Comments on: A Clear Scientific Consensus that the Death Penalty does NOT Deter http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/ The Amnesty International USA Blog Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:29:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: FBI: States without capital punishment generally had lower homicide rates than the states that execute | Kentucky Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-12673 FBI: States without capital punishment generally had lower homicide rates than the states that execute | Kentucky Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:52:44 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-12673 [...] murdered last year is nothing to be proud of, but by now it should be clear to all that, as the consensus of criminologists agree, the death penalty has nothing to do with solving this [...] [...] murdered last year is nothing to be proud of, but by now it should be clear to all that, as the consensus of criminologists agree, the death penalty has nothing to do with solving this [...]

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]]> By: Police Chiefs to Death Penalty: Drop Dead | Human Rights Now - Amnesty International USA Blog http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-11710 Police Chiefs to Death Penalty: Drop Dead | Human Rights Now - Amnesty International USA Blog Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:59:20 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-11710 [...] by a more than 2 to 1 margin reject the idea that the death penalty is a deterrent (an assessment confirmed by criminologists),  and, also by a greater than 2 to 1 margin, believe that the death penalty is used as a [...] [...] by a more than 2 to 1 margin reject the idea that the death penalty is a deterrent (an assessment confirmed by criminologists),  and, also by a greater than 2 to 1 margin, believe that the death penalty is used as a [...]

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]]> By: Former supporter of CP http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-10654 Former supporter of CP Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:38:13 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-10654 For me, one false execution is one too many. The recent developments surrounding Cameron Todd Willingham (who was executed), sickens me. The execution of Girves Davis (who was retarded AND illiterate and signed a murder confession and the LEOs knew it) sickened me. FYI, it was watching my aunt deal with the murder of my cousin that changed my mind. She said that God's law should only be enacted by God and no one else--Life without parole was the only choice for our loved one's perp-no more and no less. How many cases have we seen in this country where one person was sent to death row for a crime only to find out that the actual perpetrator committed ANOTHER MURDER or another violent crime? Deterrent?- I think not and the fact that an innocent person is sent to prison or death row is the biggest slap in the face to the murder victim's families. To Mr/Ms Capital Punishment, for every Marvallous Keene, I can counter with a Clarence Brandley, Kerry Max Cook, Paul House, Shareef Cousin, Delbert Tibbs, Leonel Herrera, Glen Edward Chapman, and that's the just the tip of the iceberg. For those who present the lame argument that race has nothing to do with sentencing, or the lame reason that blacks are sentenced more often is because they commit more crimes, do tell us why the Innocence Project states that more blacks are EXONERATED? Please don't cite the usual band of stats from Uniform Crime reports as they are only based on arrests, and not convictions and please avoid the klan-esque New Century Foundation or national policy institue. For me, one false execution is one too many. The recent developments surrounding Cameron Todd Willingham (who was executed), sickens me. The execution of Girves Davis (who was retarded AND illiterate and signed a murder confession and the LEOs knew it) sickened me. FYI, it was watching my aunt deal with the murder of my cousin that changed my mind. She said that God’s law should only be enacted by God and no one else–Life without parole was the only choice for our loved one’s perp-no more and no less.

How many cases have we seen in this country where one person was sent to death row for a crime only to find out that the actual perpetrator committed ANOTHER MURDER or another violent crime? Deterrent?- I think not and the fact that an innocent person is sent to prison or death row is the biggest slap in the face to the murder victim’s families.

To Mr/Ms Capital Punishment, for every Marvallous Keene, I can counter with a Clarence Brandley, Kerry Max Cook, Paul House, Shareef Cousin, Delbert Tibbs, Leonel Herrera, Glen Edward Chapman, and that’s the just the tip of the iceberg.

For those who present the lame argument that race has nothing to do with sentencing, or the lame reason that blacks are sentenced more often is because they commit more crimes, do tell us why the Innocence Project states that more blacks are EXONERATED? Please don’t cite the usual band of stats from Uniform Crime reports as they are only based on arrests, and not convictions and please avoid the klan-esque New Century Foundation or national policy institue.

