Egypt: Back in Tahrir Square and Winning Victories

The Egyptian people have proven themselves to be a patient nation. They showed an active patience over the three decades of Mubarak rule, speaking out when they could but waiting for the right time to rise up in Tahrir Square and across the country to oust him.

Since the success of the Jan. 25 uprising, many in America have wondered whether the uprising died out prematurely after Mubarak’s resignation.  The pace of reform has slowed, the military regime has dragged hundreds of protesters before unfair military trials, and the New Egypt looks suspiciously like the Old Egypt.

This week, they have their answer.  Today, for the sixth straight day, thousands of Egyptians have returned to sit in Tahrir Square to demand their promised rights.  Despite public warnings from the interim military rulers, the protesters are not budging and are preparing Friday to present one of the largest protests in Egypt since Jan. 25.

This is what change looks like.  It’s not a straight line and it’s not inevitable.  But what the Egyptian people are doing is effective. One of the critical demands from the people is that the government investigate crimes by the police and security forces under the Mubarak regime.  This is a step the government hasn’t wanted to take, focusing instead on prosecuting Mubarak and a few top former regime leaders.

But the Egyptian protests forced the government on Wednesday to go farther, firing some 600 to 700 senior police officers. At least three dozen were specifically accused of being involved in the killing of protesters during the Jan. 25 uprising, according to Al Jazeera. That’s not enough, as Amnesty International’s documentation on Egypt’s corrosive security forces makes clear, but it’s a good victory, and it wouldn’t have happened without the protests. The military rulers have also acted to improve judicial transparency, particularly related to the upcoming trials of former regime members.  That’s another victory for the protesters.

A second critical demand for protesters is justice and reparations for the thousands of people injured by the Egyptian security forces, particularly in the aftermath of the Jan. 25 uprising.  A new Amnesty International video (see below) with Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, AI’s deputy director of the Middle East and North Africa Program, documents the organization’s research on police violence in the Suez and the victims’ inability to date to get justice.

The protests have also led to a resignation of an unpopular deputy prime minister.  But there has been resistance, with groups of armed men forcing their way into Tahrir Square and injuring at least eight people, according to al Jazeera.

Watch Egypt on Friday, when the protests should be the largest.  The Egyptian people haven’t forgotten what Jan. 25 was about, and if the rest of the world supports them the New Egypt may be newer and come sooner than we thought.

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24 thoughts on “Egypt: Back in Tahrir Square and Winning Victories

  1. Please notice very very well.

    In all these protests there has been not one word from any single one of these Egyptian so-called protestors demanding the Egyptian military government lift the Egyptian siege on Gaza and stop preventing humanitarian aid from entering Gaza over the Egyptian border.

    The Egyptian siege on Gaza was imposed by the overthrown dictator Mubarak but is still today enforced by the Egyptian Army, and the barbed wire topped steal apartheid wall separating the poor people of Gaza from Egypt is still patrolled to this day by the Egyptian Army with shoot to kill orders for any Gazan who dares try to cross into Egypt to so much as buy a crust of bread for his hungry family.

    The Egyptian siege of Gaza is so horrific, so total, even restricting medicine and food imports to Gaza, that western civil society had to try to organize a flotilla of boats to bring to Gaza the desperately needed food and medical aid that the cruel racist apartheid state of Egypt is preventing from being imported into Gaza.

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding this outrageous human rights abuse Egypt is continuing to commit daily against the freedom loving people of Gaza stop and allow the Gaza Egypt border open to commercial import /export.

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding these crimes against humanity Egypt is continuing to this day to commit against the people of Gaza stop immediately and allow every Gazan complete freedom of movement as is their inalienable human right, so all Gazans can pass freely into and out of Egypt whenever they want and give freedom to the Gazans from what as we all have been told over and over is the "largest open air prison in the world".

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding Egypt stop its oppression of Gaza, Egypt stop its starvation of Gaza, Egypt stop its imprisonment of the whole population of Gaza !!!

    when ?

  2. Please notice very very well.

    In all these protests there has been not one word from any single one of these Egyptian so-called protestors demanding the Egyptian military government lift the Egyptian siege on Gaza and stop preventing humanitarian aid from entering Gaza over the Egyptian border.

    The Egyptian siege on Gaza was imposed by the overthrown dictator Mubarak but is still today enforced by the Egyptian Army, and the barbed wire topped steal apartheid wall separating the poor people of Gaza from Egypt is still patrolled to this day by the Egyptian Army with shoot to kill orders for any Gazan who dares try to cross into Egypt to so much as buy a crust of bread for his hungry family.

    The Egyptian siege of Gaza is so horrific, so total, even restricting medicine and food imports to Gaza, that western civil society had to try to organize a flotilla of boats to bring to Gaza the desperately needed food and medical aid that the cruel racist apartheid state of Egypt is preventing from being imported into Gaza.

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding this outrageous human rights abuse Egypt is continuing to commit daily against the freedom loving people of Gaza stop and allow the Gaza Egypt border open to commercial import /export.

