Protests Against Indian Rule in Kashmir - copyright Majid Pandit, used by permission
WHEN: Thursday, October 14, 10am – 11am Eastern US Time (19:30 in India/Kashmir)
WHERE: Follow Govind on Twitter @acharya_dude
HOW: Submit questions on Twitter any time from now through October 14 using hashtag #AskAI (adding @acharya_dude is helpful but not necessary). See below for other ways of getting in touch. Example: Is there a consensus in the Indian political spectrum about what’s happening in Kashmir? #askai
Kashmir has been convulsed by violent clashes between protesters and security forces. The current violence has left over 100 people dead and has raised concerns over the widespread human rights violations committed by Indian security forces in their efforts to tamp down the violence. The litany of abuses are long—heavy restrictions on Kashmiri media, heavy-handed curfews and outright killings of protesters. Worst of all, most of these human rights violations can occur with complete impunity because of the imposition of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) in parts of Kashmir.
With India in the spotlight over 2010 Commonwealth Games and the violence not garnering the same attention in the media, it’s even more important for us to highlight the human rights concerns in Kashmir and to urge the Indian government and the Jammu and Kashmir state government to take immediate steps to prosecute security forces. India is also supposedly one of the new great powers taking over from US hegemony; therefore, it’s more important than ever to publicize human rights violations in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.
On Thursday, October 14 from 10am – 11am eastern US time, I’ll be holding a live chat over twitter from my twitter handle @acharya_dude (feel free to follow with your twitter account). It’s a way to get a new audience engaged on human rights in Kashmir. It doesn’t mean that you actually have to have a twitter account to see the questions and answers (but you do need one to ask a question on twitter)– just type in twitter.com/acharya_dude. The easiest way to get me a question is to include the following in a twitter message: @acharya_dude #askai.
You can ask me a question in the comments of this blog, you can email them to me at [email protected] and you could probably ask them on Facebook as well if you like the Amnesty USA page and if this post appears on the Facebook page. I’ll monitor those places and post them to twitter as I get questions. I’ll then respond to them between 10am and 11am eastern US time this Thursday, October 14. I will then post the twitter transcript to this blog afterwards! Let me know in the comments if you have any questions.
Update: Read a transcript of this chat here.
Maybe the Commonwealth Games were meant to distract from this violence?
This kashmiri movement is nothing but a movement orchestrated by Islami fascists from kashmir and their counterparts in pakistan.
pls donot exaggerate the situation…..the kashmiris are known for their complaints and whining..they are given more privileges than any other state in india by the govt of india..
We have declaed that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given, and the Maharaja has supported it not only to the people of Kashmir but the world. We will not, and cannot back out of it. We are prepared when peace and law and order have been established to have a referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations. We want it to be a fair and just Reference to the people, and we shall accept their verdict. I can imagine no fairer and juster offer."
(On 2nd November, 1947, broadcast to the nation over All India Radio, Pandit Nehru, PM of India)
I completely disagree with Kiran. Nothing has been done well so far in Kashmir accept deployment of more and more security forces. I live with the people of Kashmir and Muslims mostly have paid the price every time but the betrayers who fled have got all luxuries and benefits. Fight of Kashmir is not about any religion, which is mostly debated by fanatics who want to divide and dilute the demography on the lines of communalism. It is about the land, its occupation and human rights violation, which are going on from last 63 years.
I have been to almost every nook and corner of India where majority of the people are living below the line of poverty but Kashmir, it is altogether a different story; people are calm, wealthy, hospitable, generous, and educated.
There are continuous attempts to push these people against the wall and that bursts out with the huge slogan of FREEDOM.
Politics has always betrayed the public and occupation justifies it in the international community in a different way and follows all brute methods to curb the voice of people.
Maybe the Commonwealth Games were meant to distract from this violence?
This kashmiri movement is nothing but a movement orchestrated by Islami fascists from kashmir and their counterparts in pakistan.
pls donot exaggerate the situation…..the kashmiris are known for their complaints and whining..they are given more privileges than any other state in india by the govt of india..
We have declaed that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given, and the Maharaja has supported it not only to the people of Kashmir but the world. We will not, and cannot back out of it. We are prepared when peace and law and order have been established to have a referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations. We want it to be a fair and just Reference to the people, and we shall accept their verdict. I can imagine no fairer and juster offer.”
(On 2nd November, 1947, broadcast to the nation over All India Radio, Pandit Nehru, PM of India)
Kashmiri's will get freedom from tyrant today or tomorrow. Because India has alwayz shown its tyrant face to the people of valley. 4 months of unrest, 111 people killed, not a single punishment announced against the culprits. but instead PSA( public safety act, a draconian law ) has been slapped to 100's of people protesting against these killings. Is this so called Democratic country really democratic ?
I completely disagree with Kiran. Nothing has been done well so far in Kashmir accept deployment of more and more security forces. I live with the people of Kashmir and Muslims mostly have paid the price every time but the betrayers who fled have got all luxuries and benefits. Fight of Kashmir is not about any religion, which is mostly debated by fanatics who want to divide and dilute the demography on the lines of communalism. It is about the land, its occupation and human rights violation, which are going on from last 63 years.
