UN official says Sri Lankan execution video authentic, calls for war crimes investigation

We mentioned in this site last August that a shocking video had been released which appeared to show extrajudicial killings in Sri Lanka during the final months of the war between the Sri Lankan government and the opposition Tamil Tigers.  The Sri Lankan government had denounced the video as a fake.  Today, a senior UN official presented the findings of three experts commissioned by him, which concluded that the video was authentic.   The official called for an independent inquiry into war crimes and other violations of human rights and humanitarian law committed during the war in Sri Lanka.   (The Sri Lankan government later criticized the UN official for publicly presenting his findings without first allowing the Sri Lankan government to respond.)

Separately today, the spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said that the Secretary-General is considering appointing a commission of experts to advise him on addressing possible violations of human rights and international humanitarian law in Sri Lanka.

Amnesty International has been calling for an international, independent investigation into reports of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, including war crimes, by both sides during the closing stages of the war in Sri Lanka.  Will today’s statements at the UN mean that we may finally see such an investigation sometime soon?

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547 thoughts on “UN official says Sri Lankan execution video authentic, calls for war crimes investigation

  1. These scenes, captured on video are shocking !!!

    They allegedly show extra-judicial killings of Tamils by Sri Lankan troops earlier this year in the bitter and bloody endgame of the country’s civil war.
    These poor men are young, naked, bound and blindfolded.

    A soldier approaches in what appears to be Sri Lankan army uniform and shoots him at point-blank range, apparently amused at the death.

    “It’s like he jumped,” he says. After the murder the video, taken in daylight, pans out to show eight bound corpses, all shot in the head and all but one naked.

    Voices in the background speak Sinhalese; as the footage concludes, viewers see a ninth bound victim.

    The significance of this footage – particularly shocking for the seemingly casual way in which the killings were carried out.

  2. if this video footage is true,these sri lankas need to be lined up and shot without trial as did the victims.we are far to soft on murderers.

  3. Everybody !!

    The footage has been proven to be taken elsewhere and has been proven to be bad acting (as positions changing, dead people breathing and legs moving etc.) Everyone knows that 99% of Sri Lankan population can speak Sinhalese.

    I seriously cannot fathom how people could bring stuff like this up over and over again and why certain people are blind to the fact of there is false propaganda against the GOSL??

    These are deliberate attempts by the remaining tails of the Terrorist organization LTTE to create chaos in what ever way they can. it is so unfortunate that respectable organizations themselves fall in to these traps – it is either tunnel vision, lack of vision altogether, being irresponsible or deliberate attempt to go against the GOSL that I feel prompts these organizations to harp on what a terrorist organization would say.

    Very disappointing…….

  4. The Sri Lankan government has slammed the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Prof. Philip Alston for making public, findings of a 3 member panel probing the controversial Channel 4 video even before Sri Lanka could respond to the revelations.

    Foreign Minister Rohitha Bogollagama responding to the statement made by the Special Rapporteur said that the conduct of Mr. Alston was a breach of diplomatic procedures.

    “My Ministry has communicated in this regard both to the Special Rapporteur as well as to the UN Secretariat in New York that the Public Statement in New York is a violation of all the accepted procedures of the United Nations and the norms of justice and fair play, Bogollagama told Daily Mirror online.

    The Minister claims that proper procedure would have allowed for a formal response by the Government of Sri Lanka prior to matters being made public.

    “The correct procedure would have been for Prof. Alston to first convey the findings of the “independent experts” to our Government. Thereafter the Government should have been given enough time to respond and this in turn should be taken into account by Prof. Alston, prior to deciding on any future course of action,” he said.

    Bogollagama cast doubt on the findings of the report and the certainty of the experts appointed to examine the video. “It is also important to note that the findings of the experts are quite ambiguous. For example one expert has written that what was submitted to him “cannot be authenticated to an absolute certainty”, he told Daily Mirror online.

    The Foreign Minister charged that the Special Rapporteur had ignored the very findings of his experts in an attempt to influence the elections in Sri Lanka. “Therefore Prof. Alston’s rush and determination to go public, ignoring procedure and the very opinions of the ‘experts’ must make us question whether he is targeting our country and deliberately timing his actions to coincide with the current sensitive phase of national elections,” Bogollagama told Daily Mirror online.

  5. These scenes, captured on video are shocking !!!

    They allegedly show extra-judicial killings of Tamils by Sri Lankan troops earlier this year in the bitter and bloody endgame of the country’s civil war.
    These poor men are young, naked, bound and blindfolded.

    A soldier approaches in what appears to be Sri Lankan army uniform and shoots him at point-blank range, apparently amused at the death.

    “It’s like he jumped,” he says. After the murder the video, taken in daylight, pans out to show eight bound corpses, all shot in the head and all but one naked.

    Voices in the background speak Sinhalese; as the footage concludes, viewers see a ninth bound victim.

    The significance of this footage – particularly shocking for the seemingly casual way in which the killings were carried out.

  6. if this video footage is true,these sri lankas need to be lined up and shot without trial as did the victims.we are far to soft on murderers.

  7. Everybody !!

    The footage has been proven to be taken elsewhere and has been proven to be bad acting (as positions changing, dead people breathing and legs moving etc.) Everyone knows that 99% of Sri Lankan population can speak Sinhalese.

    I seriously cannot fathom how people could bring stuff like this up over and over again and why certain people are blind to the fact of there is false propaganda against the GOSL??

    These are deliberate attempts by the remaining tails of the Terrorist organization LTTE to create chaos in what ever way they can. it is so unfortunate that respectable organizations themselves fall in to these traps – it is either tunnel vision, lack of vision altogether, being irresponsible or deliberate attempt to go against the GOSL that I feel prompts these organizations to harp on what a terrorist organization would say.

    Very disappointing…….

  8. The Sri Lankan government has slammed the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Prof. Philip Alston for making public, findings of a 3 member panel probing the controversial Channel 4 video even before Sri Lanka could respond to the revelations.

    Foreign Minister Rohitha Bogollagama responding to the statement made by the Special Rapporteur said that the conduct of Mr. Alston was a breach of diplomatic procedures.

    “My Ministry has communicated in this regard both to the Special Rapporteur as well as to the UN Secretariat in New York that the Public Statement in New York is a violation of all the accepted procedures of the United Nations and the norms of justice and fair play, Bogollagama told Daily Mirror online.

    The Minister claims that proper procedure would have allowed for a formal response by the Government of Sri Lanka prior to matters being made public.

    “The correct procedure would have been for Prof. Alston to first convey the findings of the “independent experts” to our Government. Thereafter the Government should have been given enough time to respond and this in turn should be taken into account by Prof. Alston, prior to deciding on any future course of action,” he said.

    Bogollagama cast doubt on the findings of the report and the certainty of the experts appointed to examine the video. “It is also important to note that the findings of the experts are quite ambiguous. For example one expert has written that what was submitted to him “cannot be authenticated to an absolute certainty”, he told Daily Mirror online.

    The Foreign Minister charged that the Special Rapporteur had ignored the very findings of his experts in an attempt to influence the elections in Sri Lanka. “Therefore Prof. Alston’s rush and determination to go public, ignoring procedure and the very opinions of the ‘experts’ must make us question whether he is targeting our country and deliberately timing his actions to coincide with the current sensitive phase of national elections,” Bogollagama told Daily Mirror online.

  9. No one should downplay, excuse or explain away the inhuman treatment of prisoners as clearly shown by the video footage.

    Firstly, I wish to emphasize that we are all first and foremost united by our common humanity, over and above such labels as “Tamil”, “Sri Lankan”, “Jewish”, or whatever.

    If you do not feel any sense of compassion for your fellow man then I would invite you to look within yourself and ask why.

    Compassion is not to be confused with taking sides- it is the basic tenet of being human; and without it we are poorer.

    Secondly, to the comments which explain away the behavior captured on the video as being a hazard of war and inevitable; or that these people deserved it for previous actions, I would wholeheartedly refute this.

    If that was the case then once a war had begun there would be license to treat members of the opposing side however one would like

    . The Geneva Convention is a universally agreed set of rules set up in response to some of the atrocities committed during the Second World War (I’m sure we all know how the Nazis treated “prisoners of war”), in the hope that they would never be repeated and that a basic level of humanity could be afforded prisoners of war and civilians.

  10. Yes as Sinhalese we won the war, but we have a greater war ahead of us.

    To bring peace to our country.

    End of warfare is not fulfillment of peace.

    How can we justify Hiroshima style massacre.

    JVP and Sinhalese youth went through similar situation like the Tamils in north.

    Even dogs don’t party over dead dogs…do they?

    Let the Sri Lankan government face the true facts with courage as it face the war.

    Whoever the soldier in the picture knows what he did.

    Sri Lankan army this type of brutality needs to be condemned.

    Those who condone to such violence will have blood on their hands too.

    We cannot bring the dead to life but we can prevent more being taken to death.

    Let us not give our souls to evil.

    We have become a race who claims to be Buddhist but doesn’t follow the teachings of Buddha.

    This is a disgrace to the valiant soldiers and will be a disgrace to them until the perpetrators are brought to justice.

    This is a disgrace to the valiant soldiers and will be a disgrace to them until the perpetrators are brought to justice.

  11. The Sri Lankan government killed 17 members of my family in 2009 alone – I am of Tamil origin.

    My husband and I are still looking for a number of relatives and of those we have managed to trace, most of them are now disabled/sick due to the genocidal acts committed by the Sri Lankan government.

    We, the Tamils, knew that the footage was true as this is what we have been facing for years now.

    No one can bring back my relatives.

    But, we deserve justice.

    Let there be a war crimes investigation.

    Moreover, we still need a fair and just system for those who have been unfortunate enough to survive, but are now living under the tortuous Sri Lankan government.

    My 34 year old husband, residing in London now, still wakes up from his nightmares of the times when he was tortured by the Sri Lankan Sinhala government.

    He was just 12 years old when he was tortured.

    Why? – because he was a Tamil.

    We all have painful recollections and we have been living in hell.

    Only the international community can assist the Tamils to live happily and independently.

    The world justice system needs to ensure our security.

  12. No one should downplay, excuse or explain away the inhuman treatment of prisoners as clearly shown by the video footage.

    Firstly, I wish to emphasize that we are all first and foremost united by our common humanity, over and above such labels as “Tamil”, “Sri Lankan”, “Jewish”, or whatever.

    If you do not feel any sense of compassion for your fellow man then I would invite you to look within yourself and ask why.

    Compassion is not to be confused with taking sides- it is the basic tenet of being human; and without it we are poorer.

    Secondly, to the comments which explain away the behavior captured on the video as being a hazard of war and inevitable; or that these people deserved it for previous actions, I would wholeheartedly refute this.

    If that was the case then once a war had begun there would be license to treat members of the opposing side however one would like

    . The Geneva Convention is a universally agreed set of rules set up in response to some of the atrocities committed during the Second World War (I’m sure we all know how the Nazis treated “prisoners of war”), in the hope that they would never be repeated and that a basic level of humanity could be afforded prisoners of war and civilians.

  13. Yes as Sinhalese we won the war, but we have a greater war ahead of us.

    To bring peace to our country.

    End of warfare is not fulfillment of peace.

    How can we justify Hiroshima style massacre.

    JVP and Sinhalese youth went through similar situation like the Tamils in north.

    Even dogs don’t party over dead dogs…do they?

    Let the Sri Lankan government face the true facts with courage as it face the war.

    Whoever the soldier in the picture knows what he did.

    Sri Lankan army this type of brutality needs to be condemned.

    Those who condone to such violence will have blood on their hands too.

    We cannot bring the dead to life but we can prevent more being taken to death.

    Let us not give our souls to evil.

    We have become a race who claims to be Buddhist but doesn’t follow the teachings of Buddha.

    This is a disgrace to the valiant soldiers and will be a disgrace to them until the perpetrators are brought to justice.

    This is a disgrace to the valiant soldiers and will be a disgrace to them until the perpetrators are brought to justice.

  14. Jim Pappa

    Are you an independent video analysis expert, a forensic pathologist, and a firearms expert to refute the execution video authenticity?

  15. The Sri Lankan government killed 17 members of my family in 2009 alone – I am of Tamil origin.

    My husband and I are still looking for a number of relatives and of those we have managed to trace, most of them are now disabled/sick due to the genocidal acts committed by the Sri Lankan government.

    We, the Tamils, knew that the footage was true as this is what we have been facing for years now.

    No one can bring back my relatives.

    But, we deserve justice.

    Let there be a war crimes investigation.

    Moreover, we still need a fair and just system for those who have been unfortunate enough to survive, but are now living under the tortuous Sri Lankan government.

    My 34 year old husband, residing in London now, still wakes up from his nightmares of the times when he was tortured by the Sri Lankan Sinhala government.

    He was just 12 years old when he was tortured.

    Why? – because he was a Tamil.

    We all have painful recollections and we have been living in hell.

    Only the international community can assist the Tamils to live happily and independently.

    The world justice system needs to ensure our security.

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  17. Why not have some sort of independent review of the footage. This should be completely unrelated to either the Sri Lankan Government or the U.N. If the footage is indeed found to be fraudulent – great! But I suspect that it is genuine judging by some of the posts here. To quote Shakespeare: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  18. Jim Pappa

    Are you an independent video analysis expert, a forensic pathologist, and a firearms expert to refute the execution video authenticity?

  19. Why not have some sort of independent review of the footage. This should be completely unrelated to either the Sri Lankan Government or the U.N. If the footage is indeed found to be fraudulent – great! But I suspect that it is genuine judging by some of the posts here. To quote Shakespeare: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  20. It is confirmed by experts, many media coverd the news, Is it UN goining to investigate?

    U.N. investigator says video of executions appears to be authentic http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/un.sr

    Even 86 years old Pirapaharan's father passes away in SLA custody?

    How long sri lanka's friently nations, some of UN's staffs can cover up these crimes?

    UN demands independent inquiry into attrocities in Sri Lanka http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/un-demands-inde

  21. Krishna,

    Are you an independent video analysis expert, a forensic pathologist, and a firearms expert to refute the execution video authenticity?

    No I am not, Are you one to say that it is right??

    I am only giving you the evidence as shown on video's where dead people change positions – very amazing – may be Jesus Christ was there to give them life or this is the next prophet who resurrected from the dead !! Amazing !!

    My first doubt is when the news was shown on Channel 4 and not CNN. If the video is so authentic and right, why not give it to the most watched news channel in the world than an unheard channel in the UK that supports the Terrorist group and has personal grudges against the Government of SL ??

  22. It is confirmed by experts, many media coverd the news, Is it UN goining to investigate?

    U.N. investigator says video of executions appears to be authentic http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/un.sr

    Even 86 years old Pirapaharan's father passes away in SLA custody?

    How long sri lanka's friently nations, some of UN's staffs can cover up these crimes?

    UN demands independent inquiry into attrocities in Sri Lanka http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/un-demands-inde

  23. It is confirmed by experts, many media coverd the news, Is it UN goining to investigate?

    U.N. investigator says video of executions appears to be authentic http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/un.sr

    Even 86 years old Pirapaharan's father passes away in SLA custody?

    How long sri lanka's friently nations, some of UN's staffs can cover up these crimes?

    UN demands independent inquiry into attrocities in Sri Lanka http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/un-demands-inde

  24. Buddhist,

    We won the war as Sri Lankans. Not as Singhales or Tamils or Muslims or any other of the 20 + ethnic groups that live in this country.

    I totally agree with you that it is not done when it comes to killing innocent civilians and I trust 100% that the Army did not do it as I know for a fact that the war was to save the Country which includes the citizens of the country immaterial of Ethnicity.

    However, personally I don't have any issue in getting rid of a terrorist in whatever manner becuase it would never end if not. However, I seriously doubt the authenticity of this particular video due to many reasons and the Number 1 being bad acting. Also, don't the Army guys talk in Tamil at the very beginning of the video ?

    I agree with Jeff here – Carryout an independent investigation in to the video.

    Meanwhile, until such authenticity is proven, supposed to be independent organizations as Amnesty should not pass judgments and come in to conclusions, by which, mislead the rest. I would actually understand this blog posted on AI once it is proven and not just because some person makes a speech.

  25. The sinhalese suffered as much as the tamils but for different reason

    The Sinhala speaking people have been suffering from their own stupidity of having elected the wrong leaders and wrong parties for wrong reasons. The political Anagarikas dominated the Sri lankan society for the past 100 years whose only agenda has been to make Sri lanka a narrowly defined monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist country.

    The Political Anagarikas including the JVP, NFF JHU and a plethora of pressure groups lead by Safron clad anti people political elements continue to champion for a nation which has already lost its purpose for its existence. The country is not fit for purpose as its focus is and purpose is to make itself a Sinhala/Buddhist state and continue to alienate its people including Sinhala Speaking Christians.

    People should be free to live wherever they choose to make their homes. The only problem is the states determination to make the whole of the country a monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state and it continue to do so with a venom since the decimation of LTTE under the guise of development. State sponsored colonisation amounts to land grab from the very people the state is supposed to protect.

    There cannot be and will not be a monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state in Sri Lanka. Globalisation forces ensured the demise of LTTE so will be the monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state.

    Had the Sinhala/Buddhist and safron clad politicians who held sway of the state realised that the country belongs to all people and the people have a shared 2,500 years history there was no need for the Sinhalese to suffer.

    It was not the Tamil people who elected the government but the Sinhalese who were enticed by the Sinhala/Buddhist politicians. Therefore it is only reasonable for you to blame the Sinhalese. When the Sinhala Speaking people express their collective will through ballot box they should think twice before they caste their votes. For they are the people who deside which way the country is going to move, forward or backwards. Since the independence from Colonialism in Sri Lanka, the majority Sinhala Speaking people have been repeatedly hood winked by the crooks by appealing to their cheap, narrow nationalistic senses. The people who voted for their leaders have never able to see beyond their noses.

    Therefore they should have expected what they were going to reap.

  26. Shanthi V,

    First of all, I wish to ask what relation your story has with the topic here and question Jim MD and AI why Mango was Blocked again based on these posts.

    Anyways, moving forward, Shanthi has mentioned that her husband was tortured only because he was a Tamil ?

    quote – My 34 year old husband, residing in London now, still wakes up from his nightmares of the times when he was tortured by the Sri Lankan Sinhala government.

    He was just 12 years old when he was tortured.

    Why? – because he was a Tamil.

    Now Shanthi, I live in Colombo with more of a Tamil population that you can find in Jaffna. I don't see any such Tamil being tortured nor any of them (know loads of them and loads are friends) are complaining to me that they are being tortured for any reason keep aside them being Tamil.

    Such is the situation and scenario, I will have no hesitation to call you a liar. In Sri Lanka, no one was tortured during the war because of a Ethnic group that person belongs to… I don't know which country you are talking about..

  27. Krishna,

    Are you an independent video analysis expert, a forensic pathologist, and a firearms expert to refute the execution video authenticity?

    No I am not, Are you one to say that it is right??

    I am only giving you the evidence as shown on video’s where dead people change positions – very amazing – may be Jesus Christ was there to give them life or this is the next prophet who resurrected from the dead !! Amazing !!

    My first doubt is when the news was shown on Channel 4 and not CNN. If the video is so authentic and right, why not give it to the most watched news channel in the world than an unheard channel in the UK that supports the Terrorist group and has personal grudges against the Government of SL ??

  28. It is confirmed by experts, many media coverd the news, Is it UN goining to investigate?

    U.N. investigator says video of executions appears to be authentic
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/un.sri-lanka.video/

    Even 86 years old Pirapaharan’s father passes away in SLA custody?

    How long sri lanka’s friently nations, some of UN’s staffs can cover up these crimes?

    UN demands independent inquiry into attrocities in Sri Lanka
    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/un-demands-independent-inquiry-attrocities-sri-lanka

  29. Buddhist,

    We won the war as Sri Lankans. Not as Singhales or Tamils or Muslims or any other of the 20 + ethnic groups that live in this country.

    I totally agree with you that it is not done when it comes to killing innocent civilians and I trust 100% that the Army did not do it as I know for a fact that the war was to save the Country which includes the citizens of the country immaterial of Ethnicity.

    However, personally I don’t have any issue in getting rid of a terrorist in whatever manner becuase it would never end if not. However, I seriously doubt the authenticity of this particular video due to many reasons and the Number 1 being bad acting. Also, don’t the Army guys talk in Tamil at the very beginning of the video ?

    I agree with Jeff here – Carryout an independent investigation in to the video.

    Meanwhile, until such authenticity is proven, supposed to be independent organizations as Amnesty should not pass judgments and come in to conclusions, by which, mislead the rest. I would actually understand this blog posted on AI once it is proven and not just because some person makes a speech.

  30. The sinhalese suffered as much as the tamils but for different reason

    The Sinhala speaking people have been suffering from their own stupidity of having elected the wrong leaders and wrong parties for wrong reasons. The political Anagarikas dominated the Sri lankan society for the past 100 years whose only agenda has been to make Sri lanka a narrowly defined monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist country.

    The Political Anagarikas including the JVP, NFF JHU and a plethora of pressure groups lead by Safron clad anti people political elements continue to champion for a nation which has already lost its purpose for its existence. The country is not fit for purpose as its focus is and purpose is to make itself a Sinhala/Buddhist state and continue to alienate its people including Sinhala Speaking Christians.

    People should be free to live wherever they choose to make their homes. The only problem is the states determination to make the whole of the country a monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state and it continue to do so with a venom since the decimation of LTTE under the guise of development. State sponsored colonisation amounts to land grab from the very people the state is supposed to protect.

    There cannot be and will not be a monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state in Sri Lanka. Globalisation forces ensured the demise of LTTE so will be the monolithic Sinhala/Buddhist state.

    Had the Sinhala/Buddhist and safron clad politicians who held sway of the state realised that the country belongs to all people and the people have a shared 2,500 years history there was no need for the Sinhalese to suffer.

    It was not the Tamil people who elected the government but the Sinhalese who were enticed by the Sinhala/Buddhist politicians. Therefore it is only reasonable for you to blame the Sinhalese. When the Sinhala Speaking people express their collective will through ballot box they should think twice before they caste their votes. For they are the people who deside which way the country is going to move, forward or backwards. Since the independence from Colonialism in Sri Lanka, the majority Sinhala Speaking people have been repeatedly hood winked by the crooks by appealing to their cheap, narrow nationalistic senses. The people who voted for their leaders have never able to see beyond their noses.

    Therefore they should have expected what they were going to reap.

  31. Shanthi V,

    First of all, I wish to ask what relation your story has with the topic here and question Jim MD and AI why Mango was Blocked again based on these posts.

    Anyways, moving forward, Shanthi has mentioned that her husband was tortured only because he was a Tamil ?

    quote – My 34 year old husband, residing in London now, still wakes up from his nightmares of the times when he was tortured by the Sri Lankan Sinhala government.

    He was just 12 years old when he was tortured.

    Why? – because he was a Tamil.

    Now Shanthi, I live in Colombo with more of a Tamil population that you can find in Jaffna. I don’t see any such Tamil being tortured nor any of them (know loads of them and loads are friends) are complaining to me that they are being tortured for any reason keep aside them being Tamil.

    Such is the situation and scenario, I will have no hesitation to call you a liar. In Sri Lanka, no one was tortured during the war because of a Ethnic group that person belongs to… I don’t know which country you are talking about..

  32. The sadistic violence in the C4 video is a forewarning to All !!

    Head down and mouth shut…..the only safe way to keep alive in todays Sri Lanka…..

    "Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil"

  33. The sadistic violence in the C4 video is a forewarning to All !!

    Head down and mouth shut…..the only safe way to keep alive in todays Sri Lanka…..

    “Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil”

  34. In response to Jim Pappa's comments above, I'd suggest that those interested read the technical note from Alston and its appendix, containing the reports of the experts retained by him (you can find those by clicking on the third link in my post – there's a link to them at the bottom of the document). Bottom line: Sri Lankan government had experts who said video is a fake. Alston retained experts who analyzed video and reviewed government's experts' statements; Alston's experts didn't find video was a fake, from their analysis, and they refuted most of the government's experts' statements. So Alston concluded that the video was probably authentic.

    I should separately note that yesterday, the spokesperson for the U.N. Secretary-General clarified that the Secretary-General's consideration of the appointment of a commission of experts isn't new; he had been referred, in his Thursday comment, about something that the Secretary-General had told the Sri Lankan government last September – see http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2010/db1001….