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding these crimes against humanity Egypt is continuing to this day to commit against the people of Gaza stop immediately and allow every Gazan complete freedom of movement as is their inalienable human right, so all Gazans can pass freely into and out of Egypt whenever they want and give freedom to the Gazans from what as we all have been told over and over is the “largest open air prison in the world”.

    When will these so-called Egyptian protestors in Tahir Square begin demanding Egypt stop its oppression of Gaza, Egypt stop its starvation of Gaza, Egypt stop its imprisonment of the whole population of Gaza !!!

    when ?

  3. This is about the Egyptian people's just struggle for freedom.

    We don't delegitimize their movement by referring to them as "socalled protesters".

    As the Zionist mouthpiece Judonimh does here.

    Neither do we expect them to shift the focus of their struggle from their own CENTRAL demands when these are still UNREALIZED & even under attack.

    The Revolution has barely begun.

    As for Gaza, Judonimh MECHANICALLY imputes to Egypt the VERY things Israel is doing there, Gaza'a blockade in which Israel marshalled its ally the proUSraeli Mubarak regime for so long !!!

    The poison fruit of ISRAEL'S BLOCKADE in which a corrupt Mubarak collaborated won't be uprooted OVERNIGHT in Cairo.

    The Egyptian Revolution isn't of the Russian or Chinese kind …. that is, a TOTAL TRANSFORMATION of policy & path.

    To demand it to be so radical is to show one's ignorance of the laws of history & their uneven manifestation & operation.

    The Egyptian Revolution is still at the base of society … & even that base is untransformed.

    The ruling superstructure of Egypt is still in the old hands… only some faces have changed.

    Contrary to what Judonimh tries to push here, the army there is NOT scared of the Brotherhood … rather, it's the Brotherhood that's MODERATE & guarded…. & with little experience ( at either the rank & file or the leadership levels ) in radical reform…. or reform of any kind.

    The Brotherhood's in the government for it's the only organized party .

    & again, CONTRARY to Judonimh's false portrayal, the Revolution's working class & youth bases are VERY MUCH conscious of Gaza's plight.

    They definitely want Gaza's freedom.

    & they want to stop Israel from continuing to get Egypt's gas resources at the cheap rates Mubarak granted, & channel the flow back to the needs of their own people.

    It is also very foolish … & futile …. to speak, as Judonimh does, of Egypt's "apartheid wall" at Rafah.

    The barriers on THIS border are political … not racial.

    In his bid to gobble up all distinctions between Egypt & Israel, too very disimilar countries, Judonimh has neglected his own digestion.

    By mechanically putting Egypt in Israel's place vis – a – vis the Gaza blockade, down to the last detail, he has displayed a lack of grasp of the QUALITATIVE differences in the history of the two countries.

    But if you look at how isolated Israel's become on Gaza today, you know why Judonimh so desperately needs to scare up a twin to give Zionism some company …. or the illusion of it.

  4. The 30 km border between Gaza and Egypt is an illusion ?

    Good to know.

    Did you maybe hire magician David Blane to make the 30 km long border between Egypt and Gaza, blockaded by the racist apartheid Egyptian army, "disappear"? That I would have liked to see very much.

    And thanks for answering my questions, ….not.

    I will just repeat the question you refused to answer in case you missed it the first time. If these so-called protestors in Tahrir Square are really interested in democracy and human rights then why :

    1) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate removal of the racist apartheid wall between Gaza and Egypt?

    2) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate removal of blockade on humanitarian aid including medicine and food from entering Gaza from Egypt?

    3) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate admittance of Gazans wanting to travel to Egypt for any reason including urgent medical treatment, study, and family reunions. Why is Egypt continuing to keep Gazans in the "wolds largest open air prison" denying them their inalienable right to freedom of movement and why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse ever to call for this racist border control at the Egypt Gaza border to change ?

    4) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for Egypt to drop its illegal racist policy of blocking all export of commercial goods from Gaza to the markets of the world through the Egyptian border so the moribund Gazan economy can earn money to revive itself and lower Gazan unemployment?

    These are simple questions. Just answer them.

    Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for any of these things, i.e. that Egypt should immediately stop behaving with extreme racist hatred and apartheid oppression towards Gaza as it has done under the dictator and still today 6 months after the so-called revolution?

  5. This is about the Egyptian people’s just struggle for freedom.

    We don’t delegitimize their movement by referring to them as “socalled protesters”.

    As the Zionist mouthpiece Judonimh does here.

    Neither do we expect them to shift the focus of their struggle from their own CENTRAL demands when these are still UNREALIZED & even under attack.

    The Revolution has barely begun.

    As for Gaza, Judonimh MECHANICALLY imputes to Egypt the VERY things Israel is doing there, Gaza’a blockade in which Israel marshalled its ally the proUSraeli Mubarak regime for so long !!!

    The poison fruit of ISRAEL’S BLOCKADE in which a corrupt Mubarak collaborated won’t be uprooted OVERNIGHT in Cairo.

    The Egyptian Revolution isn’t of the Russian or Chinese kind …. that is, a TOTAL TRANSFORMATION of policy & path.

