

    Britain & France helped her develop them.

    This is BIGTIME arms technology smuggling.

    By the BIg Powers.

    An arms tech smuggling that changed the balance of terror in the Middle East forever.

    Israel subsequently tries to actually smuggle nuclear arms to apartheid South Africa.

    The truth about this secret deal with South Africa came out … in hitherto secret, recently declassified documents.

    Published by Britain’s ” Guardian”.

    As part of a new book, “The Unspoken Alliance”, by American historian Sasha Polakow – Suransky .

    Israel fought hard to prevent the declassification of these documents.

    Then denied therm when they came out in the “Guardian”.

    Including the document of the deal with the signatures of Shimon Peres & Botha on it.

    Despite his signature, Pers’ office denied the Guardian’s report.

    Pretoria ultimately couldn’t afford the weapons .

    But later apartheid South Africa developed her own secret nuclear bomb.

    Almost certainly with Israel’s help.

    Which definitely constitutes the smuggling of nuclear arms technology.

    To a country & region hitherto free of any.

  8. Dear Alaphia Zoyab,

    i’m always serious about your issues, but this one made me smile just a bit, not because you’re not right, but because the most infantile things always come into my mind.

    In this case i keep thinking of a funny picture from childhood.

    It’s a guy looks like Don Quixote, standing guard with a sword & shield & an intent look on his face.

    You see, his lunch is being regularly stolen, & he doesn’t know who’s doing it !

    He’s fed up, & on guard …. determined the catch the thief.

    There he is, behind his large shield, looking grim & a bit like Jeremy Irons ….

    While behind him is a bunch of smart cats & dogs & crows, busily polishing off his grub on the floor.

    This guy, who’s oblivious to the obvious, is us ….. & behind our backs are the real culprits, the LICIT, LICENSED world arms trade.

    Led, of course, by the biggest scoundrel of all.

    America.

  9. Savage:
    Spreading discredited lunatic fringe conspiracy theories from the 1970's is really off topic and out of bounds under the rules of this blog.

    May I suggest that next time you try to limit your comments to the subject of the article you are actually supposed to be commenting on, instead of your poorly researched phantasmagoria from the last century.

    =========================================================
    source : New York Times
    Mandela Visits Israel With Praise
    Published: October 20, 1999

    As Nelson Mandela concluded his first visit to Israel today, he took pains to praise ''my friends'' — Prime Minister Ehud Barak and President Ezer Weisman — for their regional peacemaking efforts and the ''warmth'' of their reception.

    The 81-year-old South African leader called Mr. Barak ''a man of vision''. And Mr. Mandela made it clear that he understands Israel's need ''for Arab recognition of its existence within secure boundaries.'' Without such recognition a regional armistice would be ''foolhardy,'' he said.

    =========================================================

  10. Savage:
    Spreading discredited lunatic fringe conspiracy theories from the 1970′s is really off topic and out of bounds under the rules of this blog.

    May I suggest that next time you try to limit your comments to the subject of the article you are actually supposed to be commenting on, instead of your poorly researched phantasmagoria from the last century.

    =========================================================
    source : New York Times
    Mandela Visits Israel With Praise
    Published: October 20, 1999

    As Nelson Mandela concluded his first visit to Israel today, he took pains to praise ”my friends” — Prime Minister Ehud Barak and President Ezer Weisman — for their regional peacemaking efforts and the ”warmth” of their reception.

    The 81-year-old South African leader called Mr. Barak ”a man of vision”. And Mr. Mandela made it clear that he understands Israel’s need ”for Arab recognition of its existence within secure boundaries.” Without such recognition a regional armistice would be ”foolhardy,” he said.

    =========================================================

  11. Have to smile.

    Damning this report & newstory as "discredited lunatic fringe theory" … that a response ??

    That qualifies as Judonimh's idea of moral resposibility as a writer in a public forum ??

    So Israel's idea of the "lunatic fringe" now also includes Britain's "Guardian" as well ??

    "Discredited theory" ? .. "Discredited" by whom or what, pray ?

    By israel TRYING ITS UTMOST to block the documents' declassification ??

    & then flatly denying their authenticity ??

    & since when does hard news qualify as "theory" ?

    & calling this a report "from the last century" … when the story of the documents' declassification & publication in the "Guardian" , & their inclusion in the forthcoming book "The Unspoken Alliance" by the historian Polakow – Suransky, all appeared last YEAR, 2010 ?

    & the issue of Israel's SILENCE about its 200 – 300 warhead nuclear arsenal, which constitutes an incredible denial of truth of such mindboggling magnitude, is ONGOING, CONTINUING RIGHT NOW , & Israel's irresponsibility as a nuclear power holder is underscored by this very newsreport ?