  35. In response to Jim Pappa's comments above, I'd suggest that those interested read the technical note from Alston and its appendix, containing the reports of the experts retained by him (you can find those by clicking on the third link in my post – there's a link to them at the bottom of the document). Bottom line: Sri Lankan government had experts who said video is a fake. Alston retained experts who analyzed video and reviewed government's experts' statements; Alston's experts didn't find video was a fake, from their analysis, and they refuted most of the government's experts' statements. So Alston concluded that the video was probably authentic.

    I should separately note that yesterday, the spokesperson for the U.N. Secretary-General clarified that the Secretary-General's consideration of the appointment of a commission of experts isn't new; he had been referred, in his Thursday comment, about something that the Secretary-General had told the Sri Lankan government last September – see http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2010/db1001….

  36. In response to Jim Pappa's comments above, I'd suggest that those interested read the technical note from Alston and its appendix, containing the reports of the experts retained by him (you can find those by clicking on the third link in my post – there's a link to them at the bottom of the document). Bottom line: Sri Lankan government had experts who said video is a fake. Alston retained experts who analyzed video and reviewed government's experts' statements; Alston's experts didn't find video was a fake, from their analysis, and they refuted most of the government's experts' statements. So Alston concluded that the video was probably authentic.

    I should separately note that yesterday, the spokesperson for the U.N. Secretary-General clarified that the Secretary-General's consideration of the appointment of a commission of experts isn't new; he had been referred, in his Thursday comment, about something that the Secretary-General had told the Sri Lankan government last September – see http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2010/db1001….

  37. In response to Jim Pappa’s comments above, I’d suggest that those interested read the technical note from Alston and its appendix, containing the reports of the experts retained by him (you can find those by clicking on the third link in my post – there’s a link to them at the bottom of the document). Bottom line: Sri Lankan government had experts who said video is a fake. Alston retained experts who analyzed video and reviewed government’s experts’ statements; Alston’s experts didn’t find video was a fake, from their analysis, and they refuted most of the government’s experts’ statements. So Alston concluded that the video was probably authentic.

    I should separately note that yesterday, the spokesperson for the U.N. Secretary-General clarified that the Secretary-General’s consideration of the appointment of a commission of experts isn’t new; he had been referred, in his Thursday comment, about something that the Secretary-General had told the Sri Lankan government last September – see http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2010/db100108.doc.htm.

  38. Hi Jim,

    Well, a simple note as a reply !

    I don't exactly have to believe what Alston say right ?? I can always believe the first analysis done right ?? I mean I saw leg positions change and I heard them speak Tamil at the start of the video – so trust the first one and not the second that was anyway meant to negate the first.

  39. The Human Rights of Amnesty !!

    Censoring posts by Mango and keeping posts of Rohan !!

    Following is what Mango has to say !

    More bad news our resident Eelamtards and HR overlords & lecturers in AI, HRW, Int'l Crisis Group and the rest of the INGO alphabet soup.

    The Prez has opened a victory statue at Nandikadal lagoon, where the HR crowd's favourite 'rebels' were annihilated.
    The statue itself is not to my taste, but then we can't have everything can we?

    No sign of Peelam anywhere. At all. Nope.

    100,000+ Sri Lankans (mainly Muslims) expelled by the LTTE are finally returning to their homes in the North, after spending 20+ years in IDP camps. No sign of Peelam anywhere. At all. The recently displaced civilians are slowly being re-settled, as originally planned, despite the fervent hopes of the Eelamists that they'd be killed in their thousands.

    LTTE gun-running ships have been seized and are being returned to SL along with a huge haul of LTTE funds. It seems that KP simply can't stop singing. Still no signs of Peelam. Thank you, LTTE-supporting diaspora for the funds & ships, which will be used for creation rather than destruction.

    Even the Canadians are having second thoughts about accepting the incredible cultural enrichment on offer by escaping LTTE terrorists desperate to claim asylum. Hmmm…

    The Monsoon Genocide so fervently hoped for by AI and their Eelamtard supporters has not happened.

    The US has finally realised that constructive dialogue is more productive than lecturing and finger-wagging. The right to life and limb precedes an obsession with human rights and 'war crimes'.

    "….so that U.S. policy is not driven solely by short-term humanitarian concerns but rather an integrated strategy that leverages political, economic, and security tools for more effective long-term reforms.”

    True to form, AI is .."In short, Amnesty International is deeply disappointed with the senate report." Not one word about tracking down the LTTE-supporting diaspora who aided and abetted the LTTE in its own massive and continuous HR violations. AI only has eyes for SL.

    Not a word or phrase of thanks or appreciation by the AI of SL military who did the impossible and destroyed the prime causative agent of HR abuses in SL. The LTTE.

    As Churchill said, “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they've tried everything else.” The same, however cannot be said of AI and their fellow travellers.

    Amnesty's performance at the US senate hearing into SL (the obvious arrogance of the US senate holding itself as a moral arbiter would be funny were it not so hypocritical — but then the US always had a messianic 'manifest destiny' thing in their blood), proves yet again, they can only whinge and whine and not actually do anything positive to annihilate terrorism and thus generally improve HR.

    Memo to any future government. Ensure that AI are not allowed back into SL. Their partiality and hostility to SL when it really mattered has, in my view, made them NGO Non-grata. :)

    More de-mining help from India and the U.S. The list goes on and on.

    Mawatham still talking about these mythical 'Tamil Homelands' (except those areas in Colombo) and clutching at the Mahavamsa myths and legends. This is 2009. The war is finished. The Eelam project is dead, except in the hearts of grief-stricken Eelamists. The rest of SL now wants development and peace and a rest from the mad schemes of Eelamists.

    Thambi (or is it Tnabmi) is hoping that AI will get him Eelam in SL.

    But, I have good news for our 'Desperately Seeking Eelam' activists. Eelam has finally been established.

    Click on the name for the link !

    Four LTTE cadres marooned on a rock in the middle of the ocean, impotently firing their guns at the sky. A perfect metaphor for 'The Struggle'.

    Happy Human Rights Day! Now that the LTTE's been crushed, we may see some positive outcomes for HR in SL.

    Jim Pappa: let me know if you have an email I can contact you on. As you know, the HR Gods at AI still censor me; you can contact me at this email: xxxI just need to find a way distinguish your message from the Eelamists' inevitable love letters :)

  40. Have you guys read this?

    "He (Alston, the UN expert) added that there are a SMALL number of characteristics of the video which the experts were unable to explain, including the movement of certain victims in the video, 17 frames at the end of the video, and the date of 17 July 2009 encoded in the video (the conflict was officially declared over in May 2009)."

    Some small characteristics, eh?

  41. Hi Jim,

    Well, a simple note as a reply !

    I don’t exactly have to believe what Alston say right ?? I can always believe the first analysis done right ?? I mean I saw leg positions change and I heard them speak Tamil at the start of the video – so trust the first one and not the second that was anyway meant to negate the first.

  42. The Human Rights of Amnesty !!

    Censoring posts by Mango and keeping posts of Rohan !!

    Following is what Mango has to say !

    More bad news our resident Eelamtards and HR overlords & lecturers in AI, HRW, Int’l Crisis Group and the rest of the INGO alphabet soup.

    The Prez has opened a victory statue at Nandikadal lagoon, where the HR crowd’s favourite ‘rebels’ were annihilated.
    The statue itself is not to my taste, but then we can’t have everything can we?

    No sign of Peelam anywhere. At all. Nope.

    100,000+ Sri Lankans (mainly Muslims) expelled by the LTTE are finally returning to their homes in the North, after spending 20+ years in IDP camps. No sign of Peelam anywhere. At all. The recently displaced civilians are slowly being re-settled, as originally planned, despite the fervent hopes of the Eelamists that they’d be killed in their thousands.

    LTTE gun-running ships have been seized and are being returned to SL along with a huge haul of LTTE funds. It seems that KP simply can’t stop singing. Still no signs of Peelam. Thank you, LTTE-supporting diaspora for the funds & ships, which will be used for creation rather than destruction.

    Even the Canadians are having second thoughts about accepting the incredible cultural enrichment on offer by escaping LTTE terrorists desperate to claim asylum. Hmmm…

    The Monsoon Genocide so fervently hoped for by AI and their Eelamtard supporters has not happened.

    The US has finally realised that constructive dialogue is more productive than lecturing and finger-wagging. The right to life and limb precedes an obsession with human rights and ‘war crimes’.

    “….so that U.S. policy is not driven solely by short-term humanitarian concerns but rather an integrated strategy that leverages political, economic, and security tools for more effective long-term reforms.”

    True to form, AI is ..”In short, Amnesty International is deeply disappointed with the senate report.” Not one word about tracking down the LTTE-supporting diaspora who aided and abetted the LTTE in its own massive and continuous HR violations. AI only has eyes for SL.

    Not a word or phrase of thanks or appreciation by the AI of SL military who did the impossible and destroyed the prime causative agent of HR abuses in SL. The LTTE.

    As Churchill said, “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.” The same, however cannot be said of AI and their fellow travellers.

    Amnesty’s performance at the US senate hearing into SL (the obvious arrogance of the US senate holding itself as a moral arbiter would be funny were it not so hypocritical — but then the US always had a messianic ‘manifest destiny’ thing in their blood), proves yet again, they can only whinge and whine and not actually do anything positive to annihilate terrorism and thus generally improve HR.

    Memo to any future government. Ensure that AI are not allowed back into SL. Their partiality and hostility to SL when it really mattered has, in my view, made them NGO Non-grata. :)

    More de-mining help from India and the U.S. The list goes on and on.

    Mawatham still talking about these mythical ‘Tamil Homelands’ (except those areas in Colombo) and clutching at the Mahavamsa myths and legends. This is 2009. The war is finished. The Eelam project is dead, except in the hearts of grief-stricken Eelamists. The rest of SL now wants development and peace and a rest from the mad schemes of Eelamists.

    Thambi (or is it Tnabmi) is hoping that AI will get him Eelam in SL.

    But, I have good news for our ‘Desperately Seeking Eelam’ activists. Eelam has finally been established.

    Click on the name for the link !

    Four LTTE cadres marooned on a rock in the middle of the ocean, impotently firing their guns at the sky. A perfect metaphor for ‘The Struggle’.

    Happy Human Rights Day! Now that the LTTE’s been crushed, we may see some positive outcomes for HR in SL.

    Jim Pappa: let me know if you have an email I can contact you on. As you know, the HR Gods at AI still censor me; you can contact me at this email: xxxI just need to find a way distinguish your message from the Eelamists’ inevitable love letters :)

  43. Machesh !

    It is worthless talking to these guys. They all seem to have different agendas. I am voicing my opinion only to ensure that the site will not get singled out and a total outside would actually consider this Bull Shit to be true ! At least if I could show them the other side of the coin, my task is done.

  44. It is appalling to see, when reading some the above comments, where the present extremist Sri Lankan government propaganda has led the Sri Lankan society.

    One could really ask the question “Is our society still Buddhist or cannibal?” Because NO BUDDHIST COULD APPROVE the content in this video.
    Buddhism, in its pure sense, as practiced in our country, cannot approve this kind of himsa or violence even against a cruel enemy.

    The Buddha won Angulimala , the violent murderer, not by violence, but metta – loving kindness. As far as I am concerned no Buddhist, filled with metta, mudta, karuna and upekka can watch this video.

    Neither one can approve the behavior shown in it. So are ll these people who approve such behavior NOT BUDDISTS? Or have they sadly forgotten their religion, because of the JHU which preach a different religion than the Buddha taught?

    Let’s stop arguing about the authenticity of this video and discuss the erosion on our value system since JHU monks came into the parliament and dragged our nation to religious and national extremism which has blinded our eyes to the truth.

  45. Jim Pappa,

    The date on the video had changed to hide the indentify of the Sri Lankan soldier, a real Buddhist !!

    Recently shot victims have sometimes few minutes to die..

  46. “Even if it is true, we are shooting the terrorists.”

    First shooting the “terrorists”, like in this C4 video then shooting Lasantha Wickramatunga, the Sri Lankan journalist,

    There is a problem with this kind of logic ; when you start shooting everyone blindly, who is a terrorist and who is not a terrorist becomes harder and harder to define.

    That is why we should let the Courts handle these matters.

  47. Rohan – I like how you have changed your screen names – but it should be for a good cause and bringing in and ridiculing any type of religion is not quite human – you don't The Hindu writing columns here ha ?? may be the moderators should think of it of they are unbiased.

    Also it is known fact that a practicing Buddhist will always look at things and see things in Upeksha – not write rubbish on blog sites.

    Kumar !

    There is no need to hide the soldier if he is good enough to sell the video ha ? He would get enough money and protection to live in the west like the Diaspora LTTE ya ? – Also what relevance has his religion got to do with the video or his doings ? How well do you know him to know that he is not a Christian or a Muslim ? or even a Hindu – Hindu's are well known for killing a load of people in India too ha ? Like in Kashmir, Punjab and many parts ??

    I personally don't blame any religion or a religious leader because that's not what they preached – just the idiots who do so try to follow these leaders to show that they have a spiritual side to their life… What do you think the Mentally Challenged leader Piribaharan believed in ??

    The truth is that it was fabricated later… and a few LTTE like you are trying to make it look real with the support of those who live on your bribes.

  48. The GoSL’s so-called experts, far from taking the video seriously, dismissed it as fake. The GoSL, with its doctoring artists at many Sinhalese Newspapers and elsewhere in the Sri Lanka Media , even said that the video was doctored from an earlier video by the LTTE that they had known or was available on the web.

    What Alston’s experts have shown is that every claim by the GoSL ’s “experts” was false and a lie.; the Lankan experts have been shown to be clueless or worse–cheats. That the GoSL utterly lacks credibility is not something new for those of us who have known it for 20+ years, but now on an international stage, you can’t lie your way out as you do in Colombo. It is hilarious to see how Bogols..and Samarasinghe reacted to Alston’s findings.

    As for the unit number of the soldier pulling the trigger, etc., simply starting an investigation will reveal it. It is easy to find out who at JDS submitted it and from whom they got it. And the soldier at the video is easy to identify quickly within the SLA. Their human resources would have a picture database, and any standard facial recognition software will find high likelihood matches. I think many Sinhalese, in their misguided ‘patriotism’ are willing to stoop low enough to defend the lies and cover ups of the Rajapaksa regime.

    Simply proving that GoSL’s claims are a lie adds urgency for an independent international investigation. What the GoSL and its supporters fear is that such an investigation will indeed verify the Tamil claim that this video is just the tip of the iceberg. I think many Sri Lankans know deep down SL forces indulged in grave war crimes but want it all covered up. This kind of “end justifying the means” is just a mirror image of the LTTE.

  49. Lying Kumar !

    What Alston’s experts have shown is that every claim by the GoSL ’s “experts” was false and a lie.;

    Alston is what ever said and done not a Terrorist or a Mentally challenged Fat idiot. He never said that the GOSL investigators lied about the video. He only gave his opinion which also mention that he has a few doubts with the video.
    What you sorry souls of LTTE are doing is trying to make untold stories off it..

    Get a life please ! Life is better than the lie you are trying to live !

    BTW, you haven't answered my previous questions posted to you – Why Chicken like the Fat bastard Prabha ? Scared of the truth or is it the born cowardliness you guys have ??

  50. Have you guys read this?

    “He (Alston, the UN expert) added that there are a SMALL number of characteristics of the video which the experts were unable to explain, including the movement of certain victims in the video, 17 frames at the end of the video, and the date of 17 July 2009 encoded in the video (the conflict was officially declared over in May 2009).”

    Some small characteristics, eh?

  51. Machesh !

    It is worthless talking to these guys. They all seem to have different agendas. I am voicing my opinion only to ensure that the site will not get singled out and a total outside would actually consider this Bull Shit to be true ! At least if I could show them the other side of the coin, my task is done.

  52. It is appalling to see, when reading some the above comments, where the present extremist Sri Lankan government propaganda has led the Sri Lankan society.

    One could really ask the question “Is our society still Buddhist or cannibal?” Because NO BUDDHIST COULD APPROVE the content in this video.
    Buddhism, in its pure sense, as practiced in our country, cannot approve this kind of himsa or violence even against a cruel enemy.

    The Buddha won Angulimala , the violent murderer, not by violence, but metta – loving kindness. As far as I am concerned no Buddhist, filled with metta, mudta, karuna and upekka can watch this video.

    Neither one can approve the behavior shown in it. So are ll these people who approve such behavior NOT BUDDISTS? Or have they sadly forgotten their religion, because of the JHU which preach a different religion than the Buddha taught?

    Let’s stop arguing about the authenticity of this video and discuss the erosion on our value system since JHU monks came into the parliament and dragged our nation to religious and national extremism which has blinded our eyes to the truth.

  53. Jim Pappa,

    The date on the video had changed to hide the indentify of the Sri Lankan soldier, a real Buddhist !!

    Recently shot victims have sometimes few minutes to die..

  54. Tamils will always be second class citizens in a Buddhist Sinhalese dominated Sri Lanka.

    The decades of civil war and genocide perpetrated on Tamils by Sinhalese Buddhist Troops brought only untold anguish.

    The GoSL is a brutal regime which survives by the rule of fear – if it effectively terrorizes its own people, what do you think it'd be willing to do to its perceived enemies?

    It certainly does not feel that it requires a free press, an open political system or the assent of the West and whilst people in Sri Lanka are too scared to discuss the situation even in private.

  55. “Even if it is true, we are shooting the terrorists.”

    First shooting the “terrorists”, like in this C4 video then shooting Lasantha Wickramatunga, the Sri Lankan journalist,

    There is a problem with this kind of logic ; when you start shooting everyone blindly, who is a terrorist and who is not a terrorist becomes harder and harder to define.

    That is why we should let the Courts handle these matters.

  56. Rohan – I like how you have changed your screen names – but it should be for a good cause and bringing in and ridiculing any type of religion is not quite human – you don’t The Hindu writing columns here ha ?? may be the moderators should think of it of they are unbiased.

    Also it is known fact that a practicing Buddhist will always look at things and see things in Upeksha – not write rubbish on blog sites.

    Kumar !

    There is no need to hide the soldier if he is good enough to sell the video ha ? He would get enough money and protection to live in the west like the Diaspora LTTE ya ? – Also what relevance has his religion got to do with the video or his doings ? How well do you know him to know that he is not a Christian or a Muslim ? or even a Hindu – Hindu’s are well known for killing a load of people in India too ha ? Like in Kashmir, Punjab and many parts ??

    I personally don’t blame any religion or a religious leader because that’s not what they preached – just the idiots who do so try to follow these leaders to show that they have a spiritual side to their life… What do you think the Mentally Challenged leader Piribaharan believed in ??

    The truth is that it was fabricated later… and a few LTTE like you are trying to make it look real with the support of those who live on your bribes.

  57. The GoSL’s so-called experts, far from taking the video seriously, dismissed it as fake. The GoSL, with its doctoring artists at many Sinhalese Newspapers and elsewhere in the Sri Lanka Media , even said that the video was doctored from an earlier video by the LTTE that they had known or was available on the web.

    What Alston’s experts have shown is that every claim by the GoSL ’s “experts” was false and a lie.; the Lankan experts have been shown to be clueless or worse–cheats. That the GoSL utterly lacks credibility is not something new for those of us who have known it for 20+ years, but now on an international stage, you can’t lie your way out as you do in Colombo. It is hilarious to see how Bogols..and Samarasinghe reacted to Alston’s findings.

    As for the unit number of the soldier pulling the trigger, etc., simply starting an investigation will reveal it. It is easy to find out who at JDS submitted it and from whom they got it. And the soldier at the video is easy to identify quickly within the SLA. Their human resources would have a picture database, and any standard facial recognition software will find high likelihood matches. I think many Sinhalese, in their misguided ‘patriotism’ are willing to stoop low enough to defend the lies and cover ups of the Rajapaksa regime.

    Simply proving that GoSL’s claims are a lie adds urgency for an independent international investigation. What the GoSL and its supporters fear is that such an investigation will indeed verify the Tamil claim that this video is just the tip of the iceberg. I think many Sri Lankans know deep down SL forces indulged in grave war crimes but want it all covered up. This kind of “end justifying the means” is just a mirror image of the LTTE.

  58. Lying Kumar !

    What Alston’s experts have shown is that every claim by the GoSL ’s “experts” was false and a lie.;

    Alston is what ever said and done not a Terrorist or a Mentally challenged Fat idiot. He never said that the GOSL investigators lied about the video. He only gave his opinion which also mention that he has a few doubts with the video.
    What you sorry souls of LTTE are doing is trying to make untold stories off it..

    Get a life please ! Life is better than the lie you are trying to live !

    BTW, you haven’t answered my previous questions posted to you – Why Chicken like the Fat bastard Prabha ? Scared of the truth or is it the born cowardliness you guys have ??

  59. Tamils will always be second class citizens in a Buddhist Sinhalese dominated Sri Lanka.

    The decades of civil war and genocide perpetrated on Tamils by Sinhalese Buddhist Troops brought only untold anguish.

    The GoSL is a brutal regime which survives by the rule of fear – if it effectively terrorizes its own people, what do you think it’d be willing to do to its perceived enemies?

    It certainly does not feel that it requires a free press, an open political system or the assent of the West and whilst people in Sri Lanka are too scared to discuss the situation even in private.

  60. In response to Jim Pappa's comment of Jan. 10, 11:49 P.M., you're of course free to believe whatever you like. I'd just encourage everyone to read the full technical note and its appendix before asserting conclusions about what Alston said. As to what the Sri Lankan government's experts have said, I'd greatly appreciate if anyone knows how to find their reports; Alston said in his technical note that he wasn't provided them so had to rely only on what was publicly reported. If you read the reports of the experts retained by him, you'll see that some of their responses to statements made by the Sri Lankan government's experts are that the government's experts didn't provide a basis for their conclusions. The experts retained by Alston examined the video and didn't find features (including the "small characteristics" that others have referred to) that prove that the video is a fake. We have publicly reported conclusions by the government's experts, some of which are shown to be factually inaccurate and some of which don't have any reported basis, as you'll see if you read the reports of Alston's experts. To be fair to the government's experts, it'd really help if we could see their full reports.

    In response to Jim Pappa's comment of Jan. 11, 12:00 A.M., please do not reprint comments of others, such as Mango, that have been blocked by the editors of this site. You're not the editor and it is inappropriate for you to circumvent the editors' decisions. If you do so again, I'd recommend that the editors block you from further commenting on this site. Secondarily, I'd note that the comment you reprinted does not concern the topic raised in my original post. As I've said many times before, I'd ask that everyone commenting keep to the original topic posted.

  61. Jim,

    May be we will stick to what we believe in – I shall believe that the video is fake and you shall believe it is authentic.

    As for the re-print,

    My only aim was to show how you guys treat the anti LTTE guys as oppose to the LTTE guys. You even have gone to the extent of threatening to block me.
    Don't go too far, just check the post by Kumar on January 11th, 2010 at 9:03 am. What relevance does that post have to the topic ??? Why not threatening to block him ??? I didn't see you threaten Rohan (Probably the same guy) – only friendly warnings.

    See Jim, we are not trying to justify any wrong doing. As I mentioned several times before, we are against Terrorists and not any Ethnic group. Trust me we all live quite happily in this tiny Island. War usually happens between two legitimate groups. By calling what happened a War in that sense, you are trying to legitimize a Terrorist group and it is not only me or GOSL who call them Terrorists, it is the whole world and all legal governments who call them so. We also are against you trying to make the GOSL look criminals when acts of higher magnitudes are carried out by Nations in the west and USA. Why try to isolate SL ? We never saw you taking any action or at least to the extent of what you doing with the GOSL with USA or Israel – We never saw them getting pressurized at Geneve or any other HR court ??

    Isn't the "Live" footage of Israel pouring cluster bombs in Gaza authentic enough for such action ??

    Also we are not quite happy with your stand against dealing with Terrorist organizations – what is your stand on mentally challenged terrorists as Bin laden ? Do you personally think it is better for the rest of humanity if they live ? If it was in the 1800's where people actually could be surrounded and captured, you can at least think of having them poisoned. In the 21st century, with nuclear and bio warfare, do you think it is possible ?? Ain't it time for AI to separate Terrorists from legal groups ?

    Last request, prior to blocking me, block this Cut and paste guys and off topic guys. If you look at my past postings, you would see that it would always be in line with the topic or me answering someone who gets off track. Sad to see I never get any answers from the Terrorists for the questions I post. But I thank you for answering my questions.