    To demand it to be so radical is to show one’s ignorance of the laws of history & their uneven manifestation & operation.

    The Egyptian Revolution is still at the base of society … & even that base is untransformed.

    The ruling superstructure of Egypt is still in the old hands… only some faces have changed.

    Contrary to what Judonimh tries to push here, the army there is NOT scared of the Brotherhood … rather, it’s the Brotherhood that’s MODERATE & guarded…. & with little experience ( at either the rank & file or the leadership levels ) in radical reform…. or reform of any kind.

    The Brotherhood’s in the government for it’s the only organized party .

    & again, CONTRARY to Judonimh’s false portrayal, the Revolution’s working class & youth bases are VERY MUCH conscious of Gaza’s plight.

    They definitely want Gaza’s freedom.

    & they want to stop Israel from continuing to get Egypt’s gas resources at the cheap rates Mubarak granted, & channel the flow back to the needs of their own people.

    It is also very foolish … & futile …. to speak, as Judonimh does, of Egypt’s “apartheid wall” at Rafah.

    The barriers on THIS border are political … not racial.

    In his bid to gobble up all distinctions between Egypt & Israel, too very disimilar countries, Judonimh has neglected his own digestion.

    By mechanically putting Egypt in Israel’s place vis – a – vis the Gaza blockade, down to the last detail, he has displayed a lack of grasp of the QUALITATIVE differences in the history of the two countries.

    But if you look at how isolated Israel’s become on Gaza today, you know why Judonimh so desperately needs to scare up a twin to give Zionism some company …. or the illusion of it.

  6. source: Al-Masry Al-Youm
    Egyptian Arabic-language independent daily newspaper
    published Fri 15 Jul 2011

    "The Muslim Brotherhood’s official news outlet, Ikhwan Online, is reporting that “Zionists” are trying to destabilize Egypt by infiltrating an ongoing sit-in protest in Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

    "The website reported on 11 July that at the 8 July protest, protesters in Tahrir Square caught three “thugs” carrying knives and foreign currencies. According to the website, the three men each had a tattoo of the Star of David, a Jewish symbol, on their right foot."

    "The Zionists still attempt to use thugs and spies to suppress the revolt of the Egyptian people that have damaged the interests of the beneficiaries of the ousted regime in Egypt, and tipped the balance in the Middle East,” the Brotherhood outlet said."

    "According to Ikhwan Online, bombs and tear gas marked with the Star of David were also allegedly found in possession of a satellite television reporter who was inciting protesters against the police and encouraging demonstrators to storm the Ministry of Interior."

    "Israel wants to derail the revolution because Arab revolutions limit Zionist influence in the region, thwart attempts to control the Middle East and deplete its resources," Ikhwan Online quoted Major General Mohammed Abdul Lateef Tolba, a security expert, as saying."

    Tolba told the website that Tahrir Square, where demonstrations are entering their sixth day, is full of Zionist spies, the first enemy of all Arabs and Egyptians."

    Tolba told the Muslim Brotherhood’s website that Zionists are also responsible for the current high level of street crime across Egypt. They are spreading panic among Egyptians to make them feel that the revolution did not bring them security and safety, he said, according to Ikhwan Online."

  7. The 30 km border between Gaza and Egypt is an illusion ?

    Good to know.

    Did you maybe hire magician David Blane to make the 30 km long border between Egypt and Gaza, blockaded by the racist apartheid Egyptian army, “disappear”? That I would have liked to see very much.

    And thanks for answering my questions, ….not.

    I will just repeat the question you refused to answer in case you missed it the first time. If these so-called protestors in Tahrir Square are really interested in democracy and human rights then why :

    1) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate removal of the racist apartheid wall between Gaza and Egypt?

    2) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate removal of blockade on humanitarian aid including medicine and food from entering Gaza from Egypt?

    3) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for the immediate admittance of Gazans wanting to travel to Egypt for any reason including urgent medical treatment, study, and family reunions. Why is Egypt continuing to keep Gazans in the “wolds largest open air prison” denying them their inalienable right to freedom of movement and why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse ever to call for this racist border control at the Egypt Gaza border to change ?

    4) Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for Egypt to drop its illegal racist policy of blocking all export of commercial goods from Gaza to the markets of the world through the Egyptian border so the moribund Gazan economy can earn money to revive itself and lower Gazan unemployment?

    These are simple questions. Just answer them.

    Why do the so-called protestors in Tahrir Square refuse to even once call for any of these things, i.e. that Egypt should immediately stop behaving with extreme racist hatred and apartheid oppression towards Gaza as it has done under the dictator and still today 6 months after the so-called revolution?

  8. source: Al-Masry Al-Youm
    Egyptian Arabic-language independent daily newspaper
    published Fri 15 Jul 2011

    “The Muslim Brotherhood’s official news outlet, Ikhwan Online, is reporting that “Zionists” are trying to destabilize Egypt by infiltrating an ongoing sit-in protest in Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

    “The website reported on 11 July that at the 8 July protest, protesters in Tahrir Square caught three “thugs” carrying knives and foreign currencies. According to the website, the three men each had a tattoo of the Star of David, a Jewish symbol, on their right foot.”

