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	<title>Comments on: Yahoo! needs to click its refresh button on Internet Censorship in China</title>
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		<title>By: Actuality Junkie</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/business/yahoo-needs-to-click-its-refresh-button-on-internet-censorship-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-4825</link>
		<dc:creator>Actuality Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate your people being interested in these things, much more so than outside forces like Amnesty International pushing for change.

I disagree that big corporations are sacrificing people&#039;s rights for profit, instead I would say they are simply complying with the law of the land. I promise you don&#039;t want to live in a nation where the corporations control the government that easily - fascism is no picnic.

If you want change, then do what it takes to get the laws changed. If enough of your people want it, the government will have to concede. A government functions at the will of the people. Until the people have the will to enforce change the government, it will not see the need to change.

There are many times I have thought the US should be more like China, by being a lot less concerned about what the rest of the world thinks.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate your people being interested in these things, much more so than outside forces like Amnesty International pushing for change.</p>
<p>I disagree that big corporations are sacrificing people&#8217;s rights for profit, instead I would say they are simply complying with the law of the land. I promise you don&#8217;t want to live in a nation where the corporations control the government that easily &#8211; fascism is no picnic.</p>
<p>If you want change, then do what it takes to get the laws changed. If enough of your people want it, the government will have to concede. A government functions at the will of the people. Until the people have the will to enforce change the government, it will not see the need to change.</p>
<p>There are many times I have thought the US should be more like China, by being a lot less concerned about what the rest of the world thinks.</p>
<p>Peace.
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		<title>By: Allison Yang</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/business/yahoo-needs-to-click-its-refresh-button-on-internet-censorship-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-4823</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there

Thanks for your long and sincere response
people in China too, hates the internet censorship. some of us using proxy or some program to break the block. but big corporations are sacrificing people&#039;s right to knowledge only for profit, I am all against them
But meanwhile, I have little faith in persuading them not doing so, after all they are profit companies and china&#039;s too large a market to ignore. and our government is particularly sensitive on this issue.
I expect changes resulted from education, esp media education. the more you know media is not trustworthy and the more you are curious to find the truth, the more effort you will pay in trying
as for the leak of personal information, we are angry towards it. but the truth is, more or less, we know that in china phone calls and emails are of course under supervision, so self-censorship became very common.
I hope organizations like amnesty will keep pushing chinese government, though I doubt change will happen

allison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there</p>
<p>Thanks for your long and sincere response<br />
people in China too, hates the internet censorship. some of us using proxy or some program to break the block. but big corporations are sacrificing people&#8217;s right to knowledge only for profit, I am all against them<br />
But meanwhile, I have little faith in persuading them not doing so, after all they are profit companies and china&#8217;s too large a market to ignore. and our government is particularly sensitive on this issue.<br />
I expect changes resulted from education, esp media education. the more you know media is not trustworthy and the more you are curious to find the truth, the more effort you will pay in trying<br />
as for the leak of personal information, we are angry towards it. but the truth is, more or less, we know that in china phone calls and emails are of course under supervision, so self-censorship became very common.<br />
I hope organizations like amnesty will keep pushing chinese government, though I doubt change will happen</p>
<p>allison
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		<title>By: Actuality Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Actuality Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison,

By &quot;ancestor&quot; I am referring to my direct American lineage. I can trace my family back to members who fought in the American Revolution against England, securing my privileges (or &quot;rights&quot; as you might call them) in the United States.

Since then I have had family members, that I am aware of, in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, acting to defend the interests of my nation. I myself served nearly a decade in the armed forces, in combat zones on three continents. I only left that obligation to care for my terminally ill wife.

I believe it is the role of a nations people to secure the lifestyle they desire. It is not for other nations to tell them how to handle themselves.

Yahoo is a corporation that has been in existence since 1994. China has 6000 years of history, and has influenced culture around the world. It is the birthplace of Shingdi, Confucianism, and Taoism. They field the largest military force on earth, and are a nuclear power. They have the second largest GDP on the planet, and 1/7th of the worlds people. They are a founding member of the UN, and hold one of its five permanent seats. Yet AIUSA somehow believes it is in the realms of reason to hold Yahoo!, known for offering web portal and seach engine services, accountable for the development of this nation.