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]]> By: Glen Harvey http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-9501 Glen Harvey Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:02:56 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-9501 Let's be real clear on this idea for my own personal course of action that is not subject to the deep thinkers who have already done enough damage to our culture, if you kill me or someone in my family through an act act of murder i.e. drive by shootings, bank robbery, home invasion, etc you should and will lose your life. I don't care how you lose it. You have given up all rights to life when you take someone else's. So there it is, clear, precise and exactly what I believe and would enforce.......Let's leave God, the president, the EU, and all the other free thinkers out of the argument. Justice is served when justice is understood and accepted...... Let’s be real clear on this idea for my own personal course of action that is not subject to the deep thinkers who have already done enough damage to our culture, if you kill me or someone in my family through an act act of murder i.e. drive by shootings, bank robbery, home invasion, etc you should and will lose your life. I don’t care how you lose it. You have given up all rights to life when you take someone else’s. So there it is, clear, precise and exactly what I believe and would enforce…….Let’s leave God, the president, the EU, and all the other free thinkers out of the argument. Justice is served when justice is understood and accepted……

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]]> By: Josh http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-9500 Josh Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:51:38 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-9500 Glen, whether you personally consider it a justification for the death penalty, or whether you consider it irrelevant to the debate, for many people, the view that the death penalty deters is a premier justification for capital punishment. The argument that killing the bad stops killing the good is a strong moral argument, and when you remove it, you're left with the harsh reality: taxpayer funded judicially-sanctioned killing. If killing serves no purpose, it is, to quote Justice White, "the needless extinction of life with only marginal contributions to any discernible social or public purposes", which "would be patently excessive". Morality is certainly not the job of government - if it was, the argument that. government should take a life for a life simply as a moral statement would have more weight. Glen, whether you personally consider it a justification for the death penalty, or whether you consider it irrelevant to the debate, for many people, the view that the death penalty deters is a premier justification for capital punishment. The argument that killing the bad stops killing the good is a strong moral argument, and when you remove it, you’re left with the harsh reality: taxpayer funded judicially-sanctioned killing. If killing serves no purpose, it is, to quote Justice White, “the needless extinction of life with only marginal contributions to any discernible social or public purposes”, which “would be patently excessive”.

Morality is certainly not the job of government – if it was, the argument that. government should take a life for a life simply as a moral statement would have more weight.

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]]> By: U.S. Homicide Rates and the Death Penalty | Human Rights Now - Amnesty International USA Blog http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-9381 U.S. Homicide Rates and the Death Penalty | Human Rights Now - Amnesty International USA Blog Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:04:40 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-9381 [...] murdered last year is nothing to be proud of, but by now it should be clear to all that, as the consensus of criminologists agree, the death penalty has nothing to do with solving this [...] [...] murdered last year is nothing to be proud of, but by now it should be clear to all that, as the consensus of criminologists agree, the death penalty has nothing to do with solving this [...]

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]]> By: Glen Harvey http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-5153 Glen Harvey Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:01:41 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-5153 Gee....What are the chances he will do this again....Scientist's, wea re waiting for your empirical eveidence :}..... Gee….What are the chances he will do this again….Scientist’s, wea re waiting for your empirical eveidence :}…..

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]]> By: Capital Punishment http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-5152 Capital Punishment Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:58:05 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-5152 Marvallous Keene executed in Ohio. 1992 Christmas killing spree in Dayton, Ohio left 6 people dead. Among the victims: An 18 year old mother A 38 year old woman working as a convenient store cashier who was shot in the head after handing over $30 A Marvin Washington and a Wendy Cottrill who were a couple of teenagers that Keene knew and feared would turn him in Start the violons for this cold-blooded killer Thank you Gov (D) Ted Strickland for denying clemency for this man Marvallous Keene executed in Ohio.

1992 Christmas killing spree in Dayton, Ohio left 6 people dead. Among the victims:

An 18 year old mother

A 38 year old woman working as a convenient store cashier who was shot in the head after handing over $30

A Marvin Washington and a Wendy Cottrill who were a couple of teenagers that Keene knew and feared would turn him in

Start the violons for this cold-blooded killer

Thank you Gov (D) Ted Strickland for denying clemency for this man

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]]> By: Kmuzu http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-5100 Kmuzu Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:22:26 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-5100 It deters life. It deters life.

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]]> By: Glen Harvey http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/a-clear-scientific-consensus-that-the-death-penalty-does-not-deter/comment-page-1/#comment-5096 Glen Harvey Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:56:06 +0000 http://blog.amnestyusa.org/?p=2563#comment-5096 This type of thinking is part of the problem..We are not trying to show people killing is wrong.....We are trying to demonstrate to those who would purposely take someone else's life that theirs will be forfeited as well...Morality, as many of you liberals point out, is not the job of the government but starts in the home.... This type of thinking is part of the problem..We are not trying to show people killing is wrong…..We are trying to demonstrate to those who would purposely take someone else’s life that theirs will be forfeited as well…Morality, as many of you liberals point out, is not the job of the government but starts in the home….

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