    “The Zionists still attempt to use thugs and spies to suppress the revolt of the Egyptian people that have damaged the interests of the beneficiaries of the ousted regime in Egypt, and tipped the balance in the Middle East,” the Brotherhood outlet said.”

    “According to Ikhwan Online, bombs and tear gas marked with the Star of David were also allegedly found in possession of a satellite television reporter who was inciting protesters against the police and encouraging demonstrators to storm the Ministry of Interior.”

    “Israel wants to derail the revolution because Arab revolutions limit Zionist influence in the region, thwart attempts to control the Middle East and deplete its resources,” Ikhwan Online quoted Major General Mohammed Abdul Lateef Tolba, a security expert, as saying.”

    Tolba told the website that Tahrir Square, where demonstrations are entering their sixth day, is full of Zionist spies, the first enemy of all Arabs and Egyptians.”

    Tolba told the Muslim Brotherhood’s website that Zionists are also responsible for the current high level of street crime across Egypt. They are spreading panic among Egyptians to make them feel that the revolution did not bring them security and safety, he said, according to Ikhwan Online.”

  9. It's not the border that's an illusion.

    It's Judonimh's idea that Egypt & Israel stand in identical relationship to Gaza that is.

    Isolated Gaza isn't as weak as it appears !

    For she has isolated Israel in turn.

    On a global scale.

    Zionism's resulting paranoia leads Judonimh to demand that Egypt's to blame for Gaza's problems, not Israel .

    His seeming reasoning is … that the revolting Egyptian masses are not doing anything to relieve Gaza's suffering !

    This passing of the buck to those who DIDN'T create it … that is, passing the issue of the blockade to the Egyptian people who hadn't imposed it …. reflects a further ignorance about the DAILY REALITIES of the Egyptian Revolution.

    First of all, there's not just ONE Egypt.

    There're 3.

    Cairo & the big cities.

    & the countryside.

    & the peripheral areas demanding special status.

    Right now, EVERY class, profession & interest in Egyptian society IS FIGHTING TO PRESENT its own, longfrustrated longlist of demands.

    They are not "socalled protesters" as Judonimh scoffs.

    They are real people who have NEVER been able to voice their TRUE needs.

    EVERY DAY these myriad social groups are organizing protests on their own, on their own demands.

    The hydra of the Revolution has new demands coming out of each of its mouths every hour !!

    Workers are demanding jobs for their kids.

    Cairo lawyers shouting, "We got rid of Gamal [ Mubarak's brat ], but there are a THOUSAND GAMALS among the judges !"

    Employees demanding corrupt bosses be fired.

    People critiquing the al Azhar hierarchy.

    People criticizing the Coptic Church.

    Suez Authority subsidiaries urging the removal of their director.

    Doctors fighting for more healthcare spending.

    The hydra of Revolution is calling for REAL CHANGE, & the tasks facing thr country are as MYRIAD as its heads —–

    1. The organization of the elections.

    2. The future of the state media.

    3. The trial of Mubarak's cronies.

    4. The regeneration of the economy.

    5. The reorganization of the police & state security force.

    6. The dissolution & re – election of HUNDREDS od municipal councils.

    7. Redefining the army's role, crucial in any new equation of power.

    8. The status of the Universities.

    9. The overthrow of the top bureaucrats.

    10. A new law needed for the trade unions.

    & all this is happening at the bottom, from the bottom, by the bottom of society.

    Decentralized.

    Fragmented.

    Each group & interest speaking, acting, organizing separately.

    & trying to coordinate & collaborate with all the other bottom sectors.

    All going on at the same time.

    They have, in short, no time to extricate Zionism from its selfcreated problems.

    Their own future highly uncertain.

    Their destiny to be what they can make of it RIGHT NOW !!

    Before the slippery elite dodges its own vague promises with Obama's & the West's help.

    Egypt is setting her own house in order.

    Only afterwards can she move to her borders.

    What is our duty here ?

    To support & help defend the Revolution.

    From every attack.

    Internal Or Otherwise.

    & to understand its daily realities.

  10. Is it really so complicated an issue?

    All that is needed is an order the Egyptian border guards at the Rafa border to immediately allow commercial truck transports to cross from Egypt into Gaza with imports and out of Gaza into Egypt with exports.

    Israel does not have the right to say even a word against it.

    This requires nothing more difficult than a single 5 minute telephone call from the ruling military junta to the border post at Rafa.

    So why not ?

    answer: the 250 million dollars a year that Al Jezeera estimates Hamas rakes in from controlling the smuggling trade means it is Hamas that most of all prefers Gaza remain under blockade.

    ========================================================= http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/201

    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.
    16 Jul 2011

    With supplies from Egypt easier to get, the Palestinian enclave's construction industry is thriving again.

    Thousands of construction workers are being asked to return to work as the Gaza Strip finds itself in the middle of a building boom.

    The Contractors' Association says more than 14,000 new construction jobs have been created this year.