    Dogged denial, with a dash of derision .. a sagacious strategy indeed.

    Meanwhile the documents & the whole story are all coming out in the book.

    Let it pour down.

  12. & all we have as rebuttal to the report are … Mandela's words to his hosts during his visit ???

    What have they to do with anything ??

    They're the same empty drivel politicians spout .

    & even those words of Mandela's don't refute anything !!

    They're just polite & empty air.

  13. Dear Alaphia Zoyab,

    Without the legal arms trade, there is no illicit arms trade.

    i know you know this.

    The legal regional arms races are the cause & often the source of the illegal arms trade.

    i am opposed to this distinction between legal & illegal weapons trade.

    It serves no purpose, & is redundant.

    Legal arms deliveries reap the REAL tolls of war worldwide.

    If America didn't give over three billion dollars in military aid to Israel every year, we wouldn't have the genocide of the Palestinians for so long & continuing.

    If America didn't give Apache attack helicopters & their spare parts to Israel, we wouldn't have the death from the air that rains down on the Palestinian People.

    Israel herself is one of the world's top conflict weapons suppliers.

    The "Dirty Dozen" as they are called.

    This should be our actual goal.

    Abolish the arms trade itself.

  14. The states — & not just the United — will throw a fit.

    A qualificatory thing to a limited arms trade will be to put it under the aegis of a global body …. & allow transactions permitted by the proportionality of observable threats in every given context.

  15. This will be a starting point for doing away with the gross imbalances of terror obtaining throughout the globe.

    From there the abolitionist movement can work its way down.

    Or, most likely, up.

  16. The above, a vertical approach to the problem of national sovereignty, should be balanced by a horizontal approach of rights — rights natural & ecological primarily, & present human generations last.

    This approach would watch & meet the needs of the Earth & all her children, nonhuman & otherwise, in every context.

    & balance them with the needs of the defense of sovereignty.

    2 approaches, meeting at the Center of the Circle.

  17. source: Al Jazeera
    09 Jun 2011

    IAEA reports Syria to UN Security Council

    The UN atomic watchdog has voted to report Syria to the UN Security Council, stating it was building an undeclared nuclear reactor that was then destroyed by Israeli bombs, diplomats have said.

    Russia and China were among those who voted no.

    In a key report IAEA Director-General Yukiya Amano said Syria should have declared the Dair Alzour site, which was destroyed by Israeli warplanes in 2007.

    "Syria's nuclear intentions at Dair Alzour are clear; the reactor there was built for the express purpose of producing plutonium for possible use in nuclear weapons,"

    He went on to accuse Syria of "choosing to actively hinder the investigation by denying access, providing incomplete and misleading information, sanitising multiple locations, and refusing to respond substantively to the agency's requests for further information and access".

    The Russians have called the referral UN Security Council "untimely" in a statement to the IAEA board.

  18. Have to smile.

    Damning this report & newstory as “discredited lunatic fringe theory” … that a response ??

    That qualifies as Judonimh’s idea of moral resposibility as a writer in a public forum ??

    So Israel’s idea of the “lunatic fringe” now also includes Britain’s “Guardian” as well ??

    “Discredited theory” ? .. “Discredited” by whom or what, pray ?

    By israel TRYING ITS UTMOST to block the documents’ declassification ??

    & then flatly denying their authenticity ??

    & since when does hard news qualify as “theory” ?

    & calling this a report “from the last century” … when the story of the documents’ declassification & publication in the “Guardian” , & their inclusion in the forthcoming book “The Unspoken Alliance” by the historian Polakow – Suransky, all appeared last YEAR, 2010 ?

    & the issue of Israel’s SILENCE about its 200 – 300 warhead nuclear arsenal, which constitutes an incredible denial of truth of such mindboggling magnitude, is ONGOING, CONTINUING RIGHT NOW , & Israel’s irresponsibility as a nuclear power holder is underscored by this very newsreport ?

    Dogged denial, with a dash of derision .. a sagacious strategy indeed.

    Meanwhile the documents & the whole story are all coming out in the book.

    Let it pour down.

  19. & all we have as rebuttal to the report are … Mandela’s words to his hosts during his visit ???

    What have they to do with anything ??

    They’re the same empty drivel politicians spout .

    & even those words of Mandela’s don’t refute anything !!

    They’re just polite & empty air.

  20. Dear Alaphia Zoyab,

    Without the legal arms trade, there is no illicit arms trade.

    i know you know this.

    The legal regional arms races are the cause & often the source of the illegal arms trade.

    i am opposed to this distinction between legal & illegal weapons trade.

    It serves no purpose, & is redundant.

    Legal arms deliveries reap the REAL tolls of war worldwide.