I have been to almost every nook and corner of India where majority of the people are living below the line of poverty but Kashmir, it is altogether a different story; people are calm, wealthy, hospitable, generous, and educated.
There are continuous attempts to push these people against the wall and that bursts out with the huge slogan of FREEDOM.
Politics has always betrayed the public and occupation justifies it in the international community in a different way and follows all brute methods to curb the voice of people.
Kashmir has never been a part of india, and will never become…
India has to remove its occupational forces from Kashmir.
India shouldnt be hosting 2010 CWG.
The 'Commonwealth' has no standing whatsoever. Now India and CW wants to handover 2018 CWG to Sri Lanka for tyrannical rule and war crimes.
India is peak at Human Rights violation in Kashmir and using brutal force to suppress people. Armed forces fire at Protestors directy above chest and many a times fired without any provocation. Sometimes they fire on people who were not part of any protest . Whenever there is any peaceful procession in any area. The Armed forces came and broke window glasses of Houses and also but Electricity supply and also water supply. most of times they enter houses and beat inmates including aged and women and children.
The kashmir is one of the biggest concentration camps in the world where all kinds of atrocities are happening which include murder, molestation, arrest, ransom, fake encounter and all kind of inhuman activities and that is done by the army or police of the greatest democracy of world INDIA. Since last 4months more than 110 common people have killed which were mostly less than 20yrs of age and about 2500 have been injured many of them crippled, blind or having lost their vital organs. There only fault was that they were asking freedom from india and right for self determination which is our right as per history. So i urge the world leaders to study our problem and then come to a long last solution which would be according to the aspiration of common kashmiri.
We all kashmiri only want freedom. Indian biased media. Indian oppression will not be tolerated in kashmir. We want freedom
Why is not the international community intervening in the Kashmir Dispute. The Indian mantra of 'integral' part is baseless when we all know how terribly people are being massacred there. Over 1 lakh people have died since last 20 years and over 100 in last couple of months. Thousands have been made prisoners, thousands are missing! Isn't it high time for organizations Like Amnesty to play a role and UN to intervene and USA to build pressure on India and Pak to resolve it keep the aspirations of people in mind. And what other best way do we have to do it other than implementing the UN resolutions. Let KAshmiris decide their future in a democratic spirit. Let Plebiscite (under UN or any other reliable agency)decide…
enogh s enough.. indian did wrong that he worked with AFSPA in kashmir coz their military used it wrong way. and no1 is botherd about the killing of innocent people in kashmir. if this would have happn in any part of indian,the media would hv left CWG there nly and went fr tht coverage. tym hs come nw to change, we r nt gonna bear al this any more, if u dnt belive i vl gv u an example of innocent killing it s almost 1 year bk he ws frm my area,namely RASHID-a teacher( google it u vl history). same u vl find hundreds of stories. Now nly thing left s JUSTICE… FREEDOM.
i m from a village where recently CRPF has beaten women by entering into houses. How indians will justify beating helpless folk as countering terrorism. Thousands of Kashmiris are in jails who have not done any crime. we can't let thousands of innocent killing to go as it. we want freedom.we beg muslim world to support our cause
Kashmiri’s will get freedom from tyrant today or tomorrow. Because India has alwayz shown its tyrant face to the people of valley. 4 months of unrest, 111 people killed, not a single punishment announced against the culprits. but instead PSA( public safety act, a draconian law ) has been slapped to 100’s of people protesting against these killings. Is this so called Democratic country really democratic ?
Insanity , Albert Einstein is supposed to have said, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Apply that to Kashmir, and one doesn’t need to be an Einstein to figure out that he had got the equation right, again.
Indeed, Kashmir has reverted to an older form of political expression. Stone-throwing or kani jung (stone war), has historically been a feature of Kashmir’s political battles.
That, if once, pelting stones and bricks were used in fights between different political factions within Kashmir, it now is emerging as the most violent way of showing resistance and dissent.
So, just who are these stonethrowers ? Just why are youngsters again and again coming out to pelt stones, even when they know they might be thrashed, detained or plain killed (as someone said, employing some Kashmiri black humour, the ages of those killed in the last few months, 17, 16, 14…9, read like the scores of a batsman in really bad form)?
The first thing to understand is that this is a generation that has seen and knows nothing else but violence. In a place steeped in political violence and brutal force, they are also a generation perhaps more politicised than those before.
And that is why they also represent, though it may come as a surprise, both an awareness of the failure of the separatist leadership as well as the apparent lack of need to have any leaders in order to protest.
Remember, it isn’t just the government that thinks them dangerous, many among the separatist leaders do too. And some have called them everything from miscreants to drug addicts to being Indian agents. But as part of wider Kashmiri society, they are one manifestation of the rage of having suffered incredible violence, of living lives of daily humiliation.
As part of Kashmiri society , they are aware of the doublespeak, the dissembling that is part of the official version of each killing, each act of violence. And they are part, most immediately visible right now, of the dissent against, the political response to, that violence.