    =========================================================

  11. Is it really so complicated an issue?

    All that is needed is an order the Egyptian border guards at the Rafa border to immediately allow commercial truck transports to cross from Egypt into Gaza with imports and out of Gaza into Egypt with exports.

    Israel does not have the right to say even a word against it.

    This requires nothing more difficult than a single 5 minute telephone call from the ruling military junta to the border post at Rafa.

    So why not ?

    answer: the 250 million dollars a year that Al Jezeera estimates Hamas rakes in from controlling the smuggling trade means it is Hamas that most of all prefers Gaza remain under blockade.

    ========================================================= http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/201

    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.
    16 Jul 2011

    With supplies from Egypt easier to get, the Palestinian enclave's construction industry is thriving again.

    Thousands of construction workers are being asked to return to work as the Gaza Strip finds itself in the middle of a building boom.

    The Contractors' Association says more than 14,000 new construction jobs have been created this year.

    =========================================================

  12. Is it really so complicated an issue?

    All that is needed is an order the Egyptian border guards at the Rafa border to immediately allow commercial truck transports to cross from Egypt into Gaza with imports and out of Gaza into Egypt with exports.

    Israel does not have the right to say even a word against it.

    This requires nothing more difficult than a single 5 minute telephone call from the ruling military junta to the border post at Rafa.

    So why not ?

    answer: the 250 million dollars a year that Al Jezeera estimates Hamas rakes in from controlling the smuggling trade means it is Hamas that most of all prefers Gaza remain under blockade.

    ========================================================= http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/201

    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.
    16 Jul 2011

    With supplies from Egypt easier to get, the Palestinian enclave's construction industry is thriving again.

    Thousands of construction workers are being asked to return to work as the Gaza Strip finds itself in the middle of a building boom.

    The Contractors' Association says more than 14,000 new construction jobs have been created this year.

    =========================================================

  13. It’s not the border that’s an illusion.

    It’s Judonimh’s idea that Egypt & Israel stand in identical relationship to Gaza that is.

    Isolated Gaza isn’t as weak as it appears !

    For she has isolated Israel in turn.

    On a global scale.

    Zionism’s resulting paranoia leads Judonimh to demand that Egypt’s to blame for Gaza’s problems, not Israel .

    His seeming reasoning is … that the revolting Egyptian masses are not doing anything to relieve Gaza’s suffering !

    This passing of the buck to those who DIDN’T create it … that is, passing the issue of the blockade to the Egyptian people who hadn’t imposed it …. reflects a further ignorance about the DAILY REALITIES of the Egyptian Revolution.

    First of all, there’s not just ONE Egypt.

    There’re 3.

    Cairo & the big cities.

    & the countryside.

    & the peripheral areas demanding special status.

    Right now, EVERY class, profession & interest in Egyptian society IS FIGHTING TO PRESENT its own, longfrustrated longlist of demands.

    They are not “socalled protesters” as Judonimh scoffs.

    They are real people who have NEVER been able to voice their TRUE needs.

    EVERY DAY these myriad social groups are organizing protests on their own, on their own demands.

    The hydra of the Revolution has new demands coming out of each of its mouths every hour !!

    Workers are demanding jobs for their kids.

    Cairo lawyers shouting, “We got rid of Gamal [ Mubarak's brat ], but there are a THOUSAND GAMALS among the judges !”

    Employees demanding corrupt bosses be fired.

    People critiquing the al Azhar hierarchy.

    People criticizing the Coptic Church.

    Suez Authority subsidiaries urging the removal of their director.

    Doctors fighting for more healthcare spending.

    The hydra of Revolution is calling for REAL CHANGE, & the tasks facing thr country are as MYRIAD as its heads —–

    1. The organization of the elections.

    2. The future of the state media.

    3. The trial of Mubarak’s cronies.

    4. The regeneration of the economy.

    5. The reorganization of the police & state security force.

    6. The dissolution & re – election of HUNDREDS od municipal councils.

    7. Redefining the army’s role, crucial in any new equation of power.

    8. The status of the Universities.

    9. The overthrow of the top bureaucrats.

    10. A new law needed for the trade unions.

    & all this is happening at the bottom, from the bottom, by the bottom of society.

    Decentralized.

    Fragmented.

    Each group & interest speaking, acting, organizing separately.

    & trying to coordinate & collaborate with all the other bottom sectors.

    All going on at the same time.

    They have, in short, no time to extricate Zionism from its selfcreated problems.

    Their own future highly uncertain.

    Their destiny to be what they can make of it RIGHT NOW !!

    Before the slippery elite dodges its own vague promises with Obama’s & the West’s help.

    Egypt is setting her own house in order.

    Only afterwards can she move to her borders.

    What is our duty here ?

    To support & help defend the Revolution.

    From every attack.

    Internal Or Otherwise.

    & to understand its daily realities.

  14. Is it really so complicated an issue?

    All that is needed is an order the Egyptian border guards at the Rafa border to immediately allow commercial truck transports to cross from Egypt into Gaza with imports and out of Gaza into Egypt with exports.

    Israel does not have the right to say even a word against it.