    If America didn’t give over three billion dollars in military aid to Israel every year, we wouldn’t have the genocide of the Palestinians for so long & continuing.

    If America didn’t give Apache attack helicopters & their spare parts to Israel, we wouldn’t have the death from the air that rains down on the Palestinian People.

    Israel herself is one of the world’s top conflict weapons suppliers.

    The “Dirty Dozen” as they are called.

    This should be our actual goal.

    Abolish the arms trade itself.

  21. The states — & not just the United — will throw a fit.

    A qualificatory thing to a limited arms trade will be to put it under the aegis of a global body …. & allow transactions permitted by the proportionality of observable threats in every given context.

  22. This will be a starting point for doing away with the gross imbalances of terror obtaining throughout the globe.

    From there the abolitionist movement can work its way down.

    Or, most likely, up.

  23. The above, a vertical approach to the problem of national sovereignty, should be balanced by a horizontal approach of rights — rights natural & ecological primarily, & present human generations last.

    This approach would watch & meet the needs of the Earth & all her children, nonhuman & otherwise, in every context.

    & balance them with the needs of the defense of sovereignty.

    2 approaches, meeting at the Center of the Circle.

  24. source: Al Jazeera
    09 Jun 2011

    IAEA reports Syria to UN Security Council

    The UN atomic watchdog has voted to report Syria to the UN Security Council, stating it was building an undeclared nuclear reactor that was then destroyed by Israeli bombs, diplomats have said.

    Russia and China were among those who voted no.

    In a key report IAEA Director-General Yukiya Amano said Syria should have declared the Dair Alzour site, which was destroyed by Israeli warplanes in 2007.

    “Syria’s nuclear intentions at Dair Alzour are clear; the reactor there was built for the express purpose of producing plutonium for possible use in nuclear weapons,”

    He went on to accuse Syria of “choosing to actively hinder the investigation by denying access, providing incomplete and misleading information, sanitising multiple locations, and refusing to respond substantively to the agency’s requests for further information and access”.

    The Russians have called the referral UN Security Council “untimely” in a statement to the IAEA board.

  25. Syria's nuclear "INTENTIONS" ???

    We're talking Israel's NUCLEAR REALITIES !!!!!

    We're talking Israel's ARSENALOF TWO HUNDRED TO THREE HUNDRED NUCLEAR WARHEADS !!

    We're demanding the IAEA deal with THAT !!!!!!!!!!

    IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!!!

    IMMEDIATE NUCLEAR TRANSPARENCY BY ISRAEL FIRST & FOREMOST !!!

    DISMANTLE ISRAELS'S SECRET ARSENAL TO MAKE THE MIDDLE EAST A NUKEFREE ZONE !!!!!!

    OUT THE REAL NUKES NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

  26. You are arguing strongly in favor of the return of conventional war with cities on both sides being fire bombed and civilians bearing the brunt of the casualties like for example the Iran Iraq War of the 1980's in which over 1 million civilians were butchered by both sides by those lunatics.

    You prefer frequent outbreaks of this kind of unrestricted conventional warfare, because you feel the regular bloodletting of millions of civilians by conventional means would be more humane than Israel's simply maintaining that it is not saying yes not saying no re its supposed possession of nuclear weapons, a policy of ambiguity that Israel has successfully deployed to guarantee many decades now without a major war and without mass civilian casualties on either side.

  27. Syria’s nuclear “INTENTIONS” ???

    We’re talking Israel’s NUCLEAR REALITIES !!!!!

    We’re talking Israel’s ARSENALOF TWO HUNDRED TO THREE HUNDRED NUCLEAR WARHEADS !!

    We’re demanding the IAEA deal with THAT !!!!!!!!!!

    IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!!!

    IMMEDIATE NUCLEAR TRANSPARENCY BY ISRAEL FIRST & FOREMOST !!!

    DISMANTLE ISRAELS’S SECRET ARSENAL TO MAKE THE MIDDLE EAST A NUKEFREE ZONE !!!!!!

    OUT THE REAL NUKES NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

  28. You are arguing strongly in favor of the return of conventional war with cities on both sides being fire bombed and civilians bearing the brunt of the casualties like for example the Iran Iraq War of the 1980′s in which over 1 million civilians were butchered by both sides by those lunatics.

    You prefer frequent outbreaks of this kind of unrestricted conventional warfare, because you feel the regular bloodletting of millions of civilians by conventional means would be more humane than Israel’s simply maintaining that it is not saying yes not saying no re its supposed possession of nuclear weapons, a policy of ambiguity that Israel has successfully deployed to guarantee many decades now without a major war and without mass civilian casualties on either side.

  29. WHAT ???

    When i call for a nuclearfree Middle East , this means i am arguing for "conventional war" in Judonimh's book ????