Using absurd phrases like agitational terrorism or nonviolent terrorism or perpetually seeking to link protests over killings to Pakistan or Islamist groups only widens the rupture between what should be done and what is.
The stone throwers are a reminder that there is no way out except engaging with that dissent in Kashmir. That without such an engagement, by only using force again and again, Kashmir will, to borrow the words of the Russian poet Arseny Tarkovsky , stay a place where destiny seems to shadow events like a madman with a razor in his hand.
As a Kashmiri, who has lived in multiple countries, I can say that India is one of the most open and free society–like we all are. People like Geelani are misleading our youth to satisfy their own agenda of joining Pakistan. We must fight the oppressive army and corrupt politicians but as rights of us as Indian citizens and not by dancing to the tunes of a new set of politicians. Our future lies with India and we must fight for our rights and not run away
When UN will open its eyes towards the atrocities caused pain n agony inflicted over innocent people of Jammu n Kashmir by Indian occupied forces .Is anybody sane there to react humanely to the calls of helpless people
How many more they want to be brutally killed before their consince may wake up
isnt it enough
120000 killings
14700 rape cases
9000 custodeal killings
43000 prisoners
5500 disappearences
property damaged worth 50000000000$
Please Act now UN to make urself credible again
Kashmir has never been a part of india, and will never become…
India has to remove its occupational forces from Kashmir.
India shouldnt be hosting 2010 CWG.
The ‘Commonwealth’ has no standing whatsoever. Now India and CW wants to handover 2018 CWG to Sri Lanka for tyrannical rule and war crimes.
India is peak at Human Rights violation in Kashmir and using brutal force to suppress people. Armed forces fire at Protestors directy above chest and many a times fired without any provocation. Sometimes they fire on people who were not part of any protest . Whenever there is any peaceful procession in any area. The Armed forces came and broke window glasses of Houses and also but Electricity supply and also water supply. most of times they enter houses and beat inmates including aged and women and children.
The kashmir is one of the biggest concentration camps in the world where all kinds of atrocities are happening which include murder, molestation, arrest, ransom, fake encounter and all kind of inhuman activities and that is done by the army or police of the greatest democracy of world INDIA. Since last 4months more than 110 common people have killed which were mostly less than 20yrs of age and about 2500 have been injured many of them crippled, blind or having lost their vital organs. There only fault was that they were asking freedom from india and right for self determination which is our right as per history. So i urge the world leaders to study our problem and then come to a long last solution which would be according to the aspiration of common kashmiri.
We all kashmiri only want freedom. Indian biased media. Indian oppression will not be tolerated in kashmir. We want freedom
Why is not the international community intervening in the Kashmir Dispute. The Indian mantra of ‘integral’ part is baseless when we all know how terribly people are being massacred there. Over 1 lakh people have died since last 20 years and over 100 in last couple of months. Thousands have been made prisoners, thousands are missing! Isn’t it high time for organizations Like Amnesty to play a role and UN to intervene and USA to build pressure on India and Pak to resolve it keep the aspirations of people in mind. And what other best way do we have to do it other than implementing the UN resolutions. Let KAshmiris decide their future in a democratic spirit. Let Plebiscite (under UN or any other reliable agency)decide…
enogh s enough.. indian did wrong that he worked with AFSPA in kashmir coz their military used it wrong way. and no1 is botherd about the killing of innocent people in kashmir. if this would have happn in any part of indian,the media would hv left CWG there nly and went fr tht coverage. tym hs come nw to change, we r nt gonna bear al this any more, if u dnt belive i vl gv u an example of innocent killing it s almost 1 year bk he ws frm my area,namely RASHID-a teacher( google it u vl history). same u vl find hundreds of stories. Now nly thing left s JUSTICE… FREEDOM.
i m from a village where recently CRPF has beaten women by entering into houses. How indians will justify beating helpless folk as countering terrorism. Thousands of Kashmiris are in jails who have not done any crime. we can’t let thousands of innocent killing to go as it. we want freedom.we beg muslim world to support our cause
Insanity , Albert Einstein is supposed to have said, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Apply that to Kashmir, and one doesn’t need to be an Einstein to figure out that he had got the equation right, again.
Indeed, Kashmir has reverted to an older form of political expression. Stone-throwing or kani jung (stone war), has historically been a feature of Kashmir’s political battles.
That, if once, pelting stones and bricks were used in fights between different political factions within Kashmir, it now is emerging as the most violent way of showing resistance and dissent.
So, just who are these stonethrowers ? Just why are youngsters again and again coming out to pelt stones, even when they know they might be thrashed, detained or plain killed (as someone said, employing some Kashmiri black humour, the ages of those killed in the last few months, 17, 16, 14…9, read like the scores of a batsman in really bad form)?
The first thing to understand is that this is a generation that has seen and knows nothing else but violence. In a place steeped in political violence and brutal force, they are also a generation perhaps more politicised than those before.
And that is why they also represent, though it may come as a surprise, both an awareness of the failure of the separatist leadership as well as the apparent lack of need to have any leaders in order to protest.