    This requires nothing more difficult than a single 5 minute telephone call from the ruling military junta to the border post at Rafa.

    So why not ?

    answer: the 250 million dollars a year that Al Jezeera estimates Hamas rakes in from controlling the smuggling trade means it is Hamas that most of all prefers Gaza remain under blockade.

    =========================================================
    http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2011/07/201171619436625473.html

    Al Jazeera’s Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.
    16 Jul 2011

    With supplies from Egypt easier to get, the Palestinian enclave’s construction industry is thriving again.

    Thousands of construction workers are being asked to return to work as the Gaza Strip finds itself in the middle of a building boom.

    The Contractors’ Association says more than 14,000 new construction jobs have been created this year.

    =========================================================

  15. Judonimh now sends the ball from the protesters' court to that of "the ruling military junta".

    Why ?

    WHY should Gaza's imports & exports go via Egypt ??

    Gaza's in Palestine, not Egypt !

    Her major external passages ALL run via Palestine.

    So why Judonimh's sudden love & caring for Gaza's wellbeing, WHILE he still champions the Israeli blockade of Gaza ?

    Here's why :

    1 ) His is Zionism's way out of the impasse vis a vis world opinion on Gaza : Use Rafah as Gaza's minor opening, &, same time, cut Gaza from Palestine & Jerusalem.He's used this tactic here, whenever an issue focuses on the blockade or the world's criticism of the blockade runs high.

    2 ) This tactic of 2 birds with one stone … just talk of Rafah while keeping Gaza shut from Palestine ….. has multiple bonuses.

    a ) It separates Jerusalem from Gaza & Palestine.

    b ) It diverts attention from Israel's Gaza blockade.

    b ) It simultaneously helps MAINTAIN Gaza's blockade for, as AI's Ms Garwood has explained, Rafah's just a minor opening… it CAN'T deal with Gaza's import / export needs.

    It's only a back door.

    Judonimh's "humanitarianism" here is like that of the gangster who lays siege to your house & blockades your door, & when he gets a bad press for it he says, "Why don't you use the fire escape ?"

    If you point out that your landlord is pally with the same gangster & so has blocked that way too, he'll deny all complicity here, although everyone knows he controls the whole hood.

    Both the Egyptian military as well as today's Muslim Brotherhood have long had such complicity with the US in the region, in spite of the Brotherhood's outward image .

    & the Egyptian junta & elite still maintain their status quo vis a vis Israel.

    A mutually long savored & rewarding relationship.

  16. Well, you see Mr. Savage, the Gazans would like to export agricultural and manufactured goods to the markets of Europe to earn money, the West Bank being in the exact wrong direction to ship to when Europe is the destination from Gaza's perspective vis-a-vis geography and east vs. west, don't you know old chap.

    I know this must sound to your ears like crazy town talk, stone deaf as you are to reason, but ordinary common Gazan folk actually want money, they want jobs and they want a functional economy, even if you and all the rest of the foreign fanatics worldwide would insist they stay as helpless dependents living of donated aid till the end of time just to serve as pawns in your devious propaganda exploitation.

    Savage, you from your cushy position, from 10 thousand miles away, you and your ilk are fully prepared to fight the Palestinian struggle right down to the last Gazan but, and I know this must disappoint you terribly, the Gazans themselves do not share your absolute unshakable ideological commitment to their demise while they fight what you have deemed for them to be the good fight.

    El Arish Egypt is the closest modern deep water shipping port to Gaza and for this reason alone would make the most elementary of economic sense to use El Arish as Gaza's primary gateway to the world, but it boasts yet a further advantage in that the Israelis have no ability to restrict or interfere in any with any shipping between El Arish and the Rafa border crossing into Gaza as it all takes place entirely on sovereign Egyptian territory.

    As I say, the real reason why this eminently logical development, opening the Rafa border to Egypt, does not occur is single fold:

    Hamas does not want it, Hamas has requested of the Egyptian junta to keep Rafa closed, because as Al Jezeera revealed to the world not ten days ago, Hamas makes at the minimum 250 million dollars a year on the smuggling trade.

  17. Judonimh now sends the ball from the protesters’ court to that of “the ruling military junta”.

    Why ?

    WHY should Gaza’s imports & exports go via Egypt ??

    Gaza’s in Palestine, not Egypt !

    Her major external passages ALL run via Palestine.

    So why Judonimh’s sudden love & caring for Gaza’s wellbeing, WHILE he still champions the Israeli blockade of Gaza ?

    Here’s why :

    1 ) His is Zionism’s way out of the impasse vis a vis world opinion on Gaza : Use Rafah as Gaza’s minor opening, &, same time, cut Gaza from Palestine & Jerusalem.He’s used this tactic here, whenever an issue focuses on the blockade or the world’s criticism of the blockade runs high.

    2 ) This tactic of 2 birds with one stone … just talk of Rafah while keeping Gaza shut from Palestine ….. has multiple bonuses.

    a ) It separates Jerusalem from Gaza & Palestine.

    b ) It diverts attention from Israel’s Gaza blockade.

    b ) It simultaneously helps MAINTAIN Gaza’s blockade for, as AI’s Ms Garwood has explained, Rafah’s just a minor opening… it CAN’T deal with Gaza’s import / export needs.