  62. In response to Jim Pappa’s comment of Jan. 10, 11:49 P.M., you’re of course free to believe whatever you like. I’d just encourage everyone to read the full technical note and its appendix before asserting conclusions about what Alston said. As to what the Sri Lankan government’s experts have said, I’d greatly appreciate if anyone knows how to find their reports; Alston said in his technical note that he wasn’t provided them so had to rely only on what was publicly reported. If you read the reports of the experts retained by him, you’ll see that some of their responses to statements made by the Sri Lankan government’s experts are that the government’s experts didn’t provide a basis for their conclusions. The experts retained by Alston examined the video and didn’t find features (including the “small characteristics” that others have referred to) that prove that the video is a fake. We have publicly reported conclusions by the government’s experts, some of which are shown to be factually inaccurate and some of which don’t have any reported basis, as you’ll see if you read the reports of Alston’s experts. To be fair to the government’s experts, it’d really help if we could see their full reports.

    In response to Jim Pappa’s comment of Jan. 11, 12:00 A.M., please do not reprint comments of others, such as Mango, that have been blocked by the editors of this site. You’re not the editor and it is inappropriate for you to circumvent the editors’ decisions. If you do so again, I’d recommend that the editors block you from further commenting on this site. Secondarily, I’d note that the comment you reprinted does not concern the topic raised in my original post. As I’ve said many times before, I’d ask that everyone commenting keep to the original topic posted.

  63. Jim,

    May be we will stick to what we believe in – I shall believe that the video is fake and you shall believe it is authentic.

    As for the re-print,

    My only aim was to show how you guys treat the anti LTTE guys as oppose to the LTTE guys. You even have gone to the extent of threatening to block me.
    Don’t go too far, just check the post by Kumar on January 11th, 2010 at 9:03 am. What relevance does that post have to the topic ??? Why not threatening to block him ??? I didn’t see you threaten Rohan (Probably the same guy) – only friendly warnings.

    See Jim, we are not trying to justify any wrong doing. As I mentioned several times before, we are against Terrorists and not any Ethnic group. Trust me we all live quite happily in this tiny Island. War usually happens between two legitimate groups. By calling what happened a War in that sense, you are trying to legitimize a Terrorist group and it is not only me or GOSL who call them Terrorists, it is the whole world and all legal governments who call them so. We also are against you trying to make the GOSL look criminals when acts of higher magnitudes are carried out by Nations in the west and USA. Why try to isolate SL ? We never saw you taking any action or at least to the extent of what you doing with the GOSL with USA or Israel – We never saw them getting pressurized at Geneve or any other HR court ??

    Isn’t the “Live” footage of Israel pouring cluster bombs in Gaza authentic enough for such action ??

    Also we are not quite happy with your stand against dealing with Terrorist organizations – what is your stand on mentally challenged terrorists as Bin laden ? Do you personally think it is better for the rest of humanity if they live ? If it was in the 1800′s where people actually could be surrounded and captured, you can at least think of having them poisoned. In the 21st century, with nuclear and bio warfare, do you think it is possible ?? Ain’t it time for AI to separate Terrorists from legal groups ?

    Last request, prior to blocking me, block this Cut and paste guys and off topic guys. If you look at my past postings, you would see that it would always be in line with the topic or me answering someone who gets off track. Sad to see I never get any answers from the Terrorists for the questions I post. But I thank you for answering my questions.

  64. Jim Pappa !

    The AI will follow their Terms and Conditions .

    Don’t break the rules and you will be OK. :)

    You don’t debate but accuse AI with the false and unsubstantiated accusations which are painfully annoying.

    You ask the same question over, over and over again… :( :( :(

    It feels like… :( the nails scratching on the black school board

    Excruciatingly exasperating !!!!!!!!!

  65. In response to Jim Pappa's comment of Jan. 11, 11:26 P.M., my comment about keeping to the original topic raised in the post does apply to everyone. The editors of this site decide who has violated the terms of this site sufficiently to be blocked, whether it be Jim Pappa or the other commentors on this site.

    You have said that I believe the video to be authentic. I've never said that. I posted my original entry because I thought Alston's statement was newsworthy. As I've said earlier, AI doesn't know whether the video is authentic; we think it warrants an investigation. It's not obviously fake. The Sri Lankan government's experts who claimed technical reasons for it being fake have been refuted by Alston's experts (again, to be fair to the government's experts, it'd help if we could see their entire reports and I greatly appreciate if anyone could alert me to where they could be found on the web). Alston's experts did note some features in the video (like the position of one leg of an alleged victim, the date on the video and the final frames of the video) that need explanation, but those features don't prove, without further investigation, that the video is a fake. The Sri Lankan government can repeat its past assertions that the video is a fake, but without providing more evidence than the publicly available comments of their experts, their assertions aren't convincing.

    You also bring up AI's actions, or alleged lack of actions, about human rights abuses by the governments of the U.S. and Israel. As I've said elsewhere, please visit the country pages for the U.S. and Israel on the AIUSA website to see what AI has said in those cases. AI has actively spoken out and campaigned against human rights abuses by those governments; you appear to be making assertions without first checking the facts.

    If you want to know what AI's position on Al Qaeda or the LTTE or any other group is, please visit the relevant pages on our website. I've repeatedly mentioned elsewhere that AI publicly campaigned against human rights abuses by the LTTE for many years, as a review of our Sri Lanka page would easily show.

  66. Jim Pappa !

    The AI will follow their Terms and Conditions .

    Don’t break the rules and you will be OK. :)

    You don’t debate but accuse AI with the false and unsubstantiated accusations which are painfully annoying.

    You ask the same question over, over and over again… :( :( :(

    It feels like… :( the nails scratching on the black school board

    Excruciatingly exasperating !!!!!!!!!

  67. In response to Jim Pappa’s comment of Jan. 11, 11:26 P.M., my comment about keeping to the original topic raised in the post does apply to everyone. The editors of this site decide who has violated the terms of this site sufficiently to be blocked, whether it be Jim Pappa or the other commentors on this site.

    You have said that I believe the video to be authentic. I’ve never said that. I posted my original entry because I thought Alston’s statement was newsworthy. As I’ve said earlier, AI doesn’t know whether the video is authentic; we think it warrants an investigation. It’s not obviously fake. The Sri Lankan government’s experts who claimed technical reasons for it being fake have been refuted by Alston’s experts (again, to be fair to the government’s experts, it’d help if we could see their entire reports and I greatly appreciate if anyone could alert me to where they could be found on the web). Alston’s experts did note some features in the video (like the position of one leg of an alleged victim, the date on the video and the final frames of the video) that need explanation, but those features don’t prove, without further investigation, that the video is a fake. The Sri Lankan government can repeat its past assertions that the video is a fake, but without providing more evidence than the publicly available comments of their experts, their assertions aren’t convincing.

    You also bring up AI’s actions, or alleged lack of actions, about human rights abuses by the governments of the U.S. and Israel. As I’ve said elsewhere, please visit the country pages for the U.S. and Israel on the AIUSA website to see what AI has said in those cases. AI has actively spoken out and campaigned against human rights abuses by those governments; you appear to be making assertions without first checking the facts.

    If you want to know what AI’s position on Al Qaeda or the LTTE or any other group is, please visit the relevant pages on our website. I’ve repeatedly mentioned elsewhere that AI publicly campaigned against human rights abuses by the LTTE for many years, as a review of our Sri Lanka page would easily show.

  68. Just a reminder to this group that all comments are moderated and reviewed on a case by case basis.

    Our decisions to block or moderate comments is meant to be upheld.

    If you disagree with these decisions, then please DO NOT respond on our blog, but instead send an email to blogmoderator@aiusa.org

  69. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  70. Just a reminder to this group that all comments are moderated and reviewed on a case by case basis.

    Our decisions to block or moderate comments is meant to be upheld.

    If you disagree with these decisions, then please DO NOT respond on our blog, but instead send an email to blogmoderator@aiusa.org

  71. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  72. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  73. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  74. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  75. Channel 4 has shown that its credible and non-biased. Excellent, finally a news corporation exposes war crimes. My parents have relatives who experienced the Auschwitz death camp in Hitler’s time. Now its the Tamils. I hope they get justice. As one academic puts it, “”We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.” — Elie Wiesel

    Sri Lanka must stop committing genocide on Tamils. If you are not hiding anything then let the UN investigate.

  76. Kovil !

    What I say is that if AI follows the terms and conditions set forth by them, you would be the first to get kicked out of the site.. So do not try to argue with me on that, but check the past topics and see whether what you have posted is in line with them.

    And to answer you quote,
    You don’t debate but accuse AI with the false and unsubstantiated accusations which are painfully annoying.

    You ask the same question over, over and over again…

    This is due to the same reason of none of you have the guts to answer them. Not a single question I asked have been answered or even been attempted to answer by you LTTEers. This is why I thank Jim for answering what ever query I make. But my questions are mainly for you LTTE guys than Jim.

    May be it is hard for you to take because deep within you, you know that you guys are wrong and trying to fulfill a different agenda and use AI as a means for it than put a honest effort to solve a problem which is not there anyways. In that sense, I am glad that I am making the noses with Chalk !

  77. Comments by Jim and Moderators !

    I shall again place my trust on an organization as renowned as you are and believe that you are unbiased and trying to do something good here.

    Thanks…

  78. Kovil !

    What I say is that if AI follows the terms and conditions set forth by them, you would be the first to get kicked out of the site.. So do not try to argue with me on that, but check the past topics and see whether what you have posted is in line with them.

    And to answer you quote,
    You don’t debate but accuse AI with the false and unsubstantiated accusations which are painfully annoying.

    You ask the same question over, over and over again…

    This is due to the same reason of none of you have the guts to answer them. Not a single question I asked have been answered or even been attempted to answer by you LTTEers. This is why I thank Jim for answering what ever query I make. But my questions are mainly for you LTTE guys than Jim.

    May be it is hard for you to take because deep within you, you know that you guys are wrong and trying to fulfill a different agenda and use AI as a means for it than put a honest effort to solve a problem which is not there anyways. In that sense, I am glad that I am making the noses with Chalk !

  79. Comments by Jim and Moderators !

    I shall again place my trust on an organization as renowned as you are and believe that you are unbiased and trying to do something good here.

    Thanks…

  80. Wherever minorities are being persecuted we must raise our voices to protest.

    According to reliable sources, the Tamil people are being disenfranchised and victimized by the Sri Lanka authorities.

    This injustice must stop. The Tamil people must be allowed to live in peace and flourish in their homeland.

  81. Wherever minorities are being persecuted we must raise our voices to protest.

    According to reliable sources, the Tamil people are being disenfranchised and victimized by the Sri Lanka authorities.

    This injustice must stop. The Tamil people must be allowed to live in peace and flourish in their homeland.

  82. In response to Krishna's comment above, I'd ask that commentors to this site please stick to the original topic raised by my post, and not publicize other issues that they want to highlight. Please don't abuse the opportunity to comment. Thanks

  83. Sorry Jim. I made the comment because I am mad. I just went to the hospital and they told me that I have to get treatment for Mental Issue.

    I am still stuck with Eelam Mentality and we are going crazy that we could not kill more people. Sri Lanka is the homeland for all of us.

  84. In response to Krishna’s comment above, I’d ask that commentors to this site please stick to the original topic raised by my post, and not publicize other issues that they want to highlight. Please don’t abuse the opportunity to comment. Thanks

  85. Sorry Jim. I made the comment because I am mad. I just went to the hospital and they told me that I have to get treatment for Mental Issue.

    I am still stuck with Eelam Mentality and we are going crazy that we could not kill more people. Sri Lanka is the homeland for all of us.

  86. The harvest festival PONGAL IS the most auspicious festival among Tamils worldwide, including those in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Mauritius, South Africa, USA, Canada and Singapore. Pongal festival comes on Tamil calendar’s first day of auspicious 'Thai' month. The Tamil meaning of Pongal is “boiling over or spill over.” Pongal festival’s date is fixed for every year because it is derived from solar calendar.

    Pot Rice to Sun
    God Sugarcane to cow and ox
    Sweet rise to you and me
    Good milk to friends and family
    Happy & Prosperous Pongal !

  87. The harvest festival PONGAL IS the most auspicious festival among Tamils worldwide, including those in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Mauritius, South Africa, USA, Canada and Singapore. Pongal festival comes on Tamil calendar’s first day of auspicious ‘Thai’ month. The Tamil meaning of Pongal is “boiling over or spill over.” Pongal festival’s date is fixed for every year because it is derived from solar calendar.

    Pot Rice to Sun
    God Sugarcane to cow and ox
    Sweet rise to you and me
    Good milk to friends and family
    Happy & Prosperous Pongal !

  88. The Sri Lankan government is preparing a full report on the authenticity of the video to be presented to the UN and other respected organizations. The Minister of HR, Mahinda Samarasinghe and the Secretary has informed that the report will be handed over within the first week of February to the relevant parties.

    Then we could understand the reasons for the leg positions and dead body positions to change and understand the reasons behind the background being similar to that of south india.

    BTW, I am curious to see what action would be taken against Seyon by the good moderators !

  89. The GoSL earlier claimed, through its own experts, that the video itself was a fake, and that there was no way it could have been taken on a mobile phone.

    This claim has been disproved by the independent experts commissioned by Alston, and we seem to recall that in the video of the press conference he organised, he mentions that the phone was a Philips.

    The video itself (and again, not the events depicted) has been proved to be authentic, through forensics conducted by The Times and by the UN, suggests that the experts of the GoSL were examining an incorrect video.

    In fact, this was a claim made by Tamilnet back in September 2009, in an article that noted that “Sri Lanka’s technological refutation of the authenticity of a video of Army (SLA) soldiers executing unarmed Tamil men broadcast by Channel 4 in August is based on a processed video-file taken from the broadcaster’s website, rather than the original mobile phone footage”.

    This story also has a link to the zip file of the “original” .gp3 video file, from which it is claimed in the article that websites such as Channel 4 derived the web version of the video, upon which the GoSL investigation was based.

  90. It is not just a matter of the Sri Lankan investigators viewing the wrong footage.

    Alston specifically said that two of the investigators were themselves ex-members of the Army.

    Talk about lack of impartiality!

    More generally, it is known that all three members of the Sri Lankan “investigation team” had connections to GOSL.

    The fact that their investigation did not even suggest the slightest possibility that the tape might be authentic should speak volumes.

    Note how the three investigators that Alston chose readily revealed the possibility of gaps in their own investigations.

  91. The Sri Lankan government is preparing a full report on the authenticity of the video to be presented to the UN and other respected organizations. The Minister of HR, Mahinda Samarasinghe and the Secretary has informed that the report will be handed over within the first week of February to the relevant parties.

    Then we could understand the reasons for the leg positions and dead body positions to change and understand the reasons behind the background being similar to that of south india.

    BTW, I am curious to see what action would be taken against Seyon by the good moderators !

  92. The GoSL earlier claimed, through its own experts, that the video itself was a fake, and that there was no way it could have been taken on a mobile phone.

    This claim has been disproved by the independent experts commissioned by Alston, and we seem to recall that in the video of the press conference he organised, he mentions that the phone was a Philips.

    The video itself (and again, not the events depicted) has been proved to be authentic, through forensics conducted by The Times and by the UN, suggests that the experts of the GoSL were examining an incorrect video.

    In fact, this was a claim made by Tamilnet back in September 2009, in an article that noted that “Sri Lanka’s technological refutation of the authenticity of a video of Army (SLA) soldiers executing unarmed Tamil men broadcast by Channel 4 in August is based on a processed video-file taken from the broadcaster’s website, rather than the original mobile phone footage”.

    This story also has a link to the zip file of the “original” .gp3 video file, from which it is claimed in the article that websites such as Channel 4 derived the web version of the video, upon which the GoSL investigation was based.

  93. It is not just a matter of the Sri Lankan investigators viewing the wrong footage.

    Alston specifically said that two of the investigators were themselves ex-members of the Army.

    Talk about lack of impartiality!

    More generally, it is known that all three members of the Sri Lankan “investigation team” had connections to GOSL.

    The fact that their investigation did not even suggest the slightest possibility that the tape might be authentic should speak volumes.

    Note how the three investigators that Alston chose readily revealed the possibility of gaps in their own investigations.

  94. In response to seyon's comment of Jan. 14, 4:15 A.M., please keep to the topic raised in the original post. Your comment is inappropriate for this forum. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment.

  95. In response to seyon’s comment of Jan. 14, 4:15 A.M., please keep to the topic raised in the original post. Your comment is inappropriate for this forum. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment.

  96. Amazing how the Kumar' sand Seyon's have turned out to be expert investigators.

    We shall see when the proper reports come out as to who is right or wrong.

    However, It is quite shameful to know that the tails of the dead LTTE are still wagging and that the Tamils in Sri Lanka will have no peace until these tails stop wagging.

  97. Thanks seyon,
    Your name is familier, u have wealth of knowledge of Sri lanka's ethnic cleansing of minorities. Please continue to expose.

    Can't hide the truth, but countries which has regional interest, still trying to cover the Crimes against Humanity.

    Dublin analysis complements Alston's findings on execution-video http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art

  98. A report of preliminary findings from a US-based forensic company that took nearly three weeks to analyze the Channel-4 broadcast video allegedly showing Sri Lanka Army (SLA) soldiers extra-judicially executing Tamil captives stripped naked and hands tied behind their back, said “the video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind.”

    The report contained determinations on ten different critical issues on the characteristics of the video and audio portions of the 3gp format file distributed by the German-based Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) on 25th August.

    The forensic firm used a firing range to conduct field experiments to arrive at some of the findings according to the report.

    Key findings listed in the preliminary report follow:

    •No evidence of tampering or editing was discovered with either the video or audio portions of Video.

    •The blood pooled around the previous victim with the white shirt and with the victim of the 2nd shooting is consistent with blood from the brain, which would contain high amounts of oxygen giving the blood its bright color. The fact that it is still bright in color is consistent with it being very recent.

    •The audio delay with respect to both gun shots’ audio compared with each corresponding rifle recoil is consistent for some, if not most, camera cell phones that are capable of video recording.

    •Preliminary field test with a typical camera cell phone of similar audio qualities (per header information in Exhibit “A”), was able to record a MAK-90 (AK variant w/16” barrel) gun shot w/7.62×39mm ammo, with the camera cell phone being positioned in a similar camera field of view of the 2nd gun shot, or 12 feet away from the muzzle, without any distortion of the audio.

    •The leg of an apparent previous shooting victim lying prone on the ground, down range and at the feet of the first victim, rises in the air when the first victim is shot, and then slowly drops to its former position. This reaction appears to be from the bullet that passed through the first victim and then striking the down range victim and would be consistent with a victim that was very recently shot that has not died yet.

  99. The leg of an apparent previous shooting victim lying prone on the ground, down range and at the feet of the first victim, rises in the air when the first victim is shot, and then slowly drops to its former position. This reaction appears to be from the bullet that passed through the first victim and then striking the down range victim and would be consistent with a victim that was very recently shot that has not died yet.

    LOL !!

  100. Thanks seyon,
    Your name is familier, u have wealth of knowledge of Sri lanka's ethnic cleansing of minorities. Please continue to expose.

    Can't hide the truth, but countries which has regional interest, still trying to cover the Crimes against Humanity.

    Dublin analysis complements Alston's findings on execution-video http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art

  101. Thanks seyon,
    Your name is familier, u have wealth of knowledge of Sri lanka's ethnic cleansing of minorities. Please continue to expose.

    Can't hide the truth, but countries which has regional interest, still trying to cover the Crimes against Humanity.

    Dublin analysis complements Alston's findings on execution-video http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art

  102. You are welcome, Rohan
    You are not bad yourself, bro.
    You are the whole Jaffna library
    Happy & Prosperous Thai Pongal !!

  103. Amazing how the Kumar’ sand Seyon’s have turned out to be expert investigators.

    We shall see when the proper reports come out as to who is right or wrong.

    However, It is quite shameful to know that the tails of the dead LTTE are still wagging and that the Tamils in Sri Lanka will have no peace until these tails stop wagging.

  104. A report of preliminary findings from a US-based forensic company that took nearly three weeks to analyze the Channel-4 broadcast video allegedly showing Sri Lanka Army (SLA) soldiers extra-judicially executing Tamil captives stripped naked and hands tied behind their back, said “the video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind.”

    The report contained determinations on ten different critical issues on the characteristics of the video and audio portions of the 3gp format file distributed by the German-based Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) on 25th August.

    The forensic firm used a firing range to conduct field experiments to arrive at some of the findings according to the report.

    Key findings listed in the preliminary report follow:

    •No evidence of tampering or editing was discovered with either the video or audio portions of Video.

    •The blood pooled around the previous victim with the white shirt and with the victim of the 2nd shooting is consistent with blood from the brain, which would contain high amounts of oxygen giving the blood its bright color. The fact that it is still bright in color is consistent with it being very recent.

    •The audio delay with respect to both gun shots’ audio compared with each corresponding rifle recoil is consistent for some, if not most, camera cell phones that are capable of video recording.

    •Preliminary field test with a typical camera cell phone of similar audio qualities (per header information in Exhibit “A”), was able to record a MAK-90 (AK variant w/16” barrel) gun shot w/7.62×39mm ammo, with the camera cell phone being positioned in a similar camera field of view of the 2nd gun shot, or 12 feet away from the muzzle, without any distortion of the audio.

    •The leg of an apparent previous shooting victim lying prone on the ground, down range and at the feet of the first victim, rises in the air when the first victim is shot, and then slowly drops to its former position. This reaction appears to be from the bullet that passed through the first victim and then striking the down range victim and would be consistent with a victim that was very recently shot that has not died yet.

  105. The leg of an apparent previous shooting victim lying prone on the ground, down range and at the feet of the first victim, rises in the air when the first victim is shot, and then slowly drops to its former position. This reaction appears to be from the bullet that passed through the first victim and then striking the down range victim and would be consistent with a victim that was very recently shot that has not died yet.

    LOL !!

  106. Thanks seyon,
    Your name is familier, u have wealth of knowledge of Sri lanka’s ethnic cleansing of minorities. Please continue to expose.

    Can’t hide the truth, but countries which has regional interest, still trying to cover the Crimes against Humanity.

    Dublin analysis complements Alston’s findings on execution-video
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=30997

  107. To Natasha Miller,

    Your use of Nazi analogies makes your entire point, if you had one, irrelevant. Look up Godwins Law on the interweb.

    Channel 4 is anything but credible and unbiased and is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth.

    Your parents' relatives who experienced Auschwitz – do they know that their suffering has been cheapened and is being used to defend and promote a demonstrably racist, supremacist ideology of Tamil Eelam.

    Every single word of Elie Wiesel's wise words applies to the LTTE's racist ideology. "Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political view.. " Indeed. Do tell us what you think of the LTTE's well-documented ethnic cleansing of non-Tamils from Northern Sri Lanka and wholesale murder of Tamils opposed to their particular ideology. Their actions fulfilled all of your criteria of "race, religion, or political view".

    As you insist on parroting the 'genocide' theme, let me help you with a few more 'genocides' that were meant to have taken place, but in fact, never did. Perhaps you can educate us on how each of these genocides occurred.

    Silent Genocide
    Structural Genocide
    Monsoon Genocide
    Cholesterol Genocide
    Airport Genocide

    My new favourite is Environmental Genocide or as Tamilnut prefers to say "ethnically motivated environmental rape taking place with international abetment." i.e. damage to the forests due to shelling.
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&art

    If as you allege, SL was committing genocide on Tamils, there wouldn't be any Tamils left on the Island. But to my suprise, it appears there are plenty of Tamils living in SL.

    How can this be possible? Are they aliens in disguise? Actors pretending to be Tamils? Human Rights activists on a long-term undercover mission?

    As for the video: As far as we can tell this tape miraculously surfaced months after it was supposedly shot, showing people who are wearing SLA uniforms killing (or simulating the killing of) people who are claimed to be Tamil prisoners in some tropical country somewhere.

    There's an original version where the 'soldiers' are speaking in Tamil. Given that we can't see their faces of mouths too clearly, they could be speaking in Klingon.

  108. You are welcome, Rohan
    You are not bad yourself, bro.
    You are the whole Jaffna library
    Happy & Prosperous Thai Pongal !!

  109. To Natasha Miller,

    Your use of Nazi analogies makes your entire point, if you had one, irrelevant. Look up Godwins Law on the interweb.

    Channel 4 is anything but credible and unbiased and is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth.

    Your parents' relatives who experienced Auschwitz – do they know that their suffering has been cheapened and is being used to defend and promote a demonstrably racist, supremacist ideology of Tamil Eelam.