Remember, it isn’t just the government that thinks them dangerous, many among the separatist leaders do too. And some have called them everything from miscreants to drug addicts to being Indian agents. But as part of wider Kashmiri society, they are one manifestation of the rage of having suffered incredible violence, of living lives of daily humiliation.
As part of Kashmiri society , they are aware of the doublespeak, the dissembling that is part of the official version of each killing, each act of violence. And they are part, most immediately visible right now, of the dissent against, the political response to, that violence.
Using absurd phrases like agitational terrorism or nonviolent terrorism or perpetually seeking to link protests over killings to Pakistan or Islamist groups only widens the rupture between what should be done and what is.
The stone throwers are a reminder that there is no way out except engaging with that dissent in Kashmir. That without such an engagement, by only using force again and again, Kashmir will, to borrow the words of the Russian poet Arseny Tarkovsky , stay a place where destiny seems to shadow events like a madman with a razor in his hand.
As a Kashmiri, who has lived in multiple countries, I can say that India is one of the most open and free society–like we all are. People like Geelani are misleading our youth to satisfy their own agenda of joining Pakistan. We must fight the oppressive army and corrupt politicians but as rights of us as Indian citizens and not by dancing to the tunes of a new set of politicians. Our future lies with India and we must fight for our rights and not run away
When UN will open its eyes towards the atrocities caused pain n agony inflicted over innocent people of Jammu n Kashmir by Indian occupied forces .Is anybody sane there to react humanely to the calls of helpless people
How many more they want to be brutally killed before their consince may wake up
isnt it enough
120000 killings
14700 rape cases
9000 custodeal killings
43000 prisoners
5500 disappearences
property damaged worth 50000000000$
Please Act now UN to make urself credible again
i would like to comment back on what Sajad has said. First of all who the hell are you to decide about the future of Kashmir and please stop interfering in kashmir unless you know the ground and exact situation. Sajad you have mentioned kashmiris as indian citizens which we are not, how many times we have to remind people like you that kashmir is not an integral part of india it is a disputed territory. I would like to remind u and rebut all ur statements by saying that Kashmir is now not at a position where you would blame leaders like Geelani sahab. It is not abt geelani it is abt kashmir. It is not geelani who is leading d people, it is people who are leading geelani.
i support the kashmiri ,,daily torture and human rights abuses are common..
indian forces put ban on media showing the attrocities in kashmir in past two decades ….
no of killings by forces in past two decades 150000..
no of women childrens killed by indian forces are 45000
torture and rapes in kashmir by indian forces are 26000
no of disappearances are 18000
political prisoners and protesting childrens in different jails 36000
http://www.greaterkashmir.com…daily press of kashmir
i support the kashmiri ,,daily torture and human rights abuses are common..
indian forces put ban on media showing the attrocities in kashmir in past two decades ….
no of killings by forces in past two decades 150000..
no of women childrens killed by indian forces are 45000
torture and rapes in kashmir by indian forces are 26000
no of disappearances are 18000
political prisoners and protesting childrens in different jails 36000
http://www.greaterkashmir.com…daily press of kashmir
i support the kashmiri ,,daily torture and human rights abuses are common..
indian forces put ban on media showing the attrocities in kashmir in past two decades ….
no of killings by forces in past two decades 150000..
no of women childrens killed by indian forces are 45000
torture and rapes in kashmir by indian forces are 26000
no of disappearances are 18000
political prisoners and protesting childrens in different jails 36000
http://www.greaterkashmir.com…daily press of kashmir
we in Kashmir want freedom. concept of India is dead in Kashmir. we may be slaves at present but our minds are free from India,s brutal occupation. how can a country with a blood of one hundred thousand innocent civilians preach us democracy.
I am a total outsider – But, I feel that both you guys need to learn to co-exist. You need to look and think far beyond petty issues and try to reconcile – Retaliation in form of arms struggle is not the solution…
i would like to comment back on what Sajad has said. First of all who the hell are you to decide about the future of Kashmir and please stop interfering in kashmir unless you know the ground and exact situation. Sajad you have mentioned kashmiris as indian citizens which we are not, how many times we have to remind people like you that kashmir is not an integral part of india it is a disputed territory. I would like to remind u and rebut all ur statements by saying that Kashmir is now not at a position where you would blame leaders like Geelani sahab. It is not abt geelani it is abt kashmir. It is not geelani who is leading d people, it is people who are leading geelani.
i support the kashmiri ,,daily torture and human rights abuses are common..
indian forces put ban on media showing the attrocities in kashmir in past two decades ….
no of killings by forces in past two decades 150000..
no of women childrens killed by indian forces are 45000
torture and rapes in kashmir by indian forces are 26000
no of disappearances are 18000
political prisoners and protesting childrens in different jails 36000
http://www.greaterkashmir.com…daily press of kashmir
I belong to Jammu and I know the reality better then outsider.No one is dominating muslims and no one is torturing you. The presence situation is the result of your activities. You killed innocent Kashmiri Pandits and forced them to leave the valley. You spreaded terrorism in Kashmir. You are saying Government did nothing for you and Indian army is killing innocent people. One who spread terrorism is not at all innocent. Whole J and K sate is dominated by Muslims. Chief minister is muslim, most of the MPs and MLS in ruling party are Muslims. In every institutes you are dominating Hindus not only in Kashmir but also in Jammu. Central Government spent miliions and million for your betterment. Your only aim is to spread Islam. Tum log namak haram ho saale Delhi main baith ke India walo ko facebook pe gali dete ho aur phir kahte ho hum log pe atyachar ho raha hai. Bulshit.You people are real culprits.
we in Kashmir want freedom. concept of India is dead in Kashmir. we may be slaves at present but our minds are free from India,s brutal occupation. how can a country with a blood of one hundred thousand innocent civilians preach us democracy.
