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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-4015</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael-

Homosexuals are not IPSO FACTO lesser to heterosexuals.

Your argument rests entirerly on the premise that a civil union between a gay couple is not given the legal equality of a marriage between a man and a woman.

Back to my point, the fight and argument should be focused on those states or federal laws (if any) that fail to recognize a civil union and/or fail to provide the same legal rights and protections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael-</p>
<p>Homosexuals are not IPSO FACTO lesser to heterosexuals.</p>
<p>Your argument rests entirerly on the premise that a civil union between a gay couple is not given the legal equality of a marriage between a man and a woman.</p>
<p>Back to my point, the fight and argument should be focused on those states or federal laws (if any) that fail to recognize a civil union and/or fail to provide the same legal rights and protections.
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-3752</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with not allowing LGBT people the right to marry is that it makes homosexual people ipso facto lesser to hetereosexuals.

I personally don&#039;t want to marry, but the possibility is necessary in order to have legal equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with not allowing LGBT people the right to marry is that it makes homosexual people ipso facto lesser to hetereosexuals.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t want to marry, but the possibility is necessary in order to have legal equality.
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny-

We agree (I think).

The real fight for the GLBT community rests with the RIGHTS.  If civilized unions are given the same legal status, rights, priviledges, protections etc... given to couples who are legally married would the GLBT be happy?

Given the arguments and the purposeful mischaracterization of Prop 8 I doubt that is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny-</p>
<p>We agree (I think).</p>
<p>The real fight for the GLBT community rests with the RIGHTS.  If civilized unions are given the same legal status, rights, priviledges, protections etc&#8230; given to couples who are legally married would the GLBT be happy?</p>
<p>Given the arguments and the purposeful mischaracterization of Prop 8 I doubt that is the case.
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 09:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian,

I dont&#039; think either that there&#039;s a huge difference between growing up with a married straight couple or a &quot;cilvil unioned&quot; gay couple. At least not as long as those two mean EXACTLY the same when it comes to rights (which has not been the case). I don&#039;t think religious definition should overcloud those civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>I dont&#8217; think either that there&#8217;s a huge difference between growing up with a married straight couple or a &#8220;cilvil unioned&#8221; gay couple. At least not as long as those two mean EXACTLY the same when it comes to rights (which has not been the case). I don&#8217;t think religious definition should overcloud those civil rights.
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-3614</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny-

Hello.

Let me say that what pediatricians have to say about children raised by a straight or gay couple has ZERO to do with Prop 8 and the definition of the word marriage.

The same pediatricians can do a study on the impact of children being raised by a MARRIED couple vs. a gay couple joined by a civil union.  I&#039;m sure the results would be the same.

Many are attempting to cloud the issue, but don&#039;t focus on what Prop 8 truelly was.  At least the majority of California voters and the California Supreme Court paid attention and got it right.

&quot;Why would anyone want to take that away?&quot; - Prop 8 and the California Supreme Court Ruling takes nothing away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny-</p>
<p>Hello.</p>
<p>Let me say that what pediatricians have to say about children raised by a straight or gay couple has ZERO to do with Prop 8 and the definition of the word marriage.</p>
<p>The same pediatricians can do a study on the impact of children being raised by a MARRIED couple vs. a gay couple joined by a civil union.  I&#8217;m sure the results would be the same.</p>
<p>Many are attempting to cloud the issue, but don&#8217;t focus on what Prop 8 truelly was.  At least the majority of California voters and the California Supreme Court paid attention and got it right.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why would anyone want to take that away?&#8221; &#8211; Prop 8 and the California Supreme Court Ruling takes nothing away.
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-3566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly recommend a report from the American Academy of Pediatricians (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349?ijkey=c82708dc7e97530f2624ed34c118d8c59ed99d5b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha), which shows that it doesn&#039;t matter whether the parents are gay or straight, but marriage strenghtens any family, and is thus beneficial for the children. Why would anyone want to take that away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly recommend a report from the American Academy of Pediatricians (<a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349?ijkey=c82708dc7e97530f2624ed34c118d8c59ed99d5b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha)" rel="nofollow">http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349?ijkey=c82708dc7e97530f2624ed34c118d8c59ed99d5b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha)</a>, which shows that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether the parents are gay or straight, but marriage strenghtens any family, and is thus beneficial for the children. Why would anyone want to take that away?
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		<title>By: Takiyah</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Takiyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, you&#039;ve summed up my thoughts to the tee.  I could not agree more.  The GLBT community doesn&#039;t even seem to know what they are fighting for anymore, and neither do some outsiders.  