    Every single word of Elie Wiesel's wise words applies to the LTTE's racist ideology. "Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political view.. " Indeed. Do tell us what you think of the LTTE's well-documented ethnic cleansing of non-Tamils from Northern Sri Lanka and wholesale murder of Tamils opposed to their particular ideology. Their actions fulfilled all of your criteria of "race, religion, or political view".

    As you insist on parroting the 'genocide' theme, let me help you with a few more 'genocides' that were meant to have taken place, but in fact, never did. Perhaps you can educate us on how each of these genocides occurred.

    Silent Genocide
    Structural Genocide
    Monsoon Genocide
    Cholesterol Genocide
    Airport Genocide

    My new favourite is Environmental Genocide or as Tamilnut prefers to say "ethnically motivated environmental rape taking place with international abetment." i.e. damage to the forests due to shelling.
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&art

    If as you allege, SL was committing genocide on Tamils, there wouldn't be any Tamils left on the Island. But to my suprise, it appears there are plenty of Tamils living in SL.

    How can this be possible? Are they aliens in disguise? Actors pretending to be Tamils? Human Rights activists on a long-term undercover mission?

    As for the video: As far as we can tell this tape miraculously surfaced months after it was supposedly shot, showing people who are wearing SLA uniforms killing (or simulating the killing of) people who are claimed to be Tamil prisoners in some tropical country somewhere.

    There's an original version where the 'soldiers' are speaking in Tamil. Given that we can't see their faces of mouths too clearly, they could be speaking in Klingon.

  110. To Natasha Miller,

    Your use of Nazi analogies makes your entire point, if you had one, irrelevant. Look up Godwins Law on the interweb.

    Channel 4 is anything but credible and unbiased and is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth.

    Your parents' relatives who experienced Auschwitz – do they know that their suffering has been cheapened and is being used to defend and promote a demonstrably racist, supremacist ideology of Tamil Eelam.

    Every single word of Elie Wiesel's wise words applies to the LTTE's racist ideology. "Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political view.. " Indeed. Do tell us what you think of the LTTE's well-documented ethnic cleansing of non-Tamils from Northern Sri Lanka and wholesale murder of Tamils opposed to their particular ideology. Their actions fulfilled all of your criteria of "race, religion, or political view".

    As you insist on parroting the 'genocide' theme, let me help you with a few more 'genocides' that were meant to have taken place, but in fact, never did. Perhaps you can educate us on how each of these genocides occurred.

    Silent Genocide
    Structural Genocide
    Monsoon Genocide
    Cholesterol Genocide
    Airport Genocide

    My new favourite is Environmental Genocide or as Tamilnut prefers to say "ethnically motivated environmental rape taking place with international abetment." i.e. damage to the forests due to shelling.
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&art

    If as you allege, SL was committing genocide on Tamils, there wouldn't be any Tamils left on the Island. But to my suprise, it appears there are plenty of Tamils living in SL.

    How can this be possible? Are they aliens in disguise? Actors pretending to be Tamils? Human Rights activists on a long-term undercover mission?

    As for the video: As far as we can tell this tape miraculously surfaced months after it was supposedly shot, showing people who are wearing SLA uniforms killing (or simulating the killing of) people who are claimed to be Tamil prisoners in some tropical country somewhere.

    There's an original version where the 'soldiers' are speaking in Tamil. Given that we can't see their faces of mouths too clearly, they could be speaking in Klingon.

  111. To Natasha Miller,

    Your use of Nazi analogies makes your entire point, if you had one, irrelevant. Look up Godwins Law on the interweb.

    Channel 4 is anything but credible and unbiased and is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth.

    Your parents’ relatives who experienced Auschwitz – do they know that their suffering has been cheapened and is being used to defend and promote a demonstrably racist, supremacist ideology of Tamil Eelam.

    Every single word of Elie Wiesel’s wise words applies to the LTTE’s racist ideology. “Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political view.. ” Indeed. Do tell us what you think of the LTTE’s well-documented ethnic cleansing of non-Tamils from Northern Sri Lanka and wholesale murder of Tamils opposed to their particular ideology. Their actions fulfilled all of your criteria of “race, religion, or political view”.

    As you insist on parroting the ‘genocide’ theme, let me help you with a few more ‘genocides’ that were meant to have taken place, but in fact, never did. Perhaps you can educate us on how each of these genocides occurred.

    Silent Genocide
    Structural Genocide
    Monsoon Genocide
    Cholesterol Genocide
    Airport Genocide

    My new favourite is Environmental Genocide or as Tamilnut prefers to say “ethnically motivated environmental rape taking place with international abetment.” i.e. damage to the forests due to shelling.

    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=30733

    If as you allege, SL was committing genocide on Tamils, there wouldn’t be any Tamils left on the Island. But to my suprise, it appears there are plenty of Tamils living in SL.

    How can this be possible? Are they aliens in disguise? Actors pretending to be Tamils? Human Rights activists on a long-term undercover mission?

    As for the video: As far as we can tell this tape miraculously surfaced months after it was supposedly shot, showing people who are wearing SLA uniforms killing (or simulating the killing of) people who are claimed to be Tamil prisoners in some tropical country somewhere.

    There’s an original version where the ‘soldiers’ are speaking in Tamil. Given that we can’t see their faces of mouths too clearly, they could be speaking in Klingon.

  112. Sri Lanka execution video 'not fake', says expert.

    The claims, vehemently denied by the Government, added to a lengthy list of war crimes allegations against it.

    The video of the alleged battlefield executions, which was aired on Channel 4 in August, shows a naked man, bound and blindfolded, being made to kneel.

    Another man, dressed in what appears to be Sri Lankan army uniform, approaches from behind and shoots him in the head at point-blank range. “It’s like he jumped,” the executor laughs. The camera then pans to show eight similarly bound corpses.

    An analysis for The Times by Grant Fredericks, an independent forensic video specialist who is also an instructor at the FBI National Academy, suggests otherwise. He found no evidence of digital manipulation, editing or any other special effects. However, subtle details consistent with a real shooting, such as a discharge of gas from the barrel of the weapon used, were visible.

    “This level of subtle detail cannot be virtually reproduced. This is clearly an original recording,” said Mr Fredericks, who was previously the head of the Vancouver police forensic video unit in Canada.

    There was also strong evidence to rule out the use of actors. “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said.

    The reactions of those executed was consistent with reality, he added. “The victims do not lunge forward . . . [they] fall backward in a very realistic reaction, unlike what is normally depicted in the movies.”

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

    The Sri Lankan Government said in a statement in September that the footage was “done with a sophisticated video camera, dubbed to give the gunshot effect and transferred to a mobile phone.”

    Mr Fredericks’s research showed that code embedded in the footage appeared to match with software used in Nokia mobile phones.” He said: “The recording is completely consistent with a cell phone video recording and there are no signs of editing or alterations.”

  113. Sri Lanka execution video ‘not fake’, says expert.

    The claims, vehemently denied by the Government, added to a lengthy list of war crimes allegations against it.

    The video of the alleged battlefield executions, which was aired on Channel 4 in August, shows a naked man, bound and blindfolded, being made to kneel.

    Another man, dressed in what appears to be Sri Lankan army uniform, approaches from behind and shoots him in the head at point-blank range. “It’s like he jumped,” the executor laughs. The camera then pans to show eight similarly bound corpses.

    An analysis for The Times by Grant Fredericks, an independent forensic video specialist who is also an instructor at the FBI National Academy, suggests otherwise. He found no evidence of digital manipulation, editing or any other special effects. However, subtle details consistent with a real shooting, such as a discharge of gas from the barrel of the weapon used, were visible.

    “This level of subtle detail cannot be virtually reproduced. This is clearly an original recording,” said Mr Fredericks, who was previously the head of the Vancouver police forensic video unit in Canada.

    There was also strong evidence to rule out the use of actors. “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said.

    The reactions of those executed was consistent with reality, he added. “The victims do not lunge forward . . . [they] fall backward in a very realistic reaction, unlike what is normally depicted in the movies.”

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

    The Sri Lankan Government said in a statement in September that the footage was “done with a sophisticated video camera, dubbed to give the gunshot effect and transferred to a mobile phone.”

    Mr Fredericks’s research showed that code embedded in the footage appeared to match with software used in Nokia mobile phones.” He said: “The recording is completely consistent with a cell phone video recording and there are no signs of editing or alterations.”

  114. A commenter on The Guardian's already written the best demolition of this fake video / method acting master-class.

    "I still maintain the Channel 4 video was trash.

    All Alston's experts have done is confirm that the videos could have been taken on a mobile phone and could have described somebody being shot. There is no 'expert evidence' produced that the videos were shot in Sri Lanka, that the people involved are Lankan soldiers and LTTE detainees, or that the killing was real and not simulated.

    The Lankan government had produced reports claiming that the video had first been shot on a video camera and then transferred to mobile phone, and that the sound track was not consistent in timing with the actual events described. It was this that Alston called in 'experts' to analyze, thus his description of the matter as a Technical Report. I do tend to agree with the Lankan government that Alston acted highly unprofessionally in sending the reports to the Lankan government the eve of the presentation, thus giving it no time to analyze them or ask the experts it had commissioned for their analysis.

    The fact remains that Channel 4 aired a video whose provenance and authenticity as a genuine document as opposed to simulated propaganda it had no evidence of, as it happily admitted. The video had taken seven months to surface and there was no information given as to how it had reached the so-called dissident journalist organization in Germany. To demand a full-blown human rights enquiry on that basis is irresponsible; where on earth does the government start when the people who have the evidence refuse to give it."

    For the low wattage readers of the AI blogs, let me summarise from above:

    No 'expert evidence' has been produced proving that the video was even shot in Sri Lanka, that the people involved are Lankan soldiers and LTTE detainees, or that the killing was real and not simulated.

    Channel 4 (famous for it's adherence to fact checking and truth – NOT) has admitted that it does not know of the authenticity of the video. Using the same logic, C4 should air segments of the hit film 'Avatar' and claim that it proves the existence of extra-terrestrial life.

    That AI didn't think to apply the same basic logic as described above only serves to highlight, yet again if any further proof was required, of AI's desperate need to keep flogging the UN investigations dead horse.

    I suppose all those highly paid AI 'researchers' have to earn their keep, no?

  115. Taking a step back:

    I see some want to just say the the GOSL has been wrong in denying the video. They are not really bothered of the meaning of the contents.

    They want to sling mud at Sri Lanka, not to seek truth.

  116. Reductio ad Absurdum

    May I ask, what are your qualifications in comparison to the three independent experts chosen by Philip Alston to examine the video?

    Are you suggesting the experts overlooked what you suggested?

  117. A commenter on The Guardian’s already written the best demolition of this fake video / method acting master-class.

    “I still maintain the Channel 4 video was trash.

    All Alston’s experts have done is confirm that the videos could have been taken on a mobile phone and could have described somebody being shot. There is no ‘expert evidence’ produced that the videos were shot in Sri Lanka, that the people involved are Lankan soldiers and LTTE detainees, or that the killing was real and not simulated.

    The Lankan government had produced reports claiming that the video had first been shot on a video camera and then transferred to mobile phone, and that the sound track was not consistent in timing with the actual events described. It was this that Alston called in ‘experts’ to analyze, thus his description of the matter as a Technical Report. I do tend to agree with the Lankan government that Alston acted highly unprofessionally in sending the reports to the Lankan government the eve of the presentation, thus giving it no time to analyze them or ask the experts it had commissioned for their analysis.

    The fact remains that Channel 4 aired a video whose provenance and authenticity as a genuine document as opposed to simulated propaganda it had no evidence of, as it happily admitted. The video had taken seven months to surface and there was no information given as to how it had reached the so-called dissident journalist organization in Germany. To demand a full-blown human rights enquiry on that basis is irresponsible; where on earth does the government start when the people who have the evidence refuse to give it.”

    For the low wattage readers of the AI blogs, let me summarise from above:

    No ‘expert evidence’ has been produced proving that the video was even shot in Sri Lanka, that the people involved are Lankan soldiers and LTTE detainees, or that the killing was real and not simulated.

    Channel 4 (famous for it’s adherence to fact checking and truth – NOT) has admitted that it does not know of the authenticity of the video. Using the same logic, C4 should air segments of the hit film ‘Avatar’ and claim that it proves the existence of extra-terrestrial life.

    That AI didn’t think to apply the same basic logic as described above only serves to highlight, yet again if any further proof was required, of AI’s desperate need to keep flogging the UN investigations dead horse.

    I suppose all those highly paid AI ‘researchers’ have to earn their keep, no?

  118. Taking a step back:

    I see some want to just say the the GOSL has been wrong in denying the video. They are not really bothered of the meaning of the contents.

    They want to sling mud at Sri Lanka, not to seek truth.

  119. Reductio ad Absurdum

    May I ask, what are your qualifications in comparison to the three independent experts chosen by Philip Alston to examine the video?

    Are you suggesting the experts overlooked what you suggested?

  120. Seyon,

    My qualifications are a functioning cerebrum and cerebral cortex, which as you know determines reason, reflection and the higher thought functions. Alston's experts haven't bothered to verify the bona fides of the tape itself (as mentioned earlier) before moving on to pronounce on technical aspects of the tape.

    If Alston's experts have managed to verify the tapes' authenticity, I'd love to see it.

    As you know, support of Eelam (a racist ideology) obviously leads to a deterioration in the higher brain functions.

    What else can account for the continuing actions of LTTE supporters trying furiously to get SL, whilst conveniently ignoring their own culpability in having assisted the LTTE commit mass murder on Tamils.

  121. Raveendran,

    Taking a step back:

    I see some want to just say the the GOSL has been wrong in denying the video. They are not really bothered of the meaning of the contents.

    They want to sling mud at Sri Lanka, not to seek truth.

    Really value your insight !

    Many Tamil gentlemen are trying to get rid of this LTTE menace that is haunting out tiny little country. The video is also an effort of such pussies in tiger tails. As Reductio has clearly mentioned in many of his above posts, these pussies are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, where when Ashton says that the video is on 3gp format, they try to makeup the rest of the story as to how is was made and I am kind of surprised how an organization as AI are merrily supporting such activity. Are AI ignorant too or the pay pack from them too much to say no or are they actually running out of work or places to poke fingers at ??

  122. Seyon,

    My qualifications are a functioning cerebrum and cerebral cortex, which as you know determines reason, reflection and the higher thought functions. Alston’s experts haven’t bothered to verify the bona fides of the tape itself (as mentioned earlier) before moving on to pronounce on technical aspects of the tape.

    If Alston’s experts have managed to verify the tapes’ authenticity, I’d love to see it.

    As you know, support of Eelam (a racist ideology) obviously leads to a deterioration in the higher brain functions.

    What else can account for the continuing actions of LTTE supporters trying furiously to get SL, whilst conveniently ignoring their own culpability in having assisted the LTTE commit mass murder on Tamils.

  123. Raveendran,

    Taking a step back:

    I see some want to just say the the GOSL has been wrong in denying the video. They are not really bothered of the meaning of the contents.

    They want to sling mud at Sri Lanka, not to seek truth.

    Really value your insight !

    Many Tamil gentlemen are trying to get rid of this LTTE menace that is haunting out tiny little country. The video is also an effort of such pussies in tiger tails. As Reductio has clearly mentioned in many of his above posts, these pussies are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, where when Ashton says that the video is on 3gp format, they try to makeup the rest of the story as to how is was made and I am kind of surprised how an organization as AI are merrily supporting such activity. Are AI ignorant too or the pay pack from them too much to say no or are they actually running out of work or places to poke fingers at ??

  124. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum's comment of Jan. 15, 9:28 P.M., I'd suggest that those interested review the second paragraph in my comment above of Jan. 12, 8:19 A.M. Those are the points I'd make now as a response.

  125. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum’s comment of Jan. 15, 9:28 P.M., I’d suggest that those interested review the second paragraph in my comment above of Jan. 12, 8:19 A.M. Those are the points I’d make now as a response.

  126. Jim,

    You wrote "AI doesn’t know whether the video is authentic; we think it warrants an investigation. It’s not obviously fake."

    How do you know that it is not obviously fake. Do you know something that the UN doesn't know?

    I'm struggling to understand how in the same sentence you say "AI doesn’t know whether the video is authentic", and "It’s not obviously fake". I believe this is called 'Doublethink' i.e. "the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind"

    Hmm…. The duplicity of the UN & SL Govt is well known, but I didn't appreciate the sophistication of AI's doublethink. Most impressive.

    Given that the video's provenance is unknown, its' authenticity cannot be verified.

    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    Until the shadowy group of 'journalists' who released the video provide further evidence of how it had reached them, it remains a fake.

    To call it 'not obviously fake' is simply untenable, but completely in line with AI's groupthink regarding SL.

    Perhaps it should be entered into the 2010 Oscars; the only question is in which category.

    Directing, Foreign Language Film or Visual Effects ?

  127. Reductio ad Absurdum,

    What is best about comments like yours is that it puts Jim on the defensive too.

    And their whole argument suddenly becomes visible as shallow.

  128. Jim,

    You wrote “AI doesn’t know whether the video is authentic; we think it warrants an investigation. It’s not obviously fake.”

    How do you know that it is not obviously fake. Do you know something that the UN doesn’t know?

    I’m struggling to understand how in the same sentence you say “AI doesn’t know whether the video is authentic”, and “It’s not obviously fake”. I believe this is called ‘Doublethink’ i.e. “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind”

    Hmm…. The duplicity of the UN & SL Govt is well known, but I didn’t appreciate the sophistication of AI’s doublethink. Most impressive.

    Given that the video’s provenance is unknown, its’ authenticity cannot be verified.

    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    Until the shadowy group of ‘journalists’ who released the video provide further evidence of how it had reached them, it remains a fake.

    To call it ‘not obviously fake’ is simply untenable, but completely in line with AI’s groupthink regarding SL.

    Perhaps it should be entered into the 2010 Oscars; the only question is in which category.

    Directing, Foreign Language Film or Visual Effects ?

  129. On Jan 16th, The Dublin Tribunal finds,

    There were four findings:

    1: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of War Crimes;

    2: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of crimes against humanity;

    3: That the charge of genocide requires further investigation;

    4: That the international community, particularly the UK and USA, share responsibility for the breakdown of the peace process.

    The Irish Forum for Peace in Sri Lanka, have five demands

    1: We call on the Sri Lankan government to allow the United Nations to conduct an inquiry into war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated during the final stages of the war between the Sri Lankan armed forces and the LTTE, and during the war's aftermath;

    2: We call on the Sri Lankan Government to release all those being detained in concentration camps and the estimated 11,000 people being held secretly at unknown locations;

    3: We call on the Sri Lankan government to end the use of extra-judicial killings, sexual violence, and the deprivation of food and water as weapons against the civilian population;

    4: We call on the Sri Lankan government to end the suppression of political dissent by violent or other means;

    5: We call on the Sri Lankan government to fully implement human rights for all citizens of Sri Lanka, and the political solution involving the full participation of the Tamil population, ending the systematic historical discriminatory measures of the Sri Lankan state against the Tamil people.

  130. Reductio ad Absurdum,

    What is best about comments like yours is that it puts Jim on the defensive too.

    And their whole argument suddenly becomes visible as shallow.

  131. Raveendran

    Your comments have the same style of writing as- Reductio ad Absurdum,

    Someone is clapping to himself with one hand ? :)

  132. Dublin Tribunal finds against Sri Lanka on charges of War Crimes.

    I am not at all surprised with their findings.

    Though Sri Lanka did their best to deny any wrong doing, truth has prevailed at the end

  133. On Jan 16th, The Dublin Tribunal finds,

    There were four findings:

    1: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of War Crimes;

    2: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of crimes against humanity;

    3: That the charge of genocide requires further investigation;

    4: That the international community, particularly the UK and USA, share responsibility for the breakdown of the peace process.

    The Irish Forum for Peace in Sri Lanka, have five demands

    1: We call on the Sri Lankan government to allow the United Nations to conduct an inquiry into war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated during the final stages of the war between the Sri Lankan armed forces and the LTTE, and during the war’s aftermath;

    2: We call on the Sri Lankan Government to release all those being detained in concentration camps and the estimated 11,000 people being held secretly at unknown locations;

    3: We call on the Sri Lankan government to end the use of extra-judicial killings, sexual violence, and the deprivation of food and water as weapons against the civilian population;

    4: We call on the Sri Lankan government to end the suppression of political dissent by violent or other means;

    5: We call on the Sri Lankan government to fully implement human rights for all citizens of Sri Lanka, and the political solution involving the full participation of the Tamil population, ending the systematic historical discriminatory measures of the Sri Lankan state against the Tamil people.

  134. Raveendran

    Your comments have the same style of writing as- Reductio ad Absurdum,

    Someone is clapping to himself with one hand ? :)

  135. Dublin Tribunal finds against Sri Lanka on charges of War Crimes.

    I am not at all surprised with their findings.

    Though Sri Lanka did their best to deny any wrong doing, truth has prevailed at the end

  136. Kumar Says:

    Someone is clapping to himself with one hand ?

    If a person don't one hand, he has to to use the other hand, sound may not be loud, still the wave will reach the proper destination slowly but steadily without any interruption. Definitely, the video clip shake the people who respect the Humanity. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sinhala/news/story/2010/01/1

  137. Kumar Says:

    Someone is clapping to himself with one hand ?

    If a person don't one hand, he has to to use the other hand, sound may not be loud, still the wave will reach the proper destination slowly but steadily without any interruption. Definitely, the video clip shake the people who respect the Humanity. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sinhala/news/story/2010/01/1

  138. Kumar Says:

    Someone is clapping to himself with one hand ?

    If a person don't one hand, he has to to use the other hand, sound may not be loud, still the wave will reach the proper destination slowly but steadily without any interruption. Definitely, the video clip shake the people who respect the Humanity. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sinhala/news/story/2010/01/1

  139. Rohan !!

    I refer to your comment on January 17th, 2010 at 2:14 am.

    There were four findings:

    1: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of War Crimes;

    2: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of crimes against humanity;

    3: That the charge of genocide requires further investigation;

    4: That the international community, particularly the UK and USA, share responsibility for the breakdown of the peace process.

    Are you making these comment based on the Video ?? if so, why not mentioned any thing about the video ??

    I know that you guys are mentally challenged. But. I still expected you guys to kind of understand that you need to stick to the topic…

    May be Jim will warn again, but fail to take much needed action of blocking you.

    I am kinda getting sick of these double standards by the AI and it has come to an extent where I am loosing trust in AI big time.

    Also the following comment of Irish forum – Joke Man – another set of Branded Terrorists as the LTTE who themselves were involved in killing several thousands in Great Britain – what bloody right do they have to comment on any bloody issue ????

    Are these the people AI intend to support ???? Are you going to stand up for Bin Laden as well ??? I sincerely hope that the USA troops will find Bin Laden soon and obviously go ahead with the much required elimination where we would actually get to see AI going numb…

    Big bloody human rights !! I wonder whether you want to ensure that there is War all over so that you could get your pay sheets by the end of the month.

    One thing I will assure you – We will not let you nor any other organization in the world to sling mud at our motherland nor the people who saved it from a Blood hungry Terrorist group led by a Mentally Challenged Idiot. You will not be able to stop us either – You create a million blogs and you will find at least one patriotic Sri Lankan who would ensure that your pay pack will come in a right way and not by you slinging mud or try to make bloody innocent small states as our Motherland !!!!

    Get a decent Job You fools than lie for your bread and butter !!

  140. Dear Buddhist !

    Dublin Tribunal finds against Sri Lanka on charges of War Crimes.

    I am not at all surprised with their findings.

    Though Sri Lanka did their best to deny any wrong doing, truth has prevailed at the end

    Did you also know that they were Terrorists sometime back ???? Also this post is off line to the topic and you will get a warning from Jim – but do not worry you will not be blocked.

    Since it an HR institute, I will not get blocked too – we both treated the same way !

  141. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum's comment of Jan. 16, 9:49 P.M., I watched the video myself and didn't see anything that showed it was a fake. (Your reference to the U.N. is unclear – Alston said in his technical note that his experts' conclusions provided strong indications of the video's authenticity.) Alston's technical note and its appendix describe in detail the analysis done of the video by Alston's experts and their responses to the publicly available comments of the Sri Lankan government's experts. The technical analysis of the video done by Alston's experts was that there weren't any features proving it was a fake; they also refuted the comments of the government's experts who alleged reasons why it was a fake (again, to be fair to the government's experts, it'd help if we saw their reports).

    I'm surprised you see a contradiction in saying "it's not obviously fake" and "we don't know whether it's authentic." If it were obviously fake, we would know that it's not authentic. If it's not obviously fake, that doesn't prove it's authentic. It merits further investigation, as I've already said.