    It’s only a back door.

    Judonimh’s “humanitarianism” here is like that of the gangster who lays siege to your house & blockades your door, & when he gets a bad press for it he says, “Why don’t you use the fire escape ?”

    If you point out that your landlord is pally with the same gangster & so has blocked that way too, he’ll deny all complicity here, although everyone knows he controls the whole hood.

    Both the Egyptian military as well as today’s Muslim Brotherhood have long had such complicity with the US in the region, in spite of the Brotherhood’s outward image .

    & the Egyptian junta & elite still maintain their status quo vis a vis Israel.

    A mutually long savored & rewarding relationship.

  18. Well, you see Mr. Savage, the Gazans would like to export agricultural and manufactured goods to the markets of Europe to earn money, the West Bank being in the exact wrong direction to ship to when Europe is the destination from Gaza’s perspective vis-a-vis geography and east vs. west, don’t you know old chap.

    I know this must sound to your ears like crazy town talk, stone deaf as you are to reason, but ordinary common Gazan folk actually want money, they want jobs and they want a functional economy, even if you and all the rest of the foreign fanatics worldwide would insist they stay as helpless dependents living of donated aid till the end of time just to serve as pawns in your devious propaganda exploitation.

    Savage, you from your cushy position, from 10 thousand miles away, you and your ilk are fully prepared to fight the Palestinian struggle right down to the last Gazan but, and I know this must disappoint you terribly, the Gazans themselves do not share your absolute unshakable ideological commitment to their demise while they fight what you have deemed for them to be the good fight.

    El Arish Egypt is the closest modern deep water shipping port to Gaza and for this reason alone would make the most elementary of economic sense to use El Arish as Gaza’s primary gateway to the world, but it boasts yet a further advantage in that the Israelis have no ability to restrict or interfere in any with any shipping between El Arish and the Rafa border crossing into Gaza as it all takes place entirely on sovereign Egyptian territory.

    As I say, the real reason why this eminently logical development, opening the Rafa border to Egypt, does not occur is single fold:

    Hamas does not want it, Hamas has requested of the Egyptian junta to keep Rafa closed, because as Al Jezeera revealed to the world not ten days ago, Hamas makes at the minimum 250 million dollars a year on the smuggling trade.

  19. So it's Hamas & "the foreign fanatics worldwide" who maintain Gaza's blockade, & not Israel that blockades Gaza, to believe Judonimh !!

    & Israel which dominates the powerful US / ( pro – )Western media is getting globally cornered by this Hamas – volunteer combine alone…. & not by her own blockade !!

    Well, the Hamas legend sure grows. Its strategists must be past masters.

    "Blockade yourself ! & get rich off it !! AND corner the region's mightiest army !!" Why didn't anyone think of this one before ???

    So why doesn't Israel drop the blockade, in order to defeat this insidious Hamas plot AND foil those "the foreign fanatics worldwide", one wonders……

  20. By George, I think he's got it !!

    Bravo, Mr. Savage, you have summed up the Hamas strategy quite well,
    i.e. "get filthy rich off having yourself blockaded",

    All Hamas had to do to pull their sneaky little plan off was to seize power in Gaza in a bloody civil war, abrogate all previous peace treaties and declare their only goal was to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, suicide attack the humanitarian aid border crossing to Israel half a dozen times, kidnap a young Israeli conscript and hold him 5 years without a red cross visit, attempt repeatedly to smuggle in massive deliveries of long range rockets from Iran, and last but not least spray more than 20,000 rockets and mortars onto the heads of Israeli civilians, and voilà, a blockade is imposed.

    However, you did leave out the very best part of the scheme where Hamas also simultaneously gains the sympathy of naive bumpkins and rubes by the truckload for being blockaded. I bet the Hamas strategy team was giving itself high fives when they came up with that doozy.

    Hamas reminds me of Lizzie Borden, who, while being tried for killing her parents, asked the court for mercy due to her being an orphan.

    But you did get one thing wrong, Savage. It is not I saying Hamas is getting rich off the blockade, it is Al Jezeera saying it.

    here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHzL3mRP7g

    Jul 5, 2011
    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.

    It's been five years since Egypt and Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza – a siege that was aimed at weakening Hamas, which controls the Strip.

    But an underground world of smuggling tunnels, and the subsequent taxes imposed by Hamas, has actually helped strengthen the group.

    While Israel's blockade has generally hurt the economy in Gaza, the tunnels have made their owners and Hamas a lot of money.

  21. By George, I think he's got it !!

    Bravo, Mr. Savage, you have summed up the Hamas strategy quite well,
    i.e. "get filthy rich off having yourself blockaded",

    All Hamas had to do to pull their sneaky little plan off was to seize power in Gaza in a bloody civil war, abrogate all previous peace treaties and declare their only goal was to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, suicide attack the humanitarian aid border crossing to Israel half a dozen times, kidnap a young Israeli conscript and hold him 5 years without a red cross visit, attempt repeatedly to smuggle in massive deliveries of long range rockets from Iran, and last but not least spray more than 20,000 rockets and mortars onto the heads of Israeli civilians, and voilà, a blockade is imposed.