This is no different than an Islamic nation coming to the United States, and demanding we incorporate Sharia law so that they can do business in our nation in a way to which they are accustomed. China is a sovereign nation with their own laws, and customs. If Yahoo! wants to do business there, they have to play by China&#039;s rules, not ours. 

The lack of logic in this AIUSA article is mind-boggling. Do they actually believe China incapable of developing these services on their own? Do they think that denying these services to China will force them to open up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison,</p>
<p>By &#8220;ancestor&#8221; I am referring to my direct American lineage. I can trace my family back to members who fought in the American Revolution against England, securing my privileges (or &#8220;rights&#8221; as you might call them) in the United States.</p>
<p>Since then I have had family members, that I am aware of, in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, acting to defend the interests of my nation. I myself served nearly a decade in the armed forces, in combat zones on three continents. I only left that obligation to care for my terminally ill wife.</p>
<p>I believe it is the role of a nations people to secure the lifestyle they desire. It is not for other nations to tell them how to handle themselves.</p>
<p>Yahoo is a corporation that has been in existence since 1994. China has 6000 years of history, and has influenced culture around the world. It is the birthplace of Shingdi, Confucianism, and Taoism. They field the largest military force on earth, and are a nuclear power. They have the second largest GDP on the planet, and 1/7th of the worlds people. They are a founding member of the UN, and hold one of its five permanent seats. Yet AIUSA somehow believes it is in the realms of reason to hold Yahoo!, known for offering web portal and seach engine services, accountable for the development of this nation.</p>
<p>This is no different than an Islamic nation coming to the United States, and demanding we incorporate Sharia law so that they can do business in our nation in a way to which they are accustomed. China is a sovereign nation with their own laws, and customs. If Yahoo! wants to do business there, they have to play by China&#8217;s rules, not ours. </p>
<p>The lack of logic in this AIUSA article is mind-boggling. Do they actually believe China incapable of developing these services on their own? Do they think that denying these services to China will force them to open up?
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		<title>By: Allison Yang</title>
		<link>http://blog.amnestyusa.org/business/yahoo-needs-to-click-its-refresh-button-on-internet-censorship-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-4795</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with all due respect
I am curious, by your ancestor you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with all due respect<br />
I am curious, by your ancestor you mean?
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		<title>By: Actuality Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Actuality Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Bartz is absolutely, 100% correct in what she said. Yahoo! is not tasked with fixing China. That isn&#039;t the responsibility of the U.S, or Russia, or Germany, or any other nation other than... say it with me... China!!

The Chinese government has no obligation they have not previously agreed upon to anyone except their own people. It is the responsibility of their people to fix any problems that may exist in their government. My ancestors stood up to their oppressive government, and a bunch of them died doing it, but thanks to them I&#039;m better off now. China&#039;s population needs to step up. As it stands China is a  sovereign nation, truly answerable to nothing outside their own borders. If you don&#039;t like how they do business, don&#039;t do business with them.

And therein lies the key to this... Until you can create a situation where it is in their best interests to comply, they will simply, maybe even politely, tell you to pack sand. Of course if you think China lacks the resources to recover from losing internet services, you&#039;re sadly mistaken. All that will accomplish is causing them to become ever more isolated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Bartz is absolutely, 100% correct in what she said. Yahoo! is not tasked with fixing China. That isn&#8217;t the responsibility of the U.S, or Russia, or Germany, or any other nation other than&#8230; say it with me&#8230; China!!</p>
<p>The Chinese government has no obligation they have not previously agreed upon to anyone except their own people. It is the responsibility of their people to fix any problems that may exist in their government. My ancestors stood up to their oppressive government, and a bunch of them died doing it, but thanks to them I&#8217;m better off now. China&#8217;s population needs to step up. As it stands China is a  sovereign nation, truly answerable to nothing outside their own borders. If you don&#8217;t like how they do business, don&#8217;t do business with them.</p>
<p>And therein lies the key to this&#8230; Until you can create a situation where it is in their best interests to comply, they will simply, maybe even politely, tell you to pack sand. Of course if you think China lacks the resources to recover from losing internet services, you&#8217;re sadly mistaken. All that will accomplish is causing them to become ever more isolated.
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