    You may assert the video is a fake until it's proven authentic to your satisfaction, but your assertion that it's a fake isn't based on any evidence. I'd suggest keeping an open mind until we know more. I would also like to know more about the video's provenance as part of an investigation into the video.

  142. Jim,

    So you mean to say that you are not sure if the video is authentic or not?

    Then what is all this fuss about?

    About a video which you are not sure if authentic or not!

  143. Rohan !!

    I refer to your comment on January 17th, 2010 at 2:14 am.

    There were four findings:

    1: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of War Crimes;

    2: That the Sri Lankan Government is guilty of crimes against humanity;

    3: That the charge of genocide requires further investigation;

    4: That the international community, particularly the UK and USA, share responsibility for the breakdown of the peace process.

    Are you making these comment based on the Video ?? if so, why not mentioned any thing about the video ??

    I know that you guys are mentally challenged. But. I still expected you guys to kind of understand that you need to stick to the topic…

    May be Jim will warn again, but fail to take much needed action of blocking you.

    I am kinda getting sick of these double standards by the AI and it has come to an extent where I am loosing trust in AI big time.

    Also the following comment of Irish forum – Joke Man – another set of Branded Terrorists as the LTTE who themselves were involved in killing several thousands in Great Britain – what bloody right do they have to comment on any bloody issue ????

    Are these the people AI intend to support ???? Are you going to stand up for Bin Laden as well ??? I sincerely hope that the USA troops will find Bin Laden soon and obviously go ahead with the much required elimination where we would actually get to see AI going numb…

    Big bloody human rights !! I wonder whether you want to ensure that there is War all over so that you could get your pay sheets by the end of the month.

    One thing I will assure you – We will not let you nor any other organization in the world to sling mud at our motherland nor the people who saved it from a Blood hungry Terrorist group led by a Mentally Challenged Idiot. You will not be able to stop us either – You create a million blogs and you will find at least one patriotic Sri Lankan who would ensure that your pay pack will come in a right way and not by you slinging mud or try to make bloody innocent small states as our Motherland !!!!

    Get a decent Job You fools than lie for your bread and butter !!

  144. Dear Buddhist !

    Dublin Tribunal finds against Sri Lanka on charges of War Crimes.

    I am not at all surprised with their findings.

    Though Sri Lanka did their best to deny any wrong doing, truth has prevailed at the end

    Did you also know that they were Terrorists sometime back ???? Also this post is off line to the topic and you will get a warning from Jim – but do not worry you will not be blocked.

    Since it an HR institute, I will not get blocked too – we both treated the same way !

  145. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum’s comment of Jan. 16, 9:49 P.M., I watched the video myself and didn’t see anything that showed it was a fake. (Your reference to the U.N. is unclear – Alston said in his technical note that his experts’ conclusions provided strong indications of the video’s authenticity.) Alston’s technical note and its appendix describe in detail the analysis done of the video by Alston’s experts and their responses to the publicly available comments of the Sri Lankan government’s experts. The technical analysis of the video done by Alston’s experts was that there weren’t any features proving it was a fake; they also refuted the comments of the government’s experts who alleged reasons why it was a fake (again, to be fair to the government’s experts, it’d help if we saw their reports).

    I’m surprised you see a contradiction in saying “it’s not obviously fake” and “we don’t know whether it’s authentic.” If it were obviously fake, we would know that it’s not authentic. If it’s not obviously fake, that doesn’t prove it’s authentic. It merits further investigation, as I’ve already said.

    You may assert the video is a fake until it’s proven authentic to your satisfaction, but your assertion that it’s a fake isn’t based on any evidence. I’d suggest keeping an open mind until we know more. I would also like to know more about the video’s provenance as part of an investigation into the video.

  146. Jim,

    So you mean to say that you are not sure if the video is authentic or not?

    Then what is all this fuss about?

    About a video which you are not sure if authentic or not!

  147. In response to Raveendran's comment of Jan. 17, 11:17 A.M., I'd make the following responses:
    1. The answer to your first question can be found in the second paragraph of my comment of Jan. 12, 8:19 A.M., above.
    2. The answer to your second question, perhaps, can be found in my original post and in Alston's technical note – there should be an independent investigation into reports of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law during the closing stages of the war.

  148. Jim,

    Here we go again. You said "I watched the video myself and didn’t see anything that showed it was a fake."

    Ummm.. OK. I also watched it and saw through it instantly as fake. The gibberish Sinhala spoken by the actors, the dodgy SLA uniforms without any unit marking etc.

    Why is your opinion correct and mine incorrect? Are you relying on 'appeal to authority' as the SL Specialist at AI to expect us to believe that just because you didn't think it was fake, we should automatically believe you?

    If that's your position, then fine. You should also extend the same logic to any and all statements by SL Govt when they said that the IDPs would be re-settled within 12 months or so.

    There are two levels of 'Truthiness' to this fake video. Truthiness is a 'truth' that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. (© Stephen Colbert)

    Truthiness Level 1: the source of the video
    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    Odd Fact: isn't it odd that the actor's faces aren't clearly visible? If they were, it would be an easy matter to match their faces to SLA identification records and find if any real soldiers were involved. But I guess this is just too difficult for the UN & AI to figure out for themselves.

    Truthiness Level 2: Technical aspects of the video capture
    Here, I'm quite content to let the UN's experts and SL's experts battle it out.

    To prove or disprove the Truthiness of the original drama production, all you (and the UN) have to do is to ask the Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) who leaked the to provide the original 1st generation video source file and the source who provided the film.

    You probably know that the JDS is run by Sunandra Deshapriya, a well-known LTTE sympathiser and HR activist. He was sacked from the Centre for Policy Alternatives (CPA) after an inquiry into a million rupee fraud that had occurred in the center. Free Media Movement (FMM) began an investigation into a million rupee fraud. His sacking was apparently due to a‘transaction lacking clarity’.

    What a superb euphemism for financial fraud. I'm sure that bankers across the world will now start to use that phrase.

    If AI, the UN & Alston want to hitch their wagon to Sunandra's vehicle, good luck. I can't imagine a more perfect union.

  149. In response to Raveendran’s comment of Jan. 17, 11:17 A.M., I’d make the following responses:
    1. The answer to your first question can be found in the second paragraph of my comment of Jan. 12, 8:19 A.M., above.
    2. The answer to your second question, perhaps, can be found in my original post and in Alston’s technical note – there should be an independent investigation into reports of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law during the closing stages of the war.

  150. Jim,

    Here we go again. You said “I watched the video myself and didn’t see anything that showed it was a fake.”

    Ummm.. OK. I also watched it and saw through it instantly as fake. The gibberish Sinhala spoken by the actors, the dodgy SLA uniforms without any unit marking etc.

    Why is your opinion correct and mine incorrect? Are you relying on ‘appeal to authority’ as the SL Specialist at AI to expect us to believe that just because you didn’t think it was fake, we should automatically believe you?

    If that’s your position, then fine. You should also extend the same logic to any and all statements by SL Govt when they said that the IDPs would be re-settled within 12 months or so.

    There are two levels of ‘Truthiness’ to this fake video. Truthiness is a ‘truth’ that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. (© Stephen Colbert)

    Truthiness Level 1: the source of the video
    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    Odd Fact: isn’t it odd that the actor’s faces aren’t clearly visible? If they were, it would be an easy matter to match their faces to SLA identification records and find if any real soldiers were involved. But I guess this is just too difficult for the UN & AI to figure out for themselves.

    Truthiness Level 2: Technical aspects of the video capture
    Here, I’m quite content to let the UN’s experts and SL’s experts battle it out.

    To prove or disprove the Truthiness of the original drama production, all you (and the UN) have to do is to ask the Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) who leaked the to provide the original 1st generation video source file and the source who provided the film.

    You probably know that the JDS is run by Sunandra Deshapriya, a well-known LTTE sympathiser and HR activist. He was sacked from the Centre for Policy Alternatives (CPA) after an inquiry into a million rupee fraud that had occurred in the center. Free Media Movement (FMM) began an investigation into a million rupee fraud. His sacking was apparently due to a‘transaction lacking clarity’.

    What a superb euphemism for financial fraud. I’m sure that bankers across the world will now start to use that phrase.

    If AI, the UN & Alston want to hitch their wagon to Sunandra’s vehicle, good luck. I can’t imagine a more perfect union.

  151. Wo Wo Wo – one weekend and see the mess !

    Jim – a small note…

    I think there would be a load of clarity to the message AI want's to put through in this post, you could clearly answer the 4 questions.

    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    If we can get an insight to what AI believe in this regard, we can take this conversation to a different level of intellect. At the moment, I see that the blog is distorted a bit and heading nowhere.

  152. I found the original unedited video footage
    http://www.australiantamilcongress.com/videodj.3g

    The victims in the Chanel 4 execution video are not captured SLA soldiers.

    The Sri Lankan Army men have no beards and their hair cut short.

    Almost all of the slaughtered human beings in the execution video have facial hair and medium length hair cuts

    They are probably the Tamil civilians

  153. I found the original unedited video footage
    http://www.australiantamilcongress.com/videodj.3g

    The victims in the Chanel 4 execution video are not captured SLA soldiers.

    The Sri Lankan Army men have no beards and their hair cut short.

    Almost all of the slaughtered human beings in the execution video have facial hair and medium length hair cuts

    They are probably the Tamil civilians

  154. I found the original unedited video footage
    http://www.australiantamilcongress.com/videodj.3g

    The victims in the Chanel 4 execution video are not captured SLA soldiers.

    The Sri Lankan Army men have no beards and their hair cut short.

    Almost all of the slaughtered human beings in the execution video have facial hair and medium length hair cuts

    They are probably the Tamil civilians

  155. Wo Wo Wo – one weekend and see the mess !

    Jim – a small note…

    I think there would be a load of clarity to the message AI want’s to put through in this post, you could clearly answer the 4 questions.

    Has anyone proved beyond reasonable doubt that the video was:
    a) filmed in Sri Lanka,
    b) that the people involved are Lankan soldiers (and not LTTE cadres in SLA uniforms),
    c) the actors being shot are LTTE detainees (and not captured SLA soldiers),
    d) or that the killings were real and not simulated.

    If we can get an insight to what AI believe in this regard, we can take this conversation to a different level of intellect. At the moment, I see that the blog is distorted a bit and heading nowhere.

  156. My Man Kumar,

    How authentic do U think is a post on Aussie Tamil Congress when we vehemently condemn the Channel 4 clip ?? If it was CIA, NIA or even a UN site that clearly states that it is authentic, we can take it as 100% proof. But none of them do – why ?? Because even they have questions and not sure of authenticity. They would not jump the gun like AI because they are more responsible.

    We all know how the LTTE dressed uo as SL soldiers talking in Singhala came in to border villages and killed so many innocent people – may be this is one such footage – don't ya think ??

  157. Reductio ad Absurdum

    Odd Fact: isn’t it odd that the actor’s faces aren’t clearly visible? If they were, it would be an easy matter to match their faces to SLA identification records and find if any real soldiers were involved. But I guess this is just too difficult for the UN & AI to figure out for themselves.

    I doubt the victims in the Channel 4 execution video were actors.

    BTW did you read any comments here ?

    Mr Fredericks, who was previously the head of the Vancouver police forensic video unit in Canada, said that there was also strong evidence to rule out the use of actors.

    “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said

    The reactions of those executed was consistent with reality, he added. “The victims do not lunge forward . . . [they] fall backward in a very realistic reaction, unlike what is normally depicted in the movies.”

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

  158. So called Buddhist,

    Since your post is meant for another to answer, I will take only 2 points !

    “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said

    1. knowing how stupid the LTTE guys are, they would still do it
    2. These actually could be LTTE guys killing some innocent people dressed in army uniforms (as they did in border villages)
    3. These are not air riffles to emit gas with a force, if you know how a machine gun operates, it is the bullet that fires up on impact with trigger and shoots itself out. (any idiot would know this)
    4. May be if a real bullet was shot, the guys would get so thrown away and so much more injury should be cause at short range – ideally the whole face should come out from the other side including the eye balls popping out.

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

    May be the LTTE actually used innocent people for this purpose – see, being a terrorist organization, they have a record of doing so, where as the SLA, being a legal entity does not have such records of killing innocent people – they only saved them, but still getting brick backs than flowers from the very people who were saved :( . Sad Noh ???

    Bottom line is that any donkey could see any thing and interpret in many ways. But, it takes more than what you see and interpret in your head to prove the authenticity of something. BTW, how much did it cost to get Fredrick to comment on the video ??

  159. I found the original unedited video footage

    http://www.australiantamilcongress.com/videodj.3gp

    The victims in the Chanel 4 execution video are not captured SLA soldiers.

    The Sri Lankan Army men have no beards and their hair cut short.

    Almost all of the slaughtered human beings in the execution video have facial hair and medium length hair cuts

    They are probably the Tamil civilians

  160. My Man Kumar,

    How authentic do U think is a post on Aussie Tamil Congress when we vehemently condemn the Channel 4 clip ?? If it was CIA, NIA or even a UN site that clearly states that it is authentic, we can take it as 100% proof. But none of them do – why ?? Because even they have questions and not sure of authenticity. They would not jump the gun like AI because they are more responsible.

    We all know how the LTTE dressed uo as SL soldiers talking in Singhala came in to border villages and killed so many innocent people – may be this is one such footage – don’t ya think ??

  161. Reductio ad Absurdum

    Odd Fact: isn’t it odd that the actor’s faces aren’t clearly visible? If they were, it would be an easy matter to match their faces to SLA identification records and find if any real soldiers were involved. But I guess this is just too difficult for the UN & AI to figure out for themselves.

    I doubt the victims in the Channel 4 execution video were actors.

    BTW did you read any comments here ?

    Mr Fredericks, who was previously the head of the Vancouver police forensic video unit in Canada, said that there was also strong evidence to rule out the use of actors.

    “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said

    The reactions of those executed was consistent with reality, he added. “The victims do not lunge forward . . . [they] fall backward in a very realistic reaction, unlike what is normally depicted in the movies.”

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

  162. So called Buddhist,

    Since your post is meant for another to answer, I will take only 2 points !

    “Even if the weapons fired blanks, the barrel is so close to the head of the ‘actors’ that the gas discharge alone leaves the weapon with such force it would likely cause serious injury or death,” Mr Fredericks said

    1. knowing how stupid the LTTE guys are, they would still do it
    2. These actually could be LTTE guys killing some innocent people dressed in army uniforms (as they did in border villages)
    3. These are not air riffles to emit gas with a force, if you know how a machine gun operates, it is the bullet that fires up on impact with trigger and shoots itself out. (any idiot would know this)
    4. May be if a real bullet was shot, the guys would get so thrown away and so much more injury should be cause at short range – ideally the whole face should come out from the other side including the eye balls popping out.

    In Mr Fredericks’s opinion “the injury to the head of the second victim and the oozing liquid from that injury cannot be reproduced realistically without editing cuts, camera angle changes and special effects. No [errors] exist anywhere in any of the images that support a technical fabrication of the events depicted,” he said.

    May be the LTTE actually used innocent people for this purpose – see, being a terrorist organization, they have a record of doing so, where as the SLA, being a legal entity does not have such records of killing innocent people – they only saved them, but still getting brick backs than flowers from the very people who were saved :( . Sad Noh ???

    Bottom line is that any donkey could see any thing and interpret in many ways. But, it takes more than what you see and interpret in your head to prove the authenticity of something. BTW, how much did it cost to get Fredrick to comment on the video ??

  163. The Sri Lankan government, instead of facing the evidence of the video clip incriminating its Armed forces and taking action to find the guilty, has started an action against the Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) – to shoot the messenger rather – than examine the evidence.

  164. The point of my original post and subsequent comments was to point out that Alston had said that the video was probably authentic and to repeat AI's call for an independent investigation into reports of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law by both sides during the closing stages of the war. Some commentors appear to be asking that I prove the video to be authentic, or are saying that I believe the video to be authentic. As I've said before, I think it warrants an investigation into whether it's authentic.

    I appreciate Reductio ad Absurdum's response to my earlier comment, to the extent that in his response he does appear to provide reasons for why he thinks the video is obviously fake: "gibberish Sinhala" which he says was spoken by the alleged soldiers, uniforms without unit markings, and "etc." (I hope he'll elaborate upon what he meant by "etc." since it's not clear what he meant by it). As you know if you read the appendix to Alston's technical note, none of his experts spoke Sinhala so they couldn't comment on that aspect of the video. I'd appreciate comments here about the language used in the video and whether, as Reductio ad Absurdum states, it demonstrates that the video is a fake. As for the lack of visible unit markings on the uniforms, I'd appreciate comments here (to the extent any commentors know) on whether all uniforms have unit markings and on the placement of the unit markings on the uniforms (that is, given the angles at which we see the alleged soldiers, would we expect to see the unit markings on the uniforms?). People might also comment on whether, if the alleged soldiers knew that their killings were about to be recorded, they might first remove unit markings from their uniforms to make more difficult the process of identifying them.

    Reductio ad Absurdum found it odd that the faces of the alleged soldiers weren't visible. I would have thought that anyone deciding to record people shooting rifles at others would be sure to stay behind the ones firing the rifles, and not at their sides or in front of them, so as to avoid getting hit by the bullets.

  165. Jim,

    Here's the same video purporting to be the 'original' Tamil language version. An LTTE training video for its cadres in how to shoot bound civilians (as they did many times over)?
    http://tinyurl.com/yeow4s7

    C4 in its weasel-worded disclaimer said "We cannot verify the authenticity or veracity of this footage”.

    For consistency, C4 should publish the Protocols of Elders of Zion and claim that they cannot verify its authenticity.

    And Alston, with the entire UN at his disposal didn't think to get hold of a native Sinhala speaker to attest to the language issue? Can't he use Google?

    No government and certainly not the SL govt is going to investigate anything until it is given the source material. If JDS are so sure of their data, let them give the source video and info on its' origination to the SL govt, through trusted third parties, if necessary.

    Until then, it remains a useful football to be used by distraught LTTE supporters still trying to get to grips with having lost any chance of attaining Eelam.

    You make a good point about the cameraman not wanting to hit by stray bullets and thus no obvious facial recognition. My less charitable view is that given that this is a faked video, they deliberately avoided showing their faces. Usually, real perpetrators of this type of thing (e.g. Abu-Ghraib, Bosnian serbs etc) want to be recognised.

    p.s. watch out for the JDS. I hear they have a bridge to sell.

    p.p.s perhaps I was being too hasty in asking for it be submitted to the Oscars. The Golden Globes will have to suffice.

  166. Jim,

    Here's the same video purporting to be the 'original' Tamil language version. An LTTE training video for its cadres in how to shoot bound civilians (as they did many times over)?
    http://tinyurl.com/yeow4s7

    C4 in its weasel-worded disclaimer said "We cannot verify the authenticity or veracity of this footage”.

    For consistency, C4 should publish the Protocols of Elders of Zion and claim that they cannot verify its authenticity.

    And Alston, with the entire UN at his disposal didn't think to get hold of a native Sinhala speaker to attest to the language issue? Can't he use Google?

    No government and certainly not the SL govt is going to investigate anything until it is given the source material. If JDS are so sure of their data, let them give the source video and info on its' origination to the SL govt, through trusted third parties, if necessary.

    Until then, it remains a useful football to be used by distraught LTTE supporters still trying to get to grips with having lost any chance of attaining Eelam.

    You make a good point about the cameraman not wanting to hit by stray bullets and thus no obvious facial recognition. My less charitable view is that given that this is a faked video, they deliberately avoided showing their faces. Usually, real perpetrators of this type of thing (e.g. Abu-Ghraib, Bosnian serbs etc) want to be recognised.

    p.s. watch out for the JDS. I hear they have a bridge to sell.

    p.p.s perhaps I was being too hasty in asking for it be submitted to the Oscars. The Golden Globes will have to suffice.

  167. Jim,

    Here's the same video purporting to be the 'original' Tamil language version. An LTTE training video for its cadres in how to shoot bound civilians (as they did many times over)?
    http://tinyurl.com/yeow4s7

    C4 in its weasel-worded disclaimer said "We cannot verify the authenticity or veracity of this footage”.

    For consistency, C4 should publish the Protocols of Elders of Zion and claim that they cannot verify its authenticity.

    And Alston, with the entire UN at his disposal didn't think to get hold of a native Sinhala speaker to attest to the language issue? Can't he use Google?

    No government and certainly not the SL govt is going to investigate anything until it is given the source material. If JDS are so sure of their data, let them give the source video and info on its' origination to the SL govt, through trusted third parties, if necessary.

    Until then, it remains a useful football to be used by distraught LTTE supporters still trying to get to grips with having lost any chance of attaining Eelam.

    You make a good point about the cameraman not wanting to hit by stray bullets and thus no obvious facial recognition. My less charitable view is that given that this is a faked video, they deliberately avoided showing their faces. Usually, real perpetrators of this type of thing (e.g. Abu-Ghraib, Bosnian serbs etc) want to be recognised.

    p.s. watch out for the JDS. I hear they have a bridge to sell.

    p.p.s perhaps I was being too hasty in asking for it be submitted to the Oscars. The Golden Globes will have to suffice.

  168. Jim,

    As Steve Jobs would say, and one more thing….

    I presume you've already read the disclaimer taken from Alston's report (Tech Note Appendix).

    "Image Authentication” Version 1.0 2007.06.041, establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    It's that annoying 'P' word again. Provenance. And the UN want to base an investigation with that sort of get-out clause? Alston must be delusional.

    Are the victims:
    Dissident Tamil Civilians who tried to escape the clutches of the LTTE ?
    Sinhalese peasants captured by the LTTE?
    Muslim peasants captured by the LTTE?
    SLA soldiers captured and stripped by the LTTE ?

    Unlike Fat Boy VP's well-documented death, this is far too murky and not a clear cut fait accomplis that the LTTE supporters are praying for.

  169. The Sri Lankan government, instead of facing the evidence of the video clip incriminating its Armed forces and taking action to find the guilty, has started an action against the Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) – to shoot the messenger rather – than examine the evidence.

  170. The point of my original post and subsequent comments was to point out that Alston had said that the video was probably authentic and to repeat AI’s call for an independent investigation into reports of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law by both sides during the closing stages of the war. Some commentors appear to be asking that I prove the video to be authentic, or are saying that I believe the video to be authentic. As I’ve said before, I think it warrants an investigation into whether it’s authentic.

    I appreciate Reductio ad Absurdum’s response to my earlier comment, to the extent that in his response he does appear to provide reasons for why he thinks the video is obviously fake: “gibberish Sinhala” which he says was spoken by the alleged soldiers, uniforms without unit markings, and “etc.” (I hope he’ll elaborate upon what he meant by “etc.” since it’s not clear what he meant by it). As you know if you read the appendix to Alston’s technical note, none of his experts spoke Sinhala so they couldn’t comment on that aspect of the video. I’d appreciate comments here about the language used in the video and whether, as Reductio ad Absurdum states, it demonstrates that the video is a fake. As for the lack of visible unit markings on the uniforms, I’d appreciate comments here (to the extent any commentors know) on whether all uniforms have unit markings and on the placement of the unit markings on the uniforms (that is, given the angles at which we see the alleged soldiers, would we expect to see the unit markings on the uniforms?). People might also comment on whether, if the alleged soldiers knew that their killings were about to be recorded, they might first remove unit markings from their uniforms to make more difficult the process of identifying them.

    Reductio ad Absurdum found it odd that the faces of the alleged soldiers weren’t visible. I would have thought that anyone deciding to record people shooting rifles at others would be sure to stay behind the ones firing the rifles, and not at their sides or in front of them, so as to avoid getting hit by the bullets.

  171. Jim,

    Here’s the same video purporting to be the ‘original’ Tamil language version. An LTTE training video for its cadres in how to shoot bound civilians (as they did many times over)?

    http://tinyurl.com/yeow4s7

    C4 in its weasel-worded disclaimer said “We cannot verify the authenticity or veracity of this footage”.

    For consistency, C4 should publish the Protocols of Elders of Zion and claim that they cannot verify its authenticity.

    And Alston, with the entire UN at his disposal didn’t think to get hold of a native Sinhala speaker to attest to the language issue? Can’t he use Google?

    No government and certainly not the SL govt is going to investigate anything until it is given the source material. If JDS are so sure of their data, let them give the source video and info on its’ origination to the SL govt, through trusted third parties, if necessary.