I am a total outsider – But, I feel that both you guys need to learn to co-exist. You need to look and think far beyond petty issues and try to reconcile – Retaliation in form of arms struggle is not the solution…
I belong to Jammu and I know the reality better then outsider.No one is dominating muslims and no one is torturing you. The presence situation is the result of your activities. You killed innocent Kashmiri Pandits and forced them to leave the valley. You spreaded terrorism in Kashmir. You are saying Government did nothing for you and Indian army is killing innocent people. One who spread terrorism is not at all innocent. Whole J and K sate is dominated by Muslims. Chief minister is muslim, most of the MPs and MLS in ruling party are Muslims. In every institutes you are dominating Hindus not only in Kashmir but also in Jammu. Central Government spent miliions and million for your betterment. Your only aim is to spread Islam. Tum log namak haram ho saale Delhi main baith ke India walo ko facebook pe gali dete ho aur phir kahte ho hum log pe atyachar ho raha hai. Bulshit.You people are real culprits.
Go out, say you are Indian and see how the world treats you and say you are Pakistani and see how the world treats you. Do you think you can run an independent nation without India's support? Will the Pakistanis let you live? Be rational though I know the atrocities of forces has made us think with our hearts. Fight Indian government with all your might. But be practical.
Go out, say you are Indian and see how the world treats you and say you are Pakistani and see how the world treats you. Do you think you can run an independent nation without India’s support? Will the Pakistanis let you live? Be rational though I know the atrocities of forces has made us think with our hearts. Fight Indian government with all your might. But be practical.
Sajjad,
Yes, Kashmir CAN exist as an independent nation without india's support !
How ?
By the power of the People.
And the solidarity of the freedom loving peoples of the world.
Just as tiny Cuba has survived independently despite the relentless hostility of the world's sole superpower.
By the power of her people.And the solidarity of the freedom loving peoples of the world.
Will Pakistan let Kashmiris live in peace ?
If a Referendum supervised by the UN reveals the will of Kashmiris to be independent, a groundswell of support & sympathy will arise from the Pakistani people.
You say the Kashmiris have risen up against "the atrocities of forces".
WHICH forces ?
Why don't you say these are the indian armed forces ?
Who are you trying to defend ?
And why ?
If you speak, why don't you speak straight ?
Sajjad,
Yes, Kashmir CAN exist as an independent nation without india’s support !
How ?
By the power of the People.
And the solidarity of the freedom loving peoples of the world.
Just as tiny Cuba has survived independently despite the relentless hostility of the world’s sole superpower.
By the power of her people.And the solidarity of the freedom loving peoples of the world.
Will Pakistan let Kashmiris live in peace ?
If a Referendum supervised by the UN reveals the will of Kashmiris to be independent, a groundswell of support & sympathy will arise from the Pakistani people.
You say the Kashmiris have risen up against “the atrocities of forces”.
WHICH forces ?
Why don’t you say these are the indian armed forces ?
Who are you trying to defend ?
And why ?
If you speak, why don’t you speak straight ?
@munnabhai i think u should learn fist how to interact. don't use abusive language. facts speak more then abuses. i challenge all indians to prove accession of kashmir with india. don't repeat this pundit mantra again and again..209 pundiths were got killed and 1 lakh muslims. i think u r mad and think 200 is morethen 1lakh. go through history and see how cruel pudiths were. i don't want to say, but don't force me to open ur pandora box
@munnabhai i think u should learn fist how to interact. don’t use abusive language. facts speak more then abuses. i challenge all indians to prove accession of kashmir with india. don’t repeat this pundit mantra again and again..209 pundiths were got killed and 1 lakh muslims. i think u r mad and think 200 is morethen 1lakh. go through history and see how cruel pudiths were. i don’t want to say, but don’t force me to open ur pandora box
shaky,
You're right, brother !
The pundits' role in history was… the role of feudal oppressors.
And what Munnabhai says is what ALL oppressors say : that a people who fight against oppression should be BLAMED for that SAME oppression, for when they struggle they force the oppressor to oppress them EVEN MORE !
And, of course, whoever fights oppression is called a "terrorist" by the oppressor, to justify the oppression again !
This is the how it is in all lands, all times.
When india was fighting for freedom the British used to call indians "terrorists" & hang them.
Just like they call the Irish freedom fighters "terrorists".
& in the end Munnabhai says the struggle for Kashmir's freedom is actually a struggle to spread Islam !