    What book IS that ?? The Bible ? The Torah ?? The Mossad's Guidebook ?

    Who is even speaking of war here AT ALL, let alone a "conventional" one ???

    Judonimh can demand the IAEA deal with non – nuclear Syria, but if one makes the same demand for the Middle East's ONLY nuclear power, Israel, that means in Judonimh's book that one is prefering "frequent outbreaks of … unrestricted conventional warfare" ???

    Are we talking with a sane person, or am i LOWERING MYSELF BY EVEN COMMENTING ON THIS RUBBISH ???

    So if one calls for nuclear transparency on Israel's part, it now means, according to Judonimh's logic, that one now believes that "the … bloodletting of millions" is "more humane" than Israel's refusal to declare its nuclear status ???

    & Israel's refusal to declare openly its nuclear arsenal of 200 – 300 warheads is a "successful" "guarantee" for peace & against mass slaughter, according to Judonimh ??

    Which major war or slaughter was prevented, pray, by Israel's refusal to follow the only NORMAL & LEGAL INTERNATIONAL MODE of being a nuclear power by declaring such status & joining the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty ?

    Or was Israel's refusal to join the Treaty the ONLY way to grow its arsenal without any supervision in a region hitherto nuclear free ??

    & why does Judonimh says "supposed" about Israel's nuclear arms ??

    Does he still stick to the official lie ?

    Who is he fooling ?

    Does Israel consider herself ABOVE & BEYOND ALL INTERNATIONAL LAWS & LEGAL ORGANIZATIONS, TREATIES, MODES & BINDINGS ????

    Even as she call for war on countries which are parties to the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty ????

  30. WHAT ???

    When i call for a nuclearfree Middle East , this means i am arguing for “conventional war” in Judonimh’s book ????

    What book IS that ?? The Bible ? The Torah ?? The Mossad’s Guidebook ?

    Who is even speaking of war here AT ALL, let alone a “conventional” one ???

    Judonimh can demand the IAEA deal with non – nuclear Syria, but if one makes the same demand for the Middle East’s ONLY nuclear power, Israel, that means in Judonimh’s book that one is prefering “frequent outbreaks of … unrestricted conventional warfare” ???

    Are we talking with a sane person, or am i LOWERING MYSELF BY EVEN COMMENTING ON THIS RUBBISH ???

    So if one calls for nuclear transparency on Israel’s part, it now means, according to Judonimh’s logic, that one now believes that “the … bloodletting of millions” is “more humane” than Israel’s refusal to declare its nuclear status ???

    & Israel’s refusal to declare openly its nuclear arsenal of 200 – 300 warheads is a “successful” “guarantee” for peace & against mass slaughter, according to Judonimh ??

    Which major war or slaughter was prevented, pray, by Israel’s refusal to follow the only NORMAL & LEGAL INTERNATIONAL MODE of being a nuclear power by declaring such status & joining the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty ?

    Or was Israel’s refusal to join the Treaty the ONLY way to grow its arsenal without any supervision in a region hitherto nuclear free ??

    & why does Judonimh says “supposed” about Israel’s nuclear arms ??

    Does he still stick to the official lie ?

    Who is he fooling ?

    Does Israel consider herself ABOVE & BEYOND ALL INTERNATIONAL LAWS & LEGAL ORGANIZATIONS, TREATIES, MODES & BINDINGS ????

    Even as she call for war on countries which are parties to the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty ????

  31. By the way everything you said about Israel you mean even more so against Pakistan right ?

    Because Pakistan is a worse offender in accusation you made against Israel.

    Pakistan has refused to sign the Nuclear Non -Proliferation treaty too.
    But Pakistan doesn't just refuse to confirm or deny having nuclear weapons like Israel does, Pakistan actually boasts of having theses bombs and conducts repeated underground tests to prove they have these weapons to threaten the world with, something Israel has never done once.

    I am waiting for you to make a call on Pakistan to unilaterally nuclear disarm itself and so leave itself militarily defenseless in front of vastly more powerful and much larger surrounding enemies just exactly like you are demanding Israel do.

  32. By the way everything you said about Israel you mean even more so against Pakistan right ?

    Because Pakistan is a worse offender in accusation you made against Israel.

    Pakistan has refused to sign the Nuclear Non -Proliferation treaty too.
    But Pakistan doesn’t just refuse to confirm or deny having nuclear weapons like Israel does, Pakistan actually boasts of having theses bombs and conducts repeated underground tests to prove they have these weapons to threaten the world with, something Israel has never done once.

    I am waiting for you to make a call on Pakistan to unilaterally nuclear disarm itself and so leave itself militarily defenseless in front of vastly more powerful and much larger surrounding enemies just exactly like you are demanding Israel do.