    Until then, it remains a useful football to be used by distraught LTTE supporters still trying to get to grips with having lost any chance of attaining Eelam.

    You make a good point about the cameraman not wanting to hit by stray bullets and thus no obvious facial recognition. My less charitable view is that given that this is a faked video, they deliberately avoided showing their faces. Usually, real perpetrators of this type of thing (e.g. Abu-Ghraib, Bosnian serbs etc) want to be recognised.

    p.s. watch out for the JDS. I hear they have a bridge to sell.

    p.p.s perhaps I was being too hasty in asking for it be submitted to the Oscars. The Golden Globes will have to suffice.

  172. Jim,

    As Steve Jobs would say, and one more thing….

    I presume you’ve already read the disclaimer taken from Alston’s report (Tech Note Appendix).

    “Image Authentication” Version 1.0 2007.06.041, establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    It’s that annoying ‘P’ word again. Provenance. And the UN want to base an investigation with that sort of get-out clause? Alston must be delusional.

    Are the victims:
    Dissident Tamil Civilians who tried to escape the clutches of the LTTE ?
    Sinhalese peasants captured by the LTTE?
    Muslim peasants captured by the LTTE?
    SLA soldiers captured and stripped by the LTTE ?

    Unlike Fat Boy VP’s well-documented death, this is far too murky and not a clear cut fait accomplis that the LTTE supporters are praying for.

  173. Why international community is blind on these children? http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?2a36QVj4b4cF9823

    These asylum seekers are all from the north and east of Sri Lanka. They include children, pregnant women and the elderly. All have been affected by the brutal war and have experienced their own hardships as a result of the oppression of the Tamil minority.

  174. Why international community is blind on these children? http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?2a36QVj4b4cF9823

    These asylum seekers are all from the north and east of Sri Lanka. They include children, pregnant women and the elderly. All have been affected by the brutal war and have experienced their own hardships as a result of the oppression of the Tamil minority.

  175. Why international community is blind on these children? http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?2a36QVj4b4cF9823

    These asylum seekers are all from the north and east of Sri Lanka. They include children, pregnant women and the elderly. All have been affected by the brutal war and have experienced their own hardships as a result of the oppression of the Tamil minority.

  176. Hey Rohan !!

    I still wonder what the relationship your post has with the subject matter put forward by AI for discussion ??

    I trust that Jim will warn you again for the zillionth time.. !

    Anyways, since the post is on – I like to to make a comment for the benefit of the International community.

    The Government of Sri Lanka whole heartedly expects these innocent people to return to Sri Lanka where they have promised to take care of them and provide with all required needs as Shelter, Food, Medical, etc.. So what is the fuss ?? Aren't they digging their own grave ?? Why not grab this offer ?

    It will not be right for any other legally elected government to accept them when SL has clearly mentioned that they would take these people back – that's not how world politics and diplomacy work !

  177. Jim Pappa
    If they have confident in your governments, why do they leave the country? Why 1/3 of the Tamils escape the country? Your answer always ltte, now over 61 years Tamils are running to escape from brutal oppression from the states.

  178. Hey Rohan !!

    I still wonder what the relationship your post has with the subject matter put forward by AI for discussion ??

    I trust that Jim will warn you again for the zillionth time.. !

    Anyways, since the post is on – I like to to make a comment for the benefit of the International community.

    The Government of Sri Lanka whole heartedly expects these innocent people to return to Sri Lanka where they have promised to take care of them and provide with all required needs as Shelter, Food, Medical, etc.. So what is the fuss ?? Aren’t they digging their own grave ?? Why not grab this offer ?

    It will not be right for any other legally elected government to accept them when SL has clearly mentioned that they would take these people back – that’s not how world politics and diplomacy work !

  179. Rohan,

    So U want to go off topic again and again I see !!

    I think they are leaving not because they have lack of confidence in the SL government, but they lack self confidence. I trust that they want to get out of the country and go patronize the western world so that they could have a better life, which not only the Tamils, but most Sri Lankans do – this is quite understood as Sri Lanka indeed is not as developed as most of the other countries around or in the west. But then again, they also need to understand that this set back was a direct result of the War which was created by an idiotic mentally challenged person – hence, we can certainly be hopeful for a brighter future and being a part of this future or leaving the country is up to an individual. We don't question the 2.5 million Tamils who are left behind ha ? Why are they not leaving and are most willing to stick around and live a life here?? May be they have more confidence in themselves.

    I am not sure how you managed to count how many Tamils left the Island over the past 61 years, but, if we take the grand total, I would say that the other ethnic groups as Singhales and Burghers would definitely out number the Tamils who left the country. Also don't forget the addition of the estate tamils to the population by awarding citizenship. So if you take the number that left and the number added during the past 61 years, I think the additions would out number the lefties…

    better get your facts right when arguing – even if it is off topic. !

  180. Jim Pappa
    If they have confident in your governments, why do they leave the country? Why 1/3 of the Tamils escape the country? Your answer always ltte, now over 61 years Tamils are running to escape from brutal oppression from the states.

  181. Rohan,

    So U want to go off topic again and again I see !!

    I think they are leaving not because they have lack of confidence in the SL government, but they lack self confidence. I trust that they want to get out of the country and go patronize the western world so that they could have a better life, which not only the Tamils, but most Sri Lankans do – this is quite understood as Sri Lanka indeed is not as developed as most of the other countries around or in the west. But then again, they also need to understand that this set back was a direct result of the War which was created by an idiotic mentally challenged person – hence, we can certainly be hopeful for a brighter future and being a part of this future or leaving the country is up to an individual. We don’t question the 2.5 million Tamils who are left behind ha ? Why are they not leaving and are most willing to stick around and live a life here?? May be they have more confidence in themselves.

    I am not sure how you managed to count how many Tamils left the Island over the past 61 years, but, if we take the grand total, I would say that the other ethnic groups as Singhales and Burghers would definitely out number the Tamils who left the country. Also don’t forget the addition of the estate tamils to the population by awarding citizenship. So if you take the number that left and the number added during the past 61 years, I think the additions would out number the lefties…

    better get your facts right when arguing – even if it is off topic. !

  182. In response to the Jan. 18 comments by Reductio ad Absurdum, I'd hope that the version of the video given on the Asian Tribune website would also be examined, as part of any investigation into the video. It's interesting that the Asian Tribune article doesn't describe how they obtained their version or how it was determined that that version was the original. It might be that the Sri Lankan government's experts' reports would have more to say on the language issue; I'd greatly appreciate it if someone were able to locate those reports on the web somewhere.

    I appreciate the citation made by Reductio ad Absurdum to Jeff Spivack's report (Spivack being one of the experts retained by Alston). I'd suggest that those interested read Spivack's report, including his conclusion on page 15 of his report, in which he states that his analysis cannot confirm the identities of the alleged victims or shooters, or authenticate the video to an absolute certainty without access to the device purportedly used to make the recording. He does conclude that there are characteristics of the recording that are highly suggestive of authenticity.

    With respect to the recent comments by Rohan and Jim Pappa, your comments are not appropriate for this forum as they are not relevant to the issues raised in the original blog entry. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment.

  183. Reductio ad Absurdum Says:
    January 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Link given that is ASIAN TRIBUNE, which is GOSL propaganda site. http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/2/24734_

    To find the truth international independent investigation necessary. Is sri lanka ready for that?
    Sri lanka in the past had many investigation, like 17 Aid workers, trinco students, … what happened to them?

  184. In response to the Jan. 18 comments by Reductio ad Absurdum, I’d hope that the version of the video given on the Asian Tribune website would also be examined, as part of any investigation into the video. It’s interesting that the Asian Tribune article doesn’t describe how they obtained their version or how it was determined that that version was the original. It might be that the Sri Lankan government’s experts’ reports would have more to say on the language issue; I’d greatly appreciate it if someone were able to locate those reports on the web somewhere.

    I appreciate the citation made by Reductio ad Absurdum to Jeff Spivack’s report (Spivack being one of the experts retained by Alston). I’d suggest that those interested read Spivack’s report, including his conclusion on page 15 of his report, in which he states that his analysis cannot confirm the identities of the alleged victims or shooters, or authenticate the video to an absolute certainty without access to the device purportedly used to make the recording. He does conclude that there are characteristics of the recording that are highly suggestive of authenticity.

    With respect to the recent comments by Rohan and Jim Pappa, your comments are not appropriate for this forum as they are not relevant to the issues raised in the original blog entry. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment.

  185. I guess one way to get out of the Channel 4 video mess is to blow a lot of smoke about Phillip Alston and his alleged bias.

    Another strategy is to make unjustified comparisons between dissimilar events happening in the UK and USA vs Sri Lanka.

    Why are we comparing US and UK ’shoot to kill’ policies regarding suspected suicide bombers with the Channel 4 video, which purportedly seems to show soldiers killing civilians?

    Even if they were terrorists, the video does not show them being shot in the heat of action, which is what ’shoot to kill’ policies are about.

    How are legitimate ’shoot to kill’ policies for suspected suicide bombers, enacted by governments with the intent of protecting citizens (even if executed in error) to be considered “arbitrary executions” and to be equated with a video allegedly showing soldiers arbitrarily executing their own citizens without even proper army authority?

    Isn’t this arbitrariness that which Alston wants to investigate?

    Killing people while in police custody, which we all know has happened in Sri Lanka, can be passed off as ‘normal’, as something that happens in developed countries too?

    The facts don’t bear you out in this case.

    Which was why Alston could go no further than revealing the facts. He was nevertheless instrumental in bringing public notice to these countries’ use of ’shoot to kill’ policies.

    The UN however is empowered in principle to investigate and prosecute war crimes.

    Which was why Alston was able to make recommendations of investigation for war crimes in Sri Lanka’s case.

    Alston declared it to be authentic.

    One may not agree with his findings, but to say that he did not even bother to do his own investigations before coming to a conclusion is patently false.

    He did not soft pedal anything.

    How different from the SL government, which offers government and army lackeys to conduct an ‘independent’ inquiry.

    Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video.

    What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live.

    Does it really matter what US and UK are doing?

    Isn’t it more urgent to find out if such arbitrary executions took place in SL?

    Or is it the SL government to whom you owe your patriotism, not to fellow-citizens

  186. Reductio ad Absurdum Says:
    January 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Link given that is ASIAN TRIBUNE, which is GOSL propaganda site. http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/2/24734_

    To find the truth international independent investigation necessary. Is sri lanka ready for that?
    Sri lanka in the past had many investigation, like 17 Aid workers, trinco students, … what happened to them?

  187. Reductio ad Absurdum Says:
    January 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Link given that is ASIAN TRIBUNE, which is GOSL propaganda site. http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/2/24734_

    To find the truth international independent investigation necessary. Is sri lanka ready for that?
    Sri lanka in the past had many investigation, like 17 Aid workers, trinco students, … what happened to them?

  188. Sin Hell

    Hello

    Jim McDonald is looking for an article on internet

    “It might be that the Sri Lankan government’s experts’ reports would have more to say on the language issue; I’d greatly appreciate it if someone were able to locate those reports on the web somewhere. “

    I’m looking can look you for it too if time permits :)

  189. Jim,

    This video is turning into a Sri Lankan version of Rashomon. As I've repeated ad nauseum above, until the provenance of the video can be verified and authenticated, this production will remain a fake.

    Only the JDS can solve this mystery. They remain strangely unwilling to establish the video's origins. I wonder why? Perhaps because they know that the whole thing is rubbish and it probably shows LTTE cadres killing unknown persons.

    For the sake of argument, let's assume that Alston's experts are correct and the film does show people dressed in SLA uniforms killing other people. What cannot be proved is that the 'soldiers' are SLA troopers and the victims, LTTE terrorists.

    They could be any of the categories I've mentioned previously.

    Given the uncertainty of all this, you should change the wording of your blog posting to reflect the reality we've all seen proven. The key paragraph from Alston's experts must also be included in your posting:

    "establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    To Seyon,

    In this instance, I don't even have to bother making valid comparison about Alston's proven partiality, C4's incompetence & lies, the West's culpability in allowing a murderous band of terrorists to fund-raise in safety etc.

    Alston's own experts have a disclaimer about the provenance of the video. i.e. Alston's declaration of authenticity is worthless because his own experts have said "establishing the authenticityof a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic…"

    Did you really mean to write "What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live."

    The right to life, welfare of all SL citizens, animals, plants, microbes and every living thing was immeasurably improved by the destruction and necessary crushing of the LTTE.

    I wish that this could've been achieved without civilian casualties, but given the LTTE's actions, that wasn't even a remote possibility. The responsibility for their deaths (in heavy combat, used as human shields) lies exclusively with the LTTE – the unelected, murderous 'sole representatives' of the Tamil peoples of SL.

    It's a bit late in the day for LTTE-supporters to whine about human rights abuses. I didn't see mass demonstrations by these LTTE diaspora supporters when the LTTE (Tamils) murdered hundreds of ex-LTTE cadres (other Tamils) from the defecting Karuna group. Or were you all writing letters of congratulations to Fat Boy VP and sending your hard-earned cash for more guns and bullets?

    Did you also mean to write "Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video." How could the actors be identified when their faces couldn't clearly be seen ?

    To Tamil Kovil,

    Could I also ask you to locate the famous LTTE combat videos showing LTTE terrorists shooting wounded SLA soldiers? Perhaps you'll need to go through some old Nitharsanam Unit videos. Thanks.

  190. Jim,

    This video is turning into a Sri Lankan version of Rashomon. As I've repeated ad nauseum above, until the provenance of the video can be verified and authenticated, this production will remain a fake. Only the JDS can solve this mystery. They remain strangely unwilling to establish the video's origins. I wonder why? Perhaps because they know that the whole thing is rubbish and it probably shows LTTE cadres killing unknown persons.

    For the sake of argument, let's assume that Alston's experts are correct and the film does show people dressed in SLA uniforms killing other people. What cannot be proved is that the 'soldiers' are SLA troopers and the victims, LTTE terrorists.

    They could be any of the categories I've mentioned previously.

    Given the uncertainty of all this, you should change the wording of your blog posting to reflect the reality we've all seen proven. The key paragraph from Alston's experts must also be included in your posting:

    "establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    To Seyon,

    In this instance, I don't even have to bother making valid comparison about Alston's proven partiality, C4's incompetence & lies, the West's culpability in allowing a murderous band of terrorists to fund-raise in safety etc.

    Alston's own experts have a disclaimer about the provenance of the video. i.e. Alston's declaration of authenticity is worthless because his own experts have said "establishing the authenticityof a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic…"

    Did you really mean to write "What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live."

    The right to life, welfare of all SL citizens, animals, plants, microbes and every living thing was immeasurably improved by the destruction and necessary crushing of the LTTE.

    I wish that this could've been achieved without civilian casualties, but given the LTTE's actions, that wasn't even a remote possibility. The responsibility for their deaths (in heavy combat, used as human shields) lies exclusively with the LTTE – the unelected, murderous 'sole representatives' of the Tamil peoples of SL.

    It's a bit late in the day for LTTE-supporters to whine about human rights abuses. I didn't see mass demonstrations by these LTTE diaspora supporters when the LTTE (Tamils) murdered hundreds of ex-LTTE cadres (other Tamils) from the defecting Karuna group. Or were you all writing letters of congratulations to Fat Boy VP and sending your hard-earned cash for more guns and bullets?

    Did you also mean to write "Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video." How could the actors be identified when their faces couldn't clearly be seen ?

    To Tamil Kovil,

    Could I also ask you to locate the famous LTTE combat videos showing LTTE terrorists shooting wounded SLA soldiers? Perhaps you'll need to go through some old Nitharsanam Unit videos. Thanks.

    Oh, and AI are censoring me again.. rather tedious, but I guess they're not very happy about me. So any lack of response is due to their censorship :)

  191. I guess one way to get out of the Channel 4 video mess is to blow a lot of smoke about Phillip Alston and his alleged bias.

    Another strategy is to make unjustified comparisons between dissimilar events happening in the UK and USA vs Sri Lanka.

    Why are we comparing US and UK ’shoot to kill’ policies regarding suspected suicide bombers with the Channel 4 video, which purportedly seems to show soldiers killing civilians?

    Even if they were terrorists, the video does not show them being shot in the heat of action, which is what ’shoot to kill’ policies are about.

    How are legitimate ’shoot to kill’ policies for suspected suicide bombers, enacted by governments with the intent of protecting citizens (even if executed in error) to be considered “arbitrary executions” and to be equated with a video allegedly showing soldiers arbitrarily executing their own citizens without even proper army authority?

    Isn’t this arbitrariness that which Alston wants to investigate?

    Killing people while in police custody, which we all know has happened in Sri Lanka, can be passed off as ‘normal’, as something that happens in developed countries too?

    The facts don’t bear you out in this case.

    Which was why Alston could go no further than revealing the facts. He was nevertheless instrumental in bringing public notice to these countries’ use of ’shoot to kill’ policies.

    The UN however is empowered in principle to investigate and prosecute war crimes.

    Which was why Alston was able to make recommendations of investigation for war crimes in Sri Lanka’s case.

    Alston declared it to be authentic.

    One may not agree with his findings, but to say that he did not even bother to do his own investigations before coming to a conclusion is patently false.

    He did not soft pedal anything.

    How different from the SL government, which offers government and army lackeys to conduct an ‘independent’ inquiry.

    Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video.

    What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live.

    Does it really matter what US and UK are doing?

    Isn’t it more urgent to find out if such arbitrary executions took place in SL?

    Or is it the SL government to whom you owe your patriotism, not to fellow-citizens

  192. Reductio ad Absurdum Says:
    January 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Link given that is ASIAN TRIBUNE, which is GOSL propaganda site.
    http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/2/24734_space.html

    To find the truth international independent investigation necessary. Is sri lanka ready for that?
    Sri lanka in the past had many investigation, like 17 Aid workers, trinco students, … what happened to them?

  193. Sin Hell

    Hello

    Jim McDonald is looking for an article on internet

    “It might be that the Sri Lankan government’s experts’ reports would have more to say on the language issue; I’d greatly appreciate it if someone were able to locate those reports on the web somewhere. “

    I’m looking can look you for it too if time permits :)

  194. Jim,

    This video is turning into a Sri Lankan version of Rashomon. As I’ve repeated ad nauseum above, until the provenance of the video can be verified and authenticated, this production will remain a fake.

    Only the JDS can solve this mystery. They remain strangely unwilling to establish the video’s origins. I wonder why? Perhaps because they know that the whole thing is rubbish and it probably shows LTTE cadres killing unknown persons.

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume that Alston’s experts are correct and the film does show people dressed in SLA uniforms killing other people. What cannot be proved is that the ‘soldiers’ are SLA troopers and the victims, LTTE terrorists.

    They could be any of the categories I’ve mentioned previously.

    Given the uncertainty of all this, you should change the wording of your blog posting to reflect the reality we’ve all seen proven. The key paragraph from Alston’s experts must also be included in your posting:

    “establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    To Seyon,

    In this instance, I don’t even have to bother making valid comparison about Alston’s proven partiality, C4′s incompetence & lies, the West’s culpability in allowing a murderous band of terrorists to fund-raise in safety etc.

    Alston’s own experts have a disclaimer about the provenance of the video. i.e. Alston’s declaration of authenticity is worthless because his own experts have said “establishing the authenticityof a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic…”

    Did you really mean to write “What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live.”

    The right to life, welfare of all SL citizens, animals, plants, microbes and every living thing was immeasurably improved by the destruction and necessary crushing of the LTTE.

    I wish that this could’ve been achieved without civilian casualties, but given the LTTE’s actions, that wasn’t even a remote possibility. The responsibility for their deaths (in heavy combat, used as human shields) lies exclusively with the LTTE – the unelected, murderous ‘sole representatives’ of the Tamil peoples of SL.

    It’s a bit late in the day for LTTE-supporters to whine about human rights abuses. I didn’t see mass demonstrations by these LTTE diaspora supporters when the LTTE (Tamils) murdered hundreds of ex-LTTE cadres (other Tamils) from the defecting Karuna group. Or were you all writing letters of congratulations to Fat Boy VP and sending your hard-earned cash for more guns and bullets?

    Did you also mean to write “Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video.” How could the actors be identified when their faces couldn’t clearly be seen ?

    To Tamil Kovil,

    Could I also ask you to locate the famous LTTE combat videos showing LTTE terrorists shooting wounded SLA soldiers? Perhaps you’ll need to go through some old Nitharsanam Unit videos. Thanks.

  195. Jim,

    This video is turning into a Sri Lankan version of Rashomon. As I’ve repeated ad nauseum above, until the provenance of the video can be verified and authenticated, this production will remain a fake. Only the JDS can solve this mystery. They remain strangely unwilling to establish the video’s origins. I wonder why? Perhaps because they know that the whole thing is rubbish and it probably shows LTTE cadres killing unknown persons.

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume that Alston’s experts are correct and the film does show people dressed in SLA uniforms killing other people. What cannot be proved is that the ‘soldiers’ are SLA troopers and the victims, LTTE terrorists.

    They could be any of the categories I’ve mentioned previously.

    Given the uncertainty of all this, you should change the wording of your blog posting to reflect the reality we’ve all seen proven. The key paragraph from Alston’s experts must also be included in your posting:

    “establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    To Seyon,

    In this instance, I don’t even have to bother making valid comparison about Alston’s proven partiality, C4′s incompetence & lies, the West’s culpability in allowing a murderous band of terrorists to fund-raise in safety etc.

    Alston’s own experts have a disclaimer about the provenance of the video. i.e. Alston’s declaration of authenticity is worthless because his own experts have said “establishing the authenticityof a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic…”

    Did you really mean to write “What I don’t see from these people who defend the SL government’s actions: any concern at all for the welfare of SL citizens, especially their right to live.”

    The right to life, welfare of all SL citizens, animals, plants, microbes and every living thing was immeasurably improved by the destruction and necessary crushing of the LTTE.

    I wish that this could’ve been achieved without civilian casualties, but given the LTTE’s actions, that wasn’t even a remote possibility. The responsibility for their deaths (in heavy combat, used as human shields) lies exclusively with the LTTE – the unelected, murderous ‘sole representatives’ of the Tamil peoples of SL.

    It’s a bit late in the day for LTTE-supporters to whine about human rights abuses. I didn’t see mass demonstrations by these LTTE diaspora supporters when the LTTE (Tamils) murdered hundreds of ex-LTTE cadres (other Tamils) from the defecting Karuna group. Or were you all writing letters of congratulations to Fat Boy VP and sending your hard-earned cash for more guns and bullets?

    Did you also mean to write “Their so-called inquiry did not even identify the people who appeared on the video.” How could the actors be identified when their faces couldn’t clearly be seen ?

    To Tamil Kovil,

    Could I also ask you to locate the famous LTTE combat videos showing LTTE terrorists shooting wounded SLA soldiers? Perhaps you’ll need to go through some old Nitharsanam Unit videos. Thanks.

    Oh, and AI are censoring me again.. rather tedious, but I guess they’re not very happy about me. So any lack of response is due to their censorship :)

  196. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum's comment of Jan. 20, 3:10 P.M., I would note that Alston's conclusion in his technical note was to call for an independent investigation into alleged war crimes and other violations of international humanitarian and human rights law reportedly committed in Sri Lanka. Presumably, such an investigation could include an investigation into this video. Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained. I hope an independent investigation can be done, so we may eventually learn the truth.

  197. Jim,

    I'm having difficulty in following your logic.

    You say "Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained"

    So you assume that the actions shown on the video are real until it is proven to be a fake? Err… OK..

    Does that apply to any video of any alleged atrocity whose provenance is unknown, or just this one?

    If I was to provide you with a video of Salil Shetty (head of AI), eating babies, without any indication of it's provenance, you would announce that it is not a fake. Correct?

    Until the origins of this video can be established beyond doubt, neither you, I or even Alston can know that it even originated from SL.

    Currently there are at least three different versions of this video doing the rounds on the internet.

    Which is the correct one?

    Which is the one whose provenance can be certified as 'The One'. The one released by the JDS, the one on the Asian Tribune website or the one released by Tamilnet?

  198. I do not claim to possess knowledge in regards to this matter.

    That is why I defer to the experts.

    And, it is an issue beyond common sense.

    Alston’s experts performed ballistic analysis as part of their investigation.

    Can we use common sense to reach the same conclusions as with ballistic analysis for example. ?

    Mental gymnastics??

    Maybe you chaps can :)

    BTW A Govt. that has nothing to hide would want to clear its forces through an investigation rather than protect the perpetrators.