Then why would Kashmiris hurl the shoe at a Muslim chief minister ??
shaky,
You’re right, brother !
The pundits’ role in history was… the role of feudal oppressors.
And what Munnabhai says is what ALL oppressors say : that a people who fight against oppression should be BLAMED for that SAME oppression, for when they struggle they force the oppressor to oppress them EVEN MORE !
And, of course, whoever fights oppression is called a “terrorist” by the oppressor, to justify the oppression again !
This is the how it is in all lands, all times.
When india was fighting for freedom the British used to call indians “terrorists” & hang them.
Just like they call the Irish freedom fighters “terrorists”.
& in the end Munnabhai says the struggle for Kashmir’s freedom is actually a struggle to spread Islam !
Then why would Kashmiris hurl the shoe at a Muslim chief minister ??
For God sake,please realize the fact.What wrong Kashmiri Muslims are doing?Is the demand for freedom from democratic country a crime? I ask it to a particular community who call their self as proud Hindu when actually the real name of their religion is Sanatan Dharam(the religion which teaches the truth).Have the real & the truth gone disappeared from their hearts?Why these people have lost their conscience?Have not they tired by killing about one lac twenty thousand people in Kashmir? A fact which still lies in the files of Indian Parliament may open their eyes,let they have a glance on this historical speech by the person who was the principal party from India in accessing Jammu & Kashmir with India.
"I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir.It is not that we have merely said that to the United Nations & to the people of Kashmir;It is our conviction and one that is borne out by the policy that we have pursued , not only in the Kashmir but everywhere."
"I started with the assumption that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future. We will not compel them. In that sense, the people of Kashmir are sovereign."
Jawahar Lal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India ( statement in the Indian Parliament,7 August 1952 ).
For God sake,please realize the fact.What wrong Kashmiri Muslims are doing?Is the demand for freedom from democratic country a crime? I ask it to a particular community who call their self as proud Hindu when actually the real name of their religion is Sanatan Dharam(the religion which teaches the truth).Have the real & the truth gone disappeared from their hearts?Why these people have lost their conscience?Have not they tired by killing about one lac twenty thousand people in Kashmir? A fact which still lies in the files of Indian Parliament may open their eyes,let they have a glance on this historical speech by the person who was the principal party from India in accessing Jammu & Kashmir with India.
“I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir.It is not that we have merely said that to the United Nations & to the people of Kashmir;It is our conviction and one that is borne out by the policy that we have pursued , not only in the Kashmir but everywhere.”
“I started with the assumption that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future. We will not compel them. In that sense, the people of Kashmir are sovereign.”
Jawahar Lal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India ( statement in the Indian Parliament,7 August 1952 ).
What do you expect if people throw stones on forces….Do you expect army to get killed by people. These are suspected terrorists who have been killed and its nothing like that India is not caring for there rights. India is one of the largest democracies in world and people here enjoy rights that are more than even Americans.
Kashmir is an integral part of India and will continue to do so. People were given an option to move to Pakistan in 1947 but still they preferred to stay with India. Its there fault.
Muslims have never been part of this country, Firstly we allowed them to rule over us for 500 years and then we gifted them with Pakistan and now they need Kashmir.
If these guys can die then India can kill to save its land. Its Justified..!!
These guys are all Pakistani's, Please ignore them. They just want to dilute India's image globally.
There is no question of making Kashmir a separate state. It belongs to Hindus and will stay with them and a message to US and Amnesty. Please stop interferring in our Internal affairs.
Thanks
Mr Zahoor repeats some words our respectable PM.
The fact is that when the words were said, Kashmir had a population that consisted 40% Hindus. But these guys have killed Hindus and forced them to leave there land. This firstly happened in Pakistan in 1947 and now its happening in Kashmir.
If they talk about self autonomy then displaced Kashmiri's would have a say in keeping words of PM and I beleive there verdict is quite clear and apart from this people are living in Ladakh too. Even they want to join India and infact people from Tibet also want to join India. Hence I would go on to say that even TIbet should be given to India and I think I have a better solution for people opposing India, They should be given an option to go to Pakistan and they should leave. Let's see if Pakistan accepts them or not as PAk has said that we want to save Kashmiri muslims. We want to grant them this opportunity. So guys please leave my country.
Jai Hind….!!
A true fact…
Hum Hindustan se hai….Hindustan Humse nahi…Jo Hindustan chorega usse tumhara khuda khud hi marega….for eg…Pak, Kashmir, Bangladesh…njoy..!!
What do you expect if people throw stones on forces….Do you expect army to get killed by people. These are suspected terrorists who have been killed and its nothing like that India is not caring for there rights. India is one of the largest democracies in world and people here enjoy rights that are more than even Americans.
Kashmir is an integral part of India and will continue to do so. People were given an option to move to Pakistan in 1947 but still they preferred to stay with India. Its there fault.
Muslims have never been part of this country, Firstly we allowed them to rule over us for 500 years and then we gifted them with Pakistan and now they need Kashmir.
If these guys can die then India can kill to save its land. Its Justified..!!