    However, you did leave out the very best part of the scheme where Hamas also simultaneously gains the sympathy of naive bumpkins and rubes by the truckload for being blockaded. I bet the Hamas strategy team was giving itself high fives when they came up with that doozy.

    Hamas reminds me of Lizzie Borden, who, while being tried for killing her parents, asked the court for mercy due to her being an orphan.

    But you did get one thing wrong, Savage. It is not I saying Hamas is getting rich off the blockade, it is Al Jezeera saying it.

    here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHzL3mRP7g

    Jul 5, 2011
    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.

    It's been five years since Egypt and Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza – a siege that was aimed at weakening Hamas, which controls the Strip.

    But an underground world of smuggling tunnels, and the subsequent taxes imposed by Hamas, has actually helped strengthen the group.

    While Israel's blockade has generally hurt the economy in Gaza, the tunnels have made their owners and Hamas a lot of money.

  22. By George, I think he's got it !!

    Bravo, Mr. Savage, you have summed up the Hamas strategy quite well,
    i.e. "get filthy rich off having yourself blockaded",

    All Hamas had to do to pull their sneaky little plan off was to seize power in Gaza in a bloody civil war, abrogate all previous peace treaties and declare their only goal was to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, suicide attack the humanitarian aid border crossing to Israel half a dozen times, kidnap a young Israeli conscript and hold him 5 years without a red cross visit, attempt repeatedly to smuggle in massive deliveries of long range rockets from Iran, and last but not least spray more than 20,000 rockets and mortars onto the heads of Israeli civilians, and voilà, a blockade is imposed.

    However, you did leave out the very best part of the scheme where Hamas also simultaneously gains the sympathy of naive bumpkins and rubes by the truckload for being blockaded. I bet the Hamas strategy team was giving itself high fives when they came up with that doozy.

    Hamas reminds me of Lizzie Borden, who, while being tried for killing her parents, asked the court for mercy due to her being an orphan.

    But you did get one thing wrong, Savage. It is not I saying Hamas is getting rich off the blockade, it is Al Jezeera saying it.

    here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHzL3mRP7g

    Jul 5, 2011
    Al Jazeera's Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.

    It's been five years since Egypt and Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza – a siege that was aimed at weakening Hamas, which controls the Strip.

    But an underground world of smuggling tunnels, and the subsequent taxes imposed by Hamas, has actually helped strengthen the group.

    While Israel's blockade has generally hurt the economy in Gaza, the tunnels have made their owners and Hamas a lot of money.

  23. So it’s Hamas & “the foreign fanatics worldwide” who maintain Gaza’s blockade, & not Israel that blockades Gaza, to believe Judonimh !!

    & Israel which dominates the powerful US / ( pro – )Western media is getting globally cornered by this Hamas – volunteer combine alone…. & not by her own blockade !!

    Well, the Hamas legend sure grows. Its strategists must be past masters.

    “Blockade yourself ! & get rich off it !! AND corner the region’s mightiest army !!” Why didn’t anyone think of this one before ???

    So why doesn’t Israel drop the blockade, in order to defeat this insidious Hamas plot AND foil those “the foreign fanatics worldwide”, one wonders……

  24. By George, I think he’s got it !!

    Bravo, Mr. Savage, you have summed up the Hamas strategy quite well,
    i.e. “get filthy rich off having yourself blockaded”,

    All Hamas had to do to pull their sneaky little plan off was to seize power in Gaza in a bloody civil war, abrogate all previous peace treaties and declare their only goal was to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews, suicide attack the humanitarian aid border crossing to Israel half a dozen times, kidnap a young Israeli conscript and hold him 5 years without a red cross visit, attempt repeatedly to smuggle in massive deliveries of long range rockets from Iran, and last but not least spray more than 20,000 rockets and mortars onto the heads of Israeli civilians, and voilà, a blockade is imposed.

    However, you did leave out the very best part of the scheme where Hamas also simultaneously gains the sympathy of naive bumpkins and rubes by the truckload for being blockaded. I bet the Hamas strategy team was giving itself high fives when they came up with that doozy.

    Hamas reminds me of Lizzie Borden, who, while being tried for killing her parents, asked the court for mercy due to her being an orphan.

    But you did get one thing wrong, Savage. It is not I saying Hamas is getting rich off the blockade, it is Al Jezeera saying it.

    here :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLHzL3mRP7g

    Jul 5, 2011
    Al Jazeera’s Nicole Johnston reports from Gaza.

    It’s been five years since Egypt and Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza – a siege that was aimed at weakening Hamas, which controls the Strip.

    But an underground world of smuggling tunnels, and the subsequent taxes imposed by Hamas, has actually helped strengthen the group.

    While Israel’s blockade has generally hurt the economy in Gaza, the tunnels have made their owners and Hamas a lot of money.