  199. The visual medium is powerful on video.
    The Trinco 5 and ACF massacres didn’t have a “live execution” video, so this gets more attention worldwide; sensational or not, the Tamil victims, survivors and their advocates are right to focus on such pieces of evidence as it gives them hope that justice will one day prevail.

  200. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum's comment of Jan. 20, 8:27 P.M., I don't know why one must make an assumption now as to what an investigation would conclude about the authenticity of the video. It should be possible to reserve judgment for the time being. Alston's experts' reports led Alston to conclude that the video couldn't be dismissed now as a fake. As I've said before, I hope an investigation will be done that will help us determine the truth in this matter.

  201. Gee – a lot to write, but little to bother about !

    Let me start with Jim on his comment on January 20th, 2010 at 8:06 am – Why R u warning me ??? I only answered the questions – I have not deviated from the subject matter – Also please note that I answer the questions after clearly mentioning that it is off topic is because I do not want an outsider reading the blog to feel that we are running away from the questions and that we are cowards – If you want me to stick to the subject, (by all means that's what I do), Block those who write out side the subject matter and delete those comments – I will have no need to go beyond subject matter.

    Then Jim – by making the comment "Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained." you are putting AI, the world judiciary system and the United Nations in to shame.

    In any respected legislative system, "Proven until Guilty" is considered "GOD". That is what the judiciary systems stand for. If AI or you in particular are going beyond this to feel that you guys are "Gods" to say that your thinking process is mightier than a proven judiciary is digging your own grave to loose credibility. Jim, That comment is pretty immature – I wonder whether this is your first job, just out of school – If so, I would require a more experienced hand on HR issues to handle issues related to SL. In fact, I am wondering how to put forward a petition against you based on this immature comment you made and get AI to get you off our poor rear ends – You really need to think far ahead before you leap my child.

  202. Seyon,

    Re. your comment Does it really matter what US and UK are doing?

    Yes – it does matter when they are served at Hilton and we are served at Ananda Bhavan. If it is right when they do it, as an equal legal entity a democratic country as them, we do get the same right now don't we ? So, if it's right for them, so it is for us….

    The other comment you made,
    I do not claim to possess knowledge in regards to this matter. That is why I defer to the experts. And, it is an issue beyond common sense. Alston’s experts performed ballistic analysis as part of their investigation.

    None of us who try to argue here do posses knowledge in this area including Jim. Indeed why we refer (is that what you meant by defer?) to the experts. Indeed it is beyond common sense as the subject matter is unknown. But Jim thinks that he has enough common sense to make him self believe that it's authentic (as per his comment It should be possible to reserve judgment for the time being) – So he is almighty to make judgments on the video.

    Seyon, – It is these experts you want to refer to, even Alston, who has said that there are areas that are gray – So why believe it for a second ??? In fact this blog is quite not necessary until such authenticity is proven.

    Seyon, you asked Can we use common sense to reach the same conclusions as with ballistic analysis for example. ?

    My common sense says that the video shows some "mentally challenged brain washed LTTE carders killing Innocent civilians from border villages" – Can we conclude that assumption made via 'Common Sense" and close this subject matter ??

  203. Sorry, forgot to mention – Seyon – by saying that 'it is an issue beyond common sense' and then asking 'can we use common sense to reach the same conclusion ', you contradict your own statement within 3 lines :? :? :?

  204. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum’s comment of Jan. 20, 3:10 P.M., I would note that Alston’s conclusion in his technical note was to call for an independent investigation into alleged war crimes and other violations of international humanitarian and human rights law reportedly committed in Sri Lanka. Presumably, such an investigation could include an investigation into this video. Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained. I hope an independent investigation can be done, so we may eventually learn the truth.

  205. Jim,

    I’m having difficulty in following your logic.

    You say “Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained”

    So you assume that the actions shown on the video are real until it is proven to be a fake? Err… OK..

    Does that apply to any video of any alleged atrocity whose provenance is unknown, or just this one?

    If I was to provide you with a video of Salil Shetty (head of AI), eating babies, without any indication of it’s provenance, you would announce that it is not a fake. Correct?

    Until the origins of this video can be established beyond doubt, neither you, I or even Alston can know that it even originated from SL.

    Currently there are at least three different versions of this video doing the rounds on the internet.

    Which is the correct one?

    Which is the one whose provenance can be certified as ‘The One’. The one released by the JDS, the one on the Asian Tribune website or the one released by Tamilnet?

  206. I do not claim to possess knowledge in regards to this matter.

    That is why I defer to the experts.

    And, it is an issue beyond common sense.

    Alston’s experts performed ballistic analysis as part of their investigation.

    Can we use common sense to reach the same conclusions as with ballistic analysis for example. ?

    Mental gymnastics??

    Maybe you chaps can :)

    BTW A Govt. that has nothing to hide would want to clear its forces through an investigation rather than protect the perpetrators.

  207. The visual medium is powerful on video.
    The Trinco 5 and ACF massacres didn’t have a “live execution” video, so this gets more attention worldwide; sensational or not, the Tamil victims, survivors and their advocates are right to focus on such pieces of evidence as it gives them hope that justice will one day prevail.

  208. As HRW said earlier, http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/08/26/sri-lanka-e

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    "The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind." This one of the finding.

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

  209. As HRW said earlier, http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/08/26/sri-lanka-e

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    "The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind." This one of the finding.

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

  210. As HRW said earlier, http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/08/26/sri-lanka-e

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    "The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind." This one of the finding.

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

  211. Rohan !

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    Is Alston a Sri Lanka or does his name sound Sri Lankan to you? Is he not an international entity ?? What bull shit are you talking about ??


    “The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind.” This one of the finding.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones – they were not blocked as in the case of LTTE cadres or we would have seen more video's of this sort from them. See what they (The LTTE guys) have done with the little bit of freedom they had – they took a video camera, recorded a shooting, dubbed in Singhala, converted the file to a 3gp and put on C4 saying it's from SLA – wow !!

  212. In response to Reductio ad Absurdum’s comment of Jan. 20, 8:27 P.M., I don’t know why one must make an assumption now as to what an investigation would conclude about the authenticity of the video. It should be possible to reserve judgment for the time being. Alston’s experts’ reports led Alston to conclude that the video couldn’t be dismissed now as a fake. As I’ve said before, I hope an investigation will be done that will help us determine the truth in this matter.

  213. Gee – a lot to write, but little to bother about !

    Let me start with Jim on his comment on January 20th, 2010 at 8:06 am – Why R u warning me ??? I only answered the questions – I have not deviated from the subject matter – Also please note that I answer the questions after clearly mentioning that it is off topic is because I do not want an outsider reading the blog to feel that we are running away from the questions and that we are cowards – If you want me to stick to the subject, (by all means that’s what I do), Block those who write out side the subject matter and delete those comments – I will have no need to go beyond subject matter.

    Then Jim – by making the comment “Unlike Reductio ad Absurdum, I do not assume the video is a fake until its provenance is ascertained, as I do not assume the version of the video on the Asian Tribune website is a fake either until its provenance is ascertained.” you are putting AI, the world judiciary system and the United Nations in to shame.

    In any respected legislative system, “Proven until Guilty” is considered “GOD”. That is what the judiciary systems stand for. If AI or you in particular are going beyond this to feel that you guys are “Gods” to say that your thinking process is mightier than a proven judiciary is digging your own grave to loose credibility. Jim, That comment is pretty immature – I wonder whether this is your first job, just out of school – If so, I would require a more experienced hand on HR issues to handle issues related to SL. In fact, I am wondering how to put forward a petition against you based on this immature comment you made and get AI to get you off our poor rear ends – You really need to think far ahead before you leap my child.

  214. Seyon,

    Re. your comment Does it really matter what US and UK are doing?

    Yes – it does matter when they are served at Hilton and we are served at Ananda Bhavan. If it is right when they do it, as an equal legal entity a democratic country as them, we do get the same right now don’t we ? So, if it’s right for them, so it is for us….

    The other comment you made,
    I do not claim to possess knowledge in regards to this matter. That is why I defer to the experts. And, it is an issue beyond common sense. Alston’s experts performed ballistic analysis as part of their investigation.

    None of us who try to argue here do posses knowledge in this area including Jim. Indeed why we refer (is that what you meant by defer?) to the experts. Indeed it is beyond common sense as the subject matter is unknown. But Jim thinks that he has enough common sense to make him self believe that it’s authentic (as per his comment It should be possible to reserve judgment for the time being) – So he is almighty to make judgments on the video.

    Seyon, – It is these experts you want to refer to, even Alston, who has said that there are areas that are gray – So why believe it for a second ??? In fact this blog is quite not necessary until such authenticity is proven.

    Seyon, you asked Can we use common sense to reach the same conclusions as with ballistic analysis for example. ?

    My common sense says that the video shows some “mentally challenged brain washed LTTE carders killing Innocent civilians from border villages” – Can we conclude that assumption made via ‘Common Sense” and close this subject matter ??

  215. Sorry, forgot to mention – Seyon – by saying that ‘it is an issue beyond common sense’ and then asking ‘can we use common sense to reach the same conclusion ‘, you contradict your own statement within 3 lines :? :? :?

  216. I am completely shocked and broken seeing this video during early hours of the day.

    I feel terribly sorry for Tamil people in Srilanka and hope that at least now UN will exert pressure on Srilanka to allow international and independent investigation.

  217. As HRW said earlier,
    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/08/26/sri-lanka-execution-video-shows-need-international-inquiry

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    “The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind.” This one of the finding.

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

  218. Rohan !

    only the International inquiry should expose the truth, If sri lanka say it has clean hand, why it is not allowing any International inquiry?

    Is Alston a Sri Lanka or does his name sound Sri Lankan to you? Is he not an international entity ?? What bull shit are you talking about ??


    “The video and audio of the events depicted in the Video, were continuous without any evidence of start/stops, insertions, deletions, over recordings, editing or tampering of any kind.” This one of the finding.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    There are many video clip available, shows How many SLA used the cell phone Vedio camara in vanni.

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones – they were not blocked as in the case of LTTE cadres or we would have seen more video’s of this sort from them. See what they (The LTTE guys) have done with the little bit of freedom they had – they took a video camera, recorded a shooting, dubbed in Singhala, converted the file to a 3gp and put on C4 saying it’s from SLA – wow !!

  219. I am completely shocked and broken seeing this video during early hours of the day.

    I feel terribly sorry for Tamil people in Srilanka and hope that at least now UN will exert pressure on Srilanka to allow international and independent investigation.

  220. Segei !

    You will be even more shocked if you read this blog from the beginning to figure out that the video is not authentic. It could be an act, deliberated to discredit the SL government or an actual footage of LTTE killing Sri Lankans in Border villages.

    Popeych ! – there are many things that happen world over that shocks all of us !

  221. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 21st, 2010 at 2:35 am

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones http://www.tamilcircle.net/index.php?option=com_c

    We can see not only camara's but also the video clip. No one can claim, that SLA are not allowed any camara in vanni. There are many more, but I am not posting here. We can see how they are killed. I don't see any different bet ween this clip and the other one.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    U know I am not expert, but I understand the language spoken on the clip.

    Today guardian, UK, put the ball on the side of UN Chief for independent inquiry. It said "The ball is now in Ban Ki-moon's court:", What is the responsibility of UN? Is it going to let the minorities to banish from the planet? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/

  222. Jim Pappa and other Sri Lankans,

    Perhaps you all should stop commenting on these kind of silly blogs. Because it only raises their credibility, or whatever left of it. But it will never change their simple minds.

  223. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 21st, 2010 at 2:35 am

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones http://www.tamilcircle.net/index.php?option=com_c

    We can see not only camara's but also the video clip. No one can claim, that SLA are not allowed any camara in vanni. There are many more, but I am not posting here. We can see how they are killed. I don't see any different bet ween this clip and the other one.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    U know I am not expert, but I understand the language spoken on the clip.

    Today guardian, UK, put the ball on the side of UN Chief for independent inquiry. It said "The ball is now in Ban Ki-moon's court:", What is the responsibility of UN? Is it going to let the minorities to banish from the planet? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/

  224. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 21st, 2010 at 2:35 am

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones http://www.tamilcircle.net/index.php?option=com_c

    We can see not only camara's but also the video clip. No one can claim, that SLA are not allowed any camara in vanni. There are many more, but I am not posting here. We can see how they are killed. I don't see any different bet ween this clip and the other one.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    U know I am not expert, but I understand the language spoken on the clip.

    Today guardian, UK, put the ball on the side of UN Chief for independent inquiry. It said "The ball is now in Ban Ki-moon's court:", What is the responsibility of UN? Is it going to let the minorities to banish from the planet? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/

  225. Rohan,

    I never said that SLA do not carry cameras – I said LTTE were not allowed to and if they were, we would have seen many more clips. Anyways, would be hard for you to see the fat man dead ha ?? – brought me some memories back, which indeed was not pleasant, but a happy sorrow.

    Rohan – I do understand the language in the clip that Richardo posted and it definitely is Tamil.

    I am sure that UN and Mr. Over the Moon would come up with a verdict that we all could be statisfied with and I am all willing to accept the verdict which I thoroughly trust will come with good evidence and not "assumptions" that Jim and a few others make.. (Oh, BTW, click on Jim Pappa to see the Handsome face of Jim MD – :) ) looks very happy in the pic :) :) :)

    also Rohan, when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence. They are a world body and has representations from almost all the countries in the world – so do not be that harsh on them – many opinions are respected inside the organization it self. The following question of letting the minorities baish is a rubbish question – how can tamils be a minority ? you have more of them living in the world and tamil Nadu than the whole population of Sri Lanka – over time I have realised that you have this tend to make these type of silly comments that actually make me laugh – I commend your effort of trying to attract attention and sympathy to the tamil community for no reason, but, then again, laugh at the silly means of how you are trying to achieve it. Man – U need solid stuff to back you up – like we do – that's why you guys cannot answer our questions for one thing and disapprove what we say. We are solid and our intentions are very clear – no hidden agenda's like you :) !

    Ravi !

    I don't want a single outsider to come here and read none sense that puts my country down. that's why i fight here – no other reason to continue this utter rubbish as you very rightly say !

    TC Brother !

  226. Segei !

    You will be even more shocked if you read this blog from the beginning to figure out that the video is not authentic. It could be an act, deliberated to discredit the SL government or an actual footage of LTTE killing Sri Lankans in Border villages.

    Popeych ! – there are many things that happen world over that shocks all of us !

  227. This is a very disturbing video and calls for an independent investigation.

    No doubt Tamil Tigers were rebels to the core, but that does not give any rights to the Sri Lankan government to execute Tamils in cold blood.

    This will only lay the ground for a new terrorist organization to form unless the guilty soldiers are brought to justice. The UN must pressure Sri Lanka to provide access to Tamil areas where journalists are still not allowed.

    Who knows what other war crimes are taking place even now. The reaction of the Sri Lankan government to this video evidence sounds like a page taken from the Israelis.

    In the end, the bunker mentality of the victor-can-do-no-wrong only hurts themselves, in addition to forestalling national healing and reconciliation between their own peoples.

    They may think they can ignore this and carry on as business as usual, but the rest of the world does not.

    Tourists can choose to go elsewhere than Sri Lanka and send a strong message of disgust over the current intransigence.

    Yes, War is not pretty and can be ugly, but if there are no civilized norms, then who are we really?

  228. Jim Pappa and other Sri Lankans,

    Perhaps you all should stop commenting on these kind of silly blogs. Because it only raises their credibility, or whatever left of it. But it will never change their simple minds.

  229. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 21st, 2010 at 2:35 am

    We saw the Fat Boy dead video and indeed SLA were allowed to use phones
    http://www.tamilcircle.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5792:prabhananthikadal&catid=277:2009

    We can see not only camara’s but also the video clip. No one can claim, that SLA are not allowed any camara in vanni. There are many more, but I am not posting here. We can see how they are killed. I don’t see any different bet ween this clip and the other one.

    How can u say such thing when the International investigator Alston himself has said that the authenticity off the video cannot be proven and there could be tampering ?? How about bad acting ??

    U know I am not expert, but I understand the language spoken on the clip.

    Today guardian, UK, put the ball on the side of UN Chief for independent inquiry. It said “The ball is now in Ban Ki-moon’s court:”, What is the responsibility of UN? Is it going to let the minorities to banish from the planet? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/21/sri-lanka-war-crimes-investigation

  230. Rohan,

    I never said that SLA do not carry cameras – I said LTTE were not allowed to and if they were, we would have seen many more clips. Anyways, would be hard for you to see the fat man dead ha ?? – brought me some memories back, which indeed was not pleasant, but a happy sorrow.

    Rohan – I do understand the language in the clip that Richardo posted and it definitely is Tamil.

    I am sure that UN and Mr. Over the Moon would come up with a verdict that we all could be statisfied with and I am all willing to accept the verdict which I thoroughly trust will come with good evidence and not “assumptions” that Jim and a few others make.. (Oh, BTW, click on Jim Pappa to see the Handsome face of Jim MD – :) ) looks very happy in the pic :) :) :)

    also Rohan, when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence. They are a world body and has representations from almost all the countries in the world – so do not be that harsh on them – many opinions are respected inside the organization it self. The following question of letting the minorities baish is a rubbish question – how can tamils be a minority ? you have more of them living in the world and tamil Nadu than the whole population of Sri Lanka – over time I have realised that you have this tend to make these type of silly comments that actually make me laugh – I commend your effort of trying to attract attention and sympathy to the tamil community for no reason, but, then again, laugh at the silly means of how you are trying to achieve it. Man – U need solid stuff to back you up – like we do – that’s why you guys cannot answer our questions for one thing and disapprove what we say. We are solid and our intentions are very clear – no hidden agenda’s like you :) !

    Ravi !

    I don’t want a single outsider to come here and read none sense that puts my country down. that’s why i fight here – no other reason to continue this utter rubbish as you very rightly say !

    TC Brother !

  231. What is needed is an independent investigation by the UN. Ban ki Moon had referred to Phillip Alston as an independent UN Special Rapporteur. Hence the ball lies in his court now and he should stop dithering. The recent Dublin Peace Tribunal had also considered this video tape and had it analysed and came to the conclusion that it wasgenuine.

    As for human rights situation in Sri Lanka no amount of denials or deliberate avoidance is going to wash all those crimes away. That is why there should be investigations into war crimes, gross crimes against humanity as well as possibly genocide.Restoration of justice is the prime need to avoid their recurrence in the future. For far too long Sri Lanka got away with it in the 1970s in connection with the JVP uprising having decimated tens of thousands of people in teh south and it is trying to get away with it again with much bigger numbers of innocent civilians with the help of "friendly countries" from whom SL buys arms and armaments, for trade and such dubious reasons But it should not be allowed to get away with gross crimes against their own citizens ON ACCOUNT OF INTERNAL POLITICAL AND GOVERNANCE FAILURES OF GOVERNMENTS. They have a prime responsibilty to protect, not destroy people.

  232. This is a very disturbing video and calls for an independent investigation.

    No doubt Tamil Tigers were rebels to the core, but that does not give any rights to the Sri Lankan government to execute Tamils in cold blood.

    This will only lay the ground for a new terrorist organization to form unless the guilty soldiers are brought to justice. The UN must pressure Sri Lanka to provide access to Tamil areas where journalists are still not allowed.

    Who knows what other war crimes are taking place even now. The reaction of the Sri Lankan government to this video evidence sounds like a page taken from the Israelis.

    In the end, the bunker mentality of the victor-can-do-no-wrong only hurts themselves, in addition to forestalling national healing and reconciliation between their own peoples.

    They may think they can ignore this and carry on as business as usual, but the rest of the world does not.

    Tourists can choose to go elsewhere than Sri Lanka and send a strong message of disgust over the current intransigence.

    Yes, War is not pretty and can be ugly, but if there are no civilized norms, then who are we really?

  233. What is needed is an independent investigation by the UN. Ban ki Moon had referred to Phillip Alston as an independent UN Special Rapporteur. Hence the ball lies in his court now and he should stop dithering. The recent Dublin Peace Tribunal had also considered this video tape and had it analysed and came to the conclusion that it wasgenuine.

    As for human rights situation in Sri Lanka no amount of denials or deliberate avoidance is going to wash all those crimes away. That is why there should be investigations into war crimes, gross crimes against humanity as well as possibly genocide.Restoration of justice is the prime need to avoid their recurrence in the future. For far too long Sri Lanka got away with it in the 1970s in connection with the JVP uprising having decimated tens of thousands of people in teh south and it is trying to get away with it again with much bigger numbers of innocent civilians with the help of “friendly countries” from whom SL buys arms and armaments, for trade and such dubious reasons But it should not be allowed to get away with gross crimes against their own citizens ON ACCOUNT OF INTERNAL POLITICAL AND GOVERNANCE FAILURES OF GOVERNMENTS. They have a prime responsibilty to protect, not destroy people.

  234. Hello Insulting Lord Krishna !

    What is needed is an independent investigation by the UN. Ban ki Moon had referred to Phillip Alston as an independent UN Special Rapporteur.

    And what U forgot to mention is that he concluded that the video might not be "Authentic" – So what'z mattar dude ??

    The recent Dublin Peace Tribunal had also considered this video tape and had it analysed and came to the conclusion that it wasgenuine.

    U mean the former Terrorists of the United Kingdom in Dublin… Anyways, R U sure that they used the word genuine ?? The video could be genuine, but did they also say that the acting was genuine ?? Where the proof ??

    That is why there should be investigations into war crimes, gross crimes against humanity as well as possibly genocide

    They can investigate war crimes or any crimes, but where they fail would be when the majority Tamil population in Sri Lanka them selves start laughing at the comment Genocide. I know that my friend Jeyram would laugh and as for the government, the many Tamil politicians would join.

    I will leave the bullshit for you to digest and get to the last point They (the government) have a prime responsibilty to protect, not destroy people.

    I guess that's why they got rid of a world renowned Terrorist organization and saved thousands of innocent civilians who were forced to bite a "Tasty" Cyanide capsule and hold guns. Guess the reason for the GOSL to save innocent children who were robbed from their childhood and education. The reason for eliminating a fat mentally challenged idiot. Ain't that being responsible enough for your loony head ??

    Savundaranayagam (First of all let me tell you that you have spelt the Name Saundaranayagam wrong. I know many dear friends named Saundaranayagam and this it self proofs that you are a lie.

    You say No doubt Tamil Tigers were rebels to the core, but that does not give any rights to the Sri Lankan government to execute Tamils in cold blood. Agree that government has not right to execute "Tamils" in cold or hot blood, But does it stand same to the terrorists?? Now your sentance doesn't sound right here – not sure whether it's your English. But ideally, what you have done is equaled all Tamils to Terrorists which I vehemently condemn. we love our Tamil brotheren and please stop equaling them to a mentally challenged Terrorist organization.

    I guess you have not read the blog from top when you say This is a very disturbing video and calls for an independent investigation.

    If you have read it right, the blog is about an international investigation – this blog post would not have existed anyways if so. Your post only shows your mental instability or utter ignorance.

    This will only lay the ground for a new terrorist organization to form unless the guilty soldiers are brought to justice.
    It's over dumbo – forget it. Not worth even dreaming of it – start a decent new life – would serve you better and ensure you live a long and healthy life 9I would pray for it)

    Who knows what other war crimes are taking place even now. The war is over – did not you hear about it. Ended with the fat mentally challenged by Piribaharan's body found dead near Nandikadal Lagoon… Terrorist = Dead hence, No more war. hence, No more war crimes. Simple equation. 2nd grade Mathematics.

    The reaction of the Sri Lankan government to this video evidence sounds like a page taken from the Israelis. Oh – Jim and AIUSA is from America – they just love the Israelis. Now you don't wanna get in to their bad books by bad mouthing Israel ya ? Shush !!

    In the end, the bunker mentality of the victor-can-do-no-wrong only hurts themselves, Typical bad sport looser comment.

    in addition to forestalling national healing and reconciliation between their own peoples. This is happening big time – join it.

    They may think they can ignore this and carry on as business as usual, but the rest of the world does not. No more "Hingannage Thuwale". Brainy people believe in moving on than harp on a petty issue. Again, me tell U – Get a life ! The rest of the world knows what happened. You need to move on.

    Tourists can choose to go elsewhere than Sri Lanka and send a strong message of disgust over the current intransigence. He He He – Looser !! Trying your luck ha ?? Month of December it self showed what the future holds :P

    Yes, War is not pretty and can be ugly, but if there are no civilized norms, then who are we really? Can be ugly ?? It is bloody Ugly… There definitely were no civilized norms with the Terrorists and yes, "Who are we "?? We called them "Terrorists"… and we got rid of them – now everything is civilized.