These guys are all Pakistani’s, Please ignore them. They just want to dilute India’s image globally.
There is no question of making Kashmir a separate state. It belongs to Hindus and will stay with them and a message to US and Amnesty. Please stop interferring in our Internal affairs.
Thanks
Mr Zahoor repeats some words our respectable PM.
The fact is that when the words were said, Kashmir had a population that consisted 40% Hindus. But these guys have killed Hindus and forced them to leave there land. This firstly happened in Pakistan in 1947 and now its happening in Kashmir.
If they talk about self autonomy then displaced Kashmiri’s would have a say in keeping words of PM and I beleive there verdict is quite clear and apart from this people are living in Ladakh too. Even they want to join India and infact people from Tibet also want to join India. Hence I would go on to say that even TIbet should be given to India and I think I have a better solution for people opposing India, They should be given an option to go to Pakistan and they should leave. Let’s see if Pakistan accepts them or not as PAk has said that we want to save Kashmiri muslims. We want to grant them this opportunity. So guys please leave my country.
Jai Hind….!!
A true fact…
Hum Hindustan se hai….Hindustan Humse nahi…Jo Hindustan chorega usse tumhara khuda khud hi marega….for eg…Pak, Kashmir, Bangladesh…njoy..!!
Mr.Indian I once again request you that be a real Sanatan Dharam follower but not the arrogant or aggressive person,behave as a good human being & realize the fact with conscience. Kashmiri people have saved all the non Muslims in Kashmir in 1947 war by not giving the actual location of the non Muslims to the invaders from Pakistan and Kashmirs have saved hundreds of people in 1996 during Amarnath yatra when heavy rain fell in the middle of summer and accommodated the yatris(pilgrims) in their own homes.Remember the Amarnath yatra land row in 2008 not even a single yatri was hurt by Muslim of Kashmir but offered juice pockets, refreshments & every possible help they provided them & in response about a dozen Kashmiri Muslims were killed & looted in Jammu. Please remember it is the history when 3 lac poor Muslims were killed in 1947 and hundreds of Tanga walas from Kashmir were killed from Udhampur to Jammu the Hindu dominant districts. Now show a simple such a crime which has committed by a Muslim of Kashmir.
We have history of hospitality & kindheartedness.I have mentioned the statement of first prime minister of India in which he himself refers the disputed nature of the state & what for united nations military observe group has been established in Srinagar & why not in any other state of India.Why it has conditional accession with India?We never forget the people who were killed during the funeral procession of Mirwaiz Molvi Farooq in Srinagar & in this massacre 65 innocents were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Gaw kadal Srinagar in which 28 people were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Sopore in which 48 people were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Bijbehara Anantag in which 32 people were killed.We never forget the miseries of those women who were gang raped by security forces which took place in Kunan Poshpore Kupwara in which 60women were gang raped.
Hundreds of massacres have happened in which 4 people to ten people have been killed by security forces & has witnessed by every district of Kashmir.
You are talking about the land for displaced Kashmir Pandits & what in contrast you will offer for massacre which happened in Jammu & Kashmir against Muslims.114 unarmed people are killed by forces in which about a dozen people are killed and their age is not more than 13 years do you mean that they are also trained by Pakistan.A girl from Batmaloo was killed in her home & a boy of 7 years old from same locality was killed & do you label him too as a Pakistani trained terrorist. In last parliament session in which opposition leaders shouted against the human rights violation in Kashmir,do you label it propaganda planted by Pakistan.
The violation of human rights in Kashmir is at its peak and the head of sensible and conscience people must go down & the resolution of the Kashmir dispute has to be sought so that more precious lives could be saved from this brutal activity of so called security forces.
Mr.Indian I once again request you that be a real Sanatan Dharam follower but not the arrogant or aggressive person,behave as a good human being & realize the fact with conscience. Kashmiri people have saved all the non Muslims in Kashmir in 1947 war by not giving the actual location of the non Muslims to the invaders from Pakistan and Kashmirs have saved hundreds of people in 1996 during Amarnath yatra when heavy rain fell in the middle of summer and accommodated the yatris(pilgrims) in their own homes.Remember the Amarnath yatra land row in 2008 not even a single yatri was hurt by Muslim of Kashmir but offered juice pockets, refreshments & every possible help they provided them & in response about a dozen Kashmiri Muslims were killed & looted in Jammu. Please remember it is the history when 3 lac poor Muslims were killed in 1947 and hundreds of Tanga walas from Kashmir were killed from Udhampur to Jammu the Hindu dominant districts. Now show a simple such a crime which has committed by a Muslim of Kashmir.
We have history of hospitality & kindheartedness.I have mentioned the statement of first prime minister of India in which he himself refers the disputed nature of the state & what for united nations military observe group has been established in Srinagar & why not in any other state of India.Why it has conditional accession with India?We never forget the people who were killed during the funeral procession of Mirwaiz Molvi Farooq in Srinagar & in this massacre 65 innocents were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Gaw kadal Srinagar in which 28 people were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Sopore in which 48 people were killed.We never forget the massacre which took place in Bijbehara Anantag in which 32 people were killed.We never forget the miseries of those women who were gang raped by security forces which took place in Kunan Poshpore Kupwara in which 60women were gang raped.