They fought for marriage only so that they would afforded the same legal rights granted to married couples, but if this can be achieved under a civil union, what is all the contentious debate about?  Is the concept of &quot;equal rights&quot; no longer the objective?  And if it isn&#039;t, they need to go sit down.  I understand that right now, they would not be granted the same rights under a “civil union”, but THIS is where the fight should be focused, not on being classified under the term &quot;marriage&quot; and thereby, passively inheriting all those rights.  If they wanted to call it &quot;soue*7dhd##@&quot;, that would be fine, as long as &quot;soue*7dhd##@&quot;, meant they could have the same rights!  Seriously, if I were a sensible lesbian, I would recognize this.

I&#039;m not even a Christian, or a religious fanatic, but I do understand the religious foundation of what a traditional &quot;marriage&quot; is all about, and I wouldn&#039;t agree to the obliteration of that sanctity just so that a minority group could feel &quot;included.&quot;  I fully understand why people want to protect it...anyone should, whether they agree or not.  You just cannot shut your eyes, cock your ears and refuse to accept why people have objected to this…you won’t get anywhere by doing that.  The sooner the GBLT community realizes this, the better off they will be.  Focus on what is most important, your RIGHTS, and NOT under what term your union is being established and recognized by law.   They would be amazed by how much more support they would have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, you&#8217;ve summed up my thoughts to the tee.  I could not agree more.  The GLBT community doesn&#8217;t even seem to know what they are fighting for anymore, and neither do some outsiders.  </p>
<p>They fought for marriage only so that they would afforded the same legal rights granted to married couples, but if this can be achieved under a civil union, what is all the contentious debate about?  Is the concept of &#8220;equal rights&#8221; no longer the objective?  And if it isn&#8217;t, they need to go sit down.  I understand that right now, they would not be granted the same rights under a “civil union”, but THIS is where the fight should be focused, not on being classified under the term &#8220;marriage&#8221; and thereby, passively inheriting all those rights.  If they wanted to call it &#8220;soue*7dhd##@&#8221;, that would be fine, as long as &#8220;soue*7dhd##@&#8221;, meant they could have the same rights!  Seriously, if I were a sensible lesbian, I would recognize this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even a Christian, or a religious fanatic, but I do understand the religious foundation of what a traditional &#8220;marriage&#8221; is all about, and I wouldn&#8217;t agree to the obliteration of that sanctity just so that a minority group could feel &#8220;included.&#8221;  I fully understand why people want to protect it&#8230;anyone should, whether they agree or not.  You just cannot shut your eyes, cock your ears and refuse to accept why people have objected to this…you won’t get anywhere by doing that.  The sooner the GBLT community realizes this, the better off they will be.  Focus on what is most important, your RIGHTS, and NOT under what term your union is being established and recognized by law.   They would be amazed by how much more support they would have!
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Happy April Fools Day.

Enjoy The Company Of Your Significant Other, Man, Woman, Or Peanut Butter and Jelly.

And no---just because I happen to be Christian (oh by the way...there are plenty of gay Christians SURPRISE) do I think being openly gay should be against the law.

Stay on subject, and don&#039;t pretend to know me.

Enjoy the Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich if that is what you are into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Happy April Fools Day.</p>
<p>Enjoy The Company Of Your Significant Other, Man, Woman, Or Peanut Butter and Jelly.</p>
<p>And no&#8212;just because I happen to be Christian (oh by the way&#8230;there are plenty of gay Christians SURPRISE) do I think being openly gay should be against the law.</p>
<p>Stay on subject, and don&#8217;t pretend to know me.</p>
<p>Enjoy the Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich if that is what you are into.
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, the dictionary will be edited. What will we do in a world where a dictionary can be edited? HOW WILL WE LIVE? Oh allah, I mean God,  what will happen to our family if the dictionary is edited?? Our traditions will be ruined! No god please, not that, anything but the dictionary, please, its all about the definition, without the definition our lives are MEANINGLESS! Ok losers I am going to go and marry some peanut butter to some jelly. And remember kids, just say no to Jesus!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, the dictionary will be edited. What will we do in a world where a dictionary can be edited? HOW WILL WE LIVE? Oh allah, I mean God,  what will happen to our family if the dictionary is edited?? Our traditions will be ruined! No god please, not that, anything but the dictionary, please, its all about the definition, without the definition our lives are MEANINGLESS! Ok losers I am going to go and marry some peanut butter to some jelly. And remember kids, just say no to Jesus!!!
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/its-not-about-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real! Any self respecting christian would make being openly gay illegal if they could. Christianity, the Islam of yesteryear. It&#039;s not about a word, it is about THE WORD according to your medieval book of &quot;morality&quot;. But I guess we should trust you because your a Christian. Mt favorite saying. Ha! Oh, boohoo a sad day. Cry me a river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real! Any self respecting christian would make being openly gay illegal if they could. Christianity, the Islam of yesteryear. It&#8217;s not about a word, it is about THE WORD according to your medieval book of &#8220;morality&#8221;. But I guess we should trust you because your a Christian. Mt favorite saying. Ha! Oh, boohoo a sad day. Cry me a river.
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