Hundreds of massacres have happened in which 4 people to ten people have been killed by security forces & has witnessed by every district of Kashmir.
You are talking about the land for displaced Kashmir Pandits & what in contrast you will offer for massacre which happened in Jammu & Kashmir against Muslims.114 unarmed people are killed by forces in which about a dozen people are killed and their age is not more than 13 years do you mean that they are also trained by Pakistan.A girl from Batmaloo was killed in her home & a boy of 7 years old from same locality was killed & do you label him too as a Pakistani trained terrorist. In last parliament session in which opposition leaders shouted against the human rights violation in Kashmir,do you label it propaganda planted by Pakistan.
The violation of human rights in Kashmir is at its peak and the head of sensible and conscience people must go down & the resolution of the Kashmir dispute has to be sought so that more precious lives could be saved from this brutal activity of so called security forces.
Mr. Zahoor, When India and Pakistan were divided, It was clearly said that people who want to select nations should do it right now, My family left Multan(A state in Pakistan) during that era and you very well know, how many hindus were killed, so can you say the number was as high as it is in Kashmir, Well it was way more.
Answer to your further quries,
Why is it like that its always muslims who face a problem in Kashmir and why not other people, I have taken all opinions but its just like only you guys have a problem.
I won't call everyone a terrorist who has been killed but quite obviously all these issues have come up from Pakistan and its a terrorised state and quite obviously the human rights propaganda is a plantation of Pak. Indian Army works under control of Indian Democracy whereas everyone knows that pak army works on its own.
If there are allegations on Indian army then go to courts and prove it. We haven't heard any such case and now please don't say that Indian constitution does not give you that right.
The last thing:-
India has been feeding you people since 1000 of years, when you entered our country, still we never said this to anyone. we allowed you to stay here, Ultimately one needs to remember that country's name was Hindustan, which was divided by muslims. The country belong to Hindus, since ages. Still in Kind a Pak land has been gifted. Well enough was enough, If you want to stay peacefully then you are welcome or else Indian Army would show you the way.
and thanks for making us realise that you guys have done so much work by working for Amarnath Yatra and telling us that we guys have looted you in Jammu whereas everyone knows what the truth is about this country.
If Amnesty officials land up in Delhi, We would see them here itself. Lets see what they can do. I can die for my country now.
Just a quick question:-
what do you expect an armed policemen to do when you throw stones at him, Would you expect him to plead or what. Have some common sense.
Don;t say that HIndus have not been displaced as we all know what facts are, Firstly Hndus were displaced from there rich land in Pak and now in Kashmir. I have got people to support my sayings. Hence there is no point arguing. The other thing you said was that terrorists asked you about where Kashmiri Pundits are, Well that proves Paki Influence and hence u have contracdicted yourself. This proves that Pak has created problems in Pakistan. Please don;t delete the above statement as we might need it as a proof to get Pak in International Courts. Thankyou..Jai Hind…!!
Mr. Zahoor, When India and Pakistan were divided, It was clearly said that people who want to select nations should do it right now, My family left Multan(A state in Pakistan) during that era and you very well know, how many hindus were killed, so can you say the number was as high as it is in Kashmir, Well it was way more.
Answer to your further quries,
Why is it like that its always muslims who face a problem in Kashmir and why not other people, I have taken all opinions but its just like only you guys have a problem.
I won’t call everyone a terrorist who has been killed but quite obviously all these issues have come up from Pakistan and its a terrorised state and quite obviously the human rights propaganda is a plantation of Pak. Indian Army works under control of Indian Democracy whereas everyone knows that pak army works on its own.
If there are allegations on Indian army then go to courts and prove it. We haven’t heard any such case and now please don’t say that Indian constitution does not give you that right.
The last thing:-
India has been feeding you people since 1000 of years, when you entered our country, still we never said this to anyone. we allowed you to stay here, Ultimately one needs to remember that country’s name was Hindustan, which was divided by muslims. The country belong to Hindus, since ages. Still in Kind a Pak land has been gifted. Well enough was enough, If you want to stay peacefully then you are welcome or else Indian Army would show you the way.
and thanks for making us realise that you guys have done so much work by working for Amarnath Yatra and telling us that we guys have looted you in Jammu whereas everyone knows what the truth is about this country.
If Amnesty officials land up in Delhi, We would see them here itself. Lets see what they can do. I can die for my country now.
Just a quick question:-
what do you expect an armed policemen to do when you throw stones at him, Would you expect him to plead or what. Have some common sense.
Don;t say that HIndus have not been displaced as we all know what facts are, Firstly Hndus were displaced from there rich land in Pak and now in Kashmir. I have got people to support my sayings. Hence there is no point arguing. The other thing you said was that terrorists asked you about where Kashmiri Pundits are, Well that proves Paki Influence and hence u have contracdicted yourself. This proves that Pak has created problems in Pakistan. Please don;t delete the above statement as we might need it as a proof to get Pak in International Courts. Thankyou..Jai Hind…!!