  235. Hello Insulting Lord Krishna !

    What is needed is an independent investigation by the UN. Ban ki Moon had referred to Phillip Alston as an independent UN Special Rapporteur.

    And what U forgot to mention is that he concluded that the video might not be “Authentic” – So what’z mattar dude ??

    The recent Dublin Peace Tribunal had also considered this video tape and had it analysed and came to the conclusion that it wasgenuine.

    U mean the former Terrorists of the United Kingdom in Dublin… Anyways, R U sure that they used the word genuine ?? The video could be genuine, but did they also say that the acting was genuine ?? Where the proof ??

    That is why there should be investigations into war crimes, gross crimes against humanity as well as possibly genocide

    They can investigate war crimes or any crimes, but where they fail would be when the majority Tamil population in Sri Lanka them selves start laughing at the comment Genocide. I know that my friend Jeyram would laugh and as for the government, the many Tamil politicians would join.

    I will leave the bullshit for you to digest and get to the last point They (the government) have a prime responsibilty to protect, not destroy people.

    I guess that’s why they got rid of a world renowned Terrorist organization and saved thousands of innocent civilians who were forced to bite a “Tasty” Cyanide capsule and hold guns. Guess the reason for the GOSL to save innocent children who were robbed from their childhood and education. The reason for eliminating a fat mentally challenged idiot. Ain’t that being responsible enough for your loony head ??

    Savundaranayagam (First of all let me tell you that you have spelt the Name Saundaranayagam wrong. I know many dear friends named Saundaranayagam and this it self proofs that you are a lie.

    You say No doubt Tamil Tigers were rebels to the core, but that does not give any rights to the Sri Lankan government to execute Tamils in cold blood. Agree that government has not right to execute “Tamils” in cold or hot blood, But does it stand same to the terrorists?? Now your sentance doesn’t sound right here – not sure whether it’s your English. But ideally, what you have done is equaled all Tamils to Terrorists which I vehemently condemn. we love our Tamil brotheren and please stop equaling them to a mentally challenged Terrorist organization.

    I guess you have not read the blog from top when you say This is a very disturbing video and calls for an independent investigation.

    If you have read it right, the blog is about an international investigation – this blog post would not have existed anyways if so. Your post only shows your mental instability or utter ignorance.

    This will only lay the ground for a new terrorist organization to form unless the guilty soldiers are brought to justice.
    It’s over dumbo – forget it. Not worth even dreaming of it – start a decent new life – would serve you better and ensure you live a long and healthy life 9I would pray for it)

    Who knows what other war crimes are taking place even now. The war is over – did not you hear about it. Ended with the fat mentally challenged by Piribaharan’s body found dead near Nandikadal Lagoon… Terrorist = Dead hence, No more war. hence, No more war crimes. Simple equation. 2nd grade Mathematics.

    The reaction of the Sri Lankan government to this video evidence sounds like a page taken from the Israelis. Oh – Jim and AIUSA is from America – they just love the Israelis. Now you don’t wanna get in to their bad books by bad mouthing Israel ya ? Shush !!

    In the end, the bunker mentality of the victor-can-do-no-wrong only hurts themselves, Typical bad sport looser comment.

    in addition to forestalling national healing and reconciliation between their own peoples. This is happening big time – join it.

    They may think they can ignore this and carry on as business as usual, but the rest of the world does not. No more “Hingannage Thuwale”. Brainy people believe in moving on than harp on a petty issue. Again, me tell U – Get a life ! The rest of the world knows what happened. You need to move on.

    Tourists can choose to go elsewhere than Sri Lanka and send a strong message of disgust over the current intransigence. He He He – Looser !! Trying your luck ha ?? Month of December it self showed what the future holds :P

    Yes, War is not pretty and can be ugly, but if there are no civilized norms, then who are we really? Can be ugly ?? It is bloody Ugly… There definitely were no civilized norms with the Terrorists and yes, “Who are we “?? We called them “Terrorists”… and we got rid of them – now everything is civilized.

  236. Jim Pappa

    Now you have got on to something that has been hanging fire for years from the Jayewardene era.

    The last known (and it is on the internet) was when the case in the Courts got stalled and the Attorney General moved for a date during the Chandrika period.

    There was international involvement and DNA analysis etc but it is still in abeyance.

    There were news accounts that the military had been busy busy with bull dozers, unearthing skeletons and burning them to cinders by night.

    And the Sinhala Corporal who led the police to the scene was having a hard time with fellow prisoners.

    He in turn had a death sentence for brutally murdering 16 yer old schoolgirl Krishanthy after sexually assaulting her and for the murders of her aunt and brother who went in scearch of her.

    How more awful can it get?

    And there were several more such mass graves in the north and east.

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice?

    It is time for Sri lanka to come clean so that these gruesome crimes are not repeated rather than in trying to get away every time using diabolical methods. Justice denied can never set minds to rest.

    Yes, the Tamils are dead right in agitating for justice.

    And the more it is denied the more skeletons it has to hide in its cupboard.

    Surely it must be full and overflowing by now like in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge time.

  237. Jim Pappa

    Now you have got on to something that has been hanging fire for years from the Jayewardene era.

    The last known (and it is on the internet) was when the case in the Courts got stalled and the Attorney General moved for a date during the Chandrika period.

    There was international involvement and DNA analysis etc but it is still in abeyance.

    There were news accounts that the military had been busy busy with bull dozers, unearthing skeletons and burning them to cinders by night.

    And the Sinhala Corporal who led the police to the scene was having a hard time with fellow prisoners.

    He in turn had a death sentence for brutally murdering 16 yer old schoolgirl Krishanthy after sexually assaulting her and for the murders of her aunt and brother who went in scearch of her.

    How more awful can it get?

    And there were several more such mass graves in the north and east.

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice?

    It is time for Sri lanka to come clean so that these gruesome crimes are not repeated rather than in trying to get away every time using diabolical methods. Justice denied can never set minds to rest.

    Yes, the Tamils are dead right in agitating for justice.

    And the more it is denied the more skeletons it has to hide in its cupboard.

    Surely it must be full and overflowing by now like in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge time.

  238. Savvvvundaranayagam !

    First of all, What has your post has in relation to the Topic here ?? i.e. the video shot by the LTTE and now claim that it's the SL army ??

    I would have appreciated if you had at least tried to continue my argument than post something totally new. This is all you LTTE fellows have been done, are doing and most certainly will be doing – Just keep posting without continuing a conversation, where we keep answering all your questions without ours ever being answered. Typical LTTE strategy. When they attacked, they attack in bit's and pieces and runway without facing the SL forces and start fighting elsewhere. In the English language there is a word called "Coward" especially meant for these types of acts.

    Coming to this posts of yours, I read it several times, but cannot quite understand what you are tying to say or what President Jayawardena has to do with your post. What did AG move during Chandrika's time ?? What is the news that you are talking of Military using Bull Dozers ? And How is it connected to Chandrika or Jayawardena ?? Is it Premadasa U mean during JVP upraise ??

    Who is this Krishanthy girl you talking of and when was the incident? Not clear… I know of a Krishanthy case in 1989 – a Sinhalese girl who was murdered in Matara – is it that what U are talking of ??

    Bottom line – Crime happens all over the world and surely in SL. We only need to find ways to curtail them and keep it as low as possible. We can't be shouting about each and every crime that happens. If so, there will be no news in countries like America, but only crimes.

  239. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 am
    I do understand the language in the clip

    Don't manupulate again, they clearly spoke singahalla language.

    when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence.

    I respect UN, but I have the question about some of the responsible UN officers who were part of the evil game.

    Thanks HRW for your voice to uncover the War crime http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/22/uncovering-

    The fact on the statement of Philip Alston is
    "You cannot fake the precise sort of reaction which the human body makes when shot at close range by such a weapon."

  240. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 am
    I do understand the language in the clip

    Don't manupulate again, they clearly spoke singahalla language.

    when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence.

    I respect UN, but I have the question about some of the responsible UN officers who were part of the evil game.

    Thanks HRW for your voice to uncover the War crime http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/22/uncovering-

    The fact on the statement of Philip Alston is
    "You cannot fake the precise sort of reaction which the human body makes when shot at close range by such a weapon."

  241. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 am
    I do understand the language in the clip

    Don't manupulate again, they clearly spoke singahalla language.

    when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence.

    I respect UN, but I have the question about some of the responsible UN officers who were part of the evil game.

    Thanks HRW for your voice to uncover the War crime http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/22/uncovering-

    The fact on the statement of Philip Alston is
    "You cannot fake the precise sort of reaction which the human body makes when shot at close range by such a weapon."

  242. Savvvvundaranayagam !

    First of all, What has your post has in relation to the Topic here ?? i.e. the video shot by the LTTE and now claim that it’s the SL army ??

    I would have appreciated if you had at least tried to continue my argument than post something totally new. This is all you LTTE fellows have been done, are doing and most certainly will be doing – Just keep posting without continuing a conversation, where we keep answering all your questions without ours ever being answered. Typical LTTE strategy. When they attacked, they attack in bit’s and pieces and runway without facing the SL forces and start fighting elsewhere. In the English language there is a word called “Coward” especially meant for these types of acts.

    Coming to this posts of yours, I read it several times, but cannot quite understand what you are tying to say or what President Jayawardena has to do with your post. What did AG move during Chandrika’s time ?? What is the news that you are talking of Military using Bull Dozers ? And How is it connected to Chandrika or Jayawardena ?? Is it Premadasa U mean during JVP upraise ??

    Who is this Krishanthy girl you talking of and when was the incident? Not clear… I know of a Krishanthy case in 1989 – a Sinhalese girl who was murdered in Matara – is it that what U are talking of ??

    Bottom line – Crime happens all over the world and surely in SL. We only need to find ways to curtail them and keep it as low as possible. We can’t be shouting about each and every crime that happens. If so, there will be no news in countries like America, but only crimes.

  243. Jim Pappa

    Again you are talking about off topic? I responded to your post. Apparently when it suits your propagandist agenda, I’m on topic.

    Be a man and stop complaining like a little girl hiding behind her mother’s sarong.

    BTW let the international and independent enquiry body to investigate the execution video before you can say LTTE did it or not .

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice?

  244. Rohan !

    I didn't say that I don't understand the language – if you read carefully, I said that I do understand – meaning I understand the language spoken – No manipulation on my part, but stupid aggression from your part.

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI – we doubt is knowledge a lot – specially with the last comment he made.. ! – But we live on to fight the battle – the battle of truth, till the day the truth comes out.

    As for Alston's report, you quote on quote a single phrase which is general, not valid only to the particular video clip in discussion. If you read further, in the same report it says that it does not mean the video is authentic. So, do we take the whole report in to consideration or only a sentence or two from the report ? I will let the public who reads this blog decide that !!

    Savudan !!

    If you say that you responded to my post, I am sorry to say that you suck at it big time cause as my follow up post shows, I do not understand a freaking this you say. If you also read further, you might see in the last paragraph I had asked you a few questions that would help me rectify your previous posting – this obviously is to answer what ever issue you have.

    I also kindly urge you to check all the posts at the AI blog and see who has been whining like a girl who's fat doll was taken away. (Ex. AI please do this, UN please do that, I am hurting here, He is hurting there, We can't do this alone, America, UK, Ireland, Greenland, Iceland help us – My finger is caught in the door handle- LOL )

    All post by the Brave Sri Lankans have only answered questions and challenged your postings – Also FYI, our mothers don't wear Sarongs, they are called Cheeththa or Lungi's (in English) May be you guys are used to hiding inside the Sarongs when you girl out, but we don't.

    Also your comment BTW let the international and independent enquiry body to investigate the execution video before you can say LTTE did it or not .

    What we are saying is that Alston is such independent investigator from the International community sent by the UN. Even we don't agree with some points made by him in the report. However the report also ends doubting the authenticity of the video.- GET IT STRAIGHT MAN – we can't be explaining the same thing over and over again – you guys should take a break if you don't understand this minor thing.

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice? Exactly what we are asking too….. What if these were innocent Singhala people who were killed by the ruthless LTTE ?? We have done justice already to the LTTE by destroying them, but, the poor people killed ???????? I will let you sleep over it for a change !

  245. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 am
    I do understand the language in the clip

    Don’t manupulate again, they clearly spoke singahalla language.

    when you question the responsibility of UN, you automatically question their credibility, integrity, sovereignty and existence.

    I respect UN, but I have the question about some of the responsible UN officers who were part of the evil game.

    Thanks HRW for your voice to uncover the War crime
    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/22/uncovering-sri-lankas-war-crimes

    The fact on the statement of Philip Alston is
    “You cannot fake the precise sort of reaction which the human body makes when shot at close range by such a weapon.”

  246. Jim Pappa

    Again you are talking about off topic? I responded to your post. Apparently when it suits your propagandist agenda, I’m on topic.

    Be a man and stop complaining like a little girl hiding behind her mother’s sarong.

    BTW let the international and independent enquiry body to investigate the execution video before you can say LTTE did it or not .

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice?

  247. Rohan !

    I didn’t say that I don’t understand the language – if you read carefully, I said that I do understand – meaning I understand the language spoken – No manipulation on my part, but stupid aggression from your part.

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI – we doubt is knowledge a lot – specially with the last comment he made.. ! – But we live on to fight the battle – the battle of truth, till the day the truth comes out.

    As for Alston’s report, you quote on quote a single phrase which is general, not valid only to the particular video clip in discussion. If you read further, in the same report it says that it does not mean the video is authentic. So, do we take the whole report in to consideration or only a sentence or two from the report ? I will let the public who reads this blog decide that !!

    Savudan !!

    If you say that you responded to my post, I am sorry to say that you suck at it big time cause as my follow up post shows, I do not understand a freaking this you say. If you also read further, you might see in the last paragraph I had asked you a few questions that would help me rectify your previous posting – this obviously is to answer what ever issue you have.

    I also kindly urge you to check all the posts at the AI blog and see who has been whining like a girl who’s fat doll was taken away. (Ex. AI please do this, UN please do that, I am hurting here, He is hurting there, We can’t do this alone, America, UK, Ireland, Greenland, Iceland help us – My finger is caught in the door handle- LOL )

    All post by the Brave Sri Lankans have only answered questions and challenged your postings – Also FYI, our mothers don’t wear Sarongs, they are called Cheeththa or Lungi’s (in English) May be you guys are used to hiding inside the Sarongs when you girl out, but we don’t.

    Also your comment BTW let the international and independent enquiry body to investigate the execution video before you can say LTTE did it or not .

    What we are saying is that Alston is such independent investigator from the International community sent by the UN. Even we don’t agree with some points made by him in the report. However the report also ends doubting the authenticity of the video.- GET IT STRAIGHT MAN – we can’t be explaining the same thing over and over again – you guys should take a break if you don’t understand this minor thing.

    When will the kith and kin of those poor victims get justice? Exactly what we are asking too….. What if these were innocent Singhala people who were killed by the ruthless LTTE ?? We have done justice already to the LTTE by destroying them, but, the poor people killed ???????? I will let you sleep over it for a change !

  248. Jim Pappa

    It's not so funny when the cause and effect relationship is examined more closely, not superficially and one-sidedly.

    Two wrongs don't make it right –rebel and Sri Lankan Government atrocities.

    Of course, when the state has been a continuing racist menace and human right abuses to the Tamils what you conclude in your posts may seem like prejudiced opinions , especially with blinkers on.

  249. Saudan,

    I am totally with you when U say "It’s not so funny when the cause and effect relationship is examined more closely, not superficially and one-sidedly. " I couldn't agree more. If you have a glance from the top, what my self and RDA says, is exactly the same – it should be impartial and not one sided. hence, the report whould be read out in a way where it also mentions that the video could have doubts and not jump in to conclusions as Jim MD has done.

    Two wrongs don’t make it right –rebel and Sri Lankan Government atrocities. Here I do not agree with you as I know for a fact the government had only one thing in mind and that was to free the tamils from LTTE.

    Now this comment of Of course, when the state has been a continuing racist menace and human right abuses to the Tamils what you conclude in your posts may seem like prejudiced opinions , especially with blinkers on. I feel that you are using another organ in your body than the mouth to make these statements. How can you call the state has been racist when the very government you are talking of consists of stalwarts from all Ethnic groups ?? Now this is where you go off track and loose credibility on all statements you make. Like extracting a whole basin of milk and also adding a bit of cow dung to it ha ?? So how can my conclusion be wrong in anyway?? We all have our opinions, but you in addition has stupidity added on – Sorry !

  250. Jim Pappa

    It’s not so funny when the cause and effect relationship is examined more closely, not superficially and one-sidedly.

    Two wrongs don’t make it right –rebel and Sri Lankan Government atrocities.

    Of course, when the state has been a continuing racist menace and human right abuses to the Tamils what you conclude in your posts may seem like prejudiced opinions , especially with blinkers on.

  251. The execution video ??

    None of this is surprising, after the bloody pogroms against the Tamils of Sri Lanka in 1958, 77, and 83 (Black July). I myself, an American, wearing Indian style clothing, was assaulted twice in the capitol of Colombo in 1983 before the pogroms, simply because I was considered somehow to be a Tamil. When I spoke English with my American accent to one of the thugs, he apologized and welcomed me to Sri Lanka!

    And after all that has followed. When the Sinhalese government does not hesitate to send out death squads against its own people, as it did after the resurgence of the JVP in the south in the 90’s, and as it does even now to Sinhala journalists who dissent, what does anyone think they will do to people who are a different skin color and speak an unrelated language?

    It is a shame that Sri Lanka holds itself up to be the home and bastion of Theravada Buddhism with its especially high ideals of “doing no harm” (ahimsa).

    Its a real disgrace for Sinhalese Buddhists

  252. Saudan,

    I am totally with you when U say “It’s not so funny when the cause and effect relationship is examined more closely, not superficially and one-sidedly. “ I couldn’t agree more. If you have a glance from the top, what my self and RDA says, is exactly the same – it should be impartial and not one sided. hence, the report whould be read out in a way where it also mentions that the video could have doubts and not jump in to conclusions as Jim MD has done.

    Two wrongs don’t make it right –rebel and Sri Lankan Government atrocities. Here I do not agree with you as I know for a fact the government had only one thing in mind and that was to free the tamils from LTTE.

    Now this comment of Of course, when the state has been a continuing racist menace and human right abuses to the Tamils what you conclude in your posts may seem like prejudiced opinions , especially with blinkers on. I feel that you are using another organ in your body than the mouth to make these statements. How can you call the state has been racist when the very government you are talking of consists of stalwarts from all Ethnic groups ?? Now this is where you go off track and loose credibility on all statements you make. Like extracting a whole basin of milk and also adding a bit of cow dung to it ha ?? So how can my conclusion be wrong in anyway?? We all have our opinions, but you in addition has stupidity added on – Sorry !

  253. The execution video ??

    None of this is surprising, after the bloody pogroms against the Tamils of Sri Lanka in 1958, 77, and 83 (Black July). I myself, an American, wearing Indian style clothing, was assaulted twice in the capitol of Colombo in 1983 before the pogroms, simply because I was considered somehow to be a Tamil. When I spoke English with my American accent to one of the thugs, he apologized and welcomed me to Sri Lanka!

    And after all that has followed. When the Sinhalese government does not hesitate to send out death squads against its own people, as it did after the resurgence of the JVP in the south in the 90’s, and as it does even now to Sinhala journalists who dissent, what does anyone think they will do to people who are a different skin color and speak an unrelated language?

    It is a shame that Sri Lanka holds itself up to be the home and bastion of Theravada Buddhism with its especially high ideals of “doing no harm” (ahimsa).

    Its a real disgrace for Sinhalese Buddhists

  254. Bob after Marijuana ??

    I don't want to question you on your attire in 83, however, I don't think a single citizen of SL would be dumb enough not to identify and differentiate a Tamil, a Muslim, an Indian from an American… "Unless", you want to say that you were born in this region and got the citizenship in USA, hence, want to call your self American than anything else. In that sense, I have a new found respect for the Diaspora Tamils, since no matter in which country they got their citizenship (and the dole) they still call them selves Eelamists from North Sri Lanka.

    If you are bright enough to learn and understand what the LTTE terrorists did in the Island for the past 30 years, it would also not be "Surprising" to you that the video also could be the LTTE Terrorists killing innocent Sri Lankan civilians of a border village (or Kaththankudi Muslims) or Army personnel. I guess you were walking the streets of New York in your "Indian Style Attire" at the time LTTE killed 600 + SLA / Police men who surrendered, hence, could not make any comment.

    If you are an American as you claim to be, the initial lessons on how to combat Terrorism was taught by your own forefathers and politicians. They fight terror with terror as in Iraq and Afghanistan. So don't come to preach us on how to eradicate terrorism, but speak to Bush and Obama on that. 89, we crushed JVP militarily and see, now they are in the main stream politics and entered the democratic stream – so has the TNA ha ?? (for an American you seem to know a bit about SL – good, why not pay another visit ?)

    We all believe in Ahimsa – Even the great Ghandi did. The very reason why the terrorist issue dragged on for 30 years – if in USA, where they do not believe Ahimsa, it would have ended before it started. Don't forget that 4 regimes of GOSL tolerated the Mentally challenged Terrorists. (or R U very stupid?)

    There is a limit to Ahimsa or anything for that matter. The disgrace for the Buddhist would have been if the Terrorists had taken over and destroyed the Buddhist heritage of the country, where people in the future would blame us for not protecting the Gem of Buddhism. We still suffer due to the fact that the great works of our forefathers in Anuradhapura and Pollonnaruwa were destroyed by the attacking parties of South India – will not happen again and Bob – Stop using Drugs !!

  255. Scrutinizing how real this video is seems to miss the bigger picture: there were hundreds of thousands of Tamils in the concentration camps, in which Sri Lanka seems to make little distinction between the civilians and the tigers.

    UTHR also said the Sri Lankan Army is guilty of deliberately using chemical weapons, bombing hospitals and indiscriminate shelling and a use of chemical weapons and bombing hospitals amounts to war crimes.

    It doesnt take more evidence, bloodier videos, and worse statistics to imagine that something terrible is happening.

    Why does this video get so much more scrutiny and clinical analysis than the states view that the tigers are -terrorists-, this was -an unprecedented humanitarian operation- or that violence was necessary and could actually -solve- a political, racial conflict?

    So far there has been a lack of information- from Sri Lanka, but it only would take the slightest historical memory -Nazi concentration camps -and experience to know that a human tragedy is happening out of sight.

  256. Bob after Marijuana ??

    I don’t want to question you on your attire in 83, however, I don’t think a single citizen of SL would be dumb enough not to identify and differentiate a Tamil, a Muslim, an Indian from an American… “Unless”, you want to say that you were born in this region and got the citizenship in USA, hence, want to call your self American than anything else. In that sense, I have a new found respect for the Diaspora Tamils, since no matter in which country they got their citizenship (and the dole) they still call them selves Eelamists from North Sri Lanka.

    If you are bright enough to learn and understand what the LTTE terrorists did in the Island for the past 30 years, it would also not be “Surprising” to you that the video also could be the LTTE Terrorists killing innocent Sri Lankan civilians of a border village (or Kaththankudi Muslims) or Army personnel. I guess you were walking the streets of New York in your “Indian Style Attire” at the time LTTE killed 600 + SLA / Police men who surrendered, hence, could not make any comment.

    If you are an American as you claim to be, the initial lessons on how to combat Terrorism was taught by your own forefathers and politicians. They fight terror with terror as in Iraq and Afghanistan. So don’t come to preach us on how to eradicate terrorism, but speak to Bush and Obama on that. 89, we crushed JVP militarily and see, now they are in the main stream politics and entered the democratic stream – so has the TNA ha ?? (for an American you seem to know a bit about SL – good, why not pay another visit ?)

    We all believe in Ahimsa – Even the great Ghandi did. The very reason why the terrorist issue dragged on for 30 years – if in USA, where they do not believe Ahimsa, it would have ended before it started. Don’t forget that 4 regimes of GOSL tolerated the Mentally challenged Terrorists. (or R U very stupid?)

    There is a limit to Ahimsa or anything for that matter. The disgrace for the Buddhist would have been if the Terrorists had taken over and destroyed the Buddhist heritage of the country, where people in the future would blame us for not protecting the Gem of Buddhism. We still suffer due to the fact that the great works of our forefathers in Anuradhapura and Pollonnaruwa were destroyed by the attacking parties of South India – will not happen again and Bob – Stop using Drugs !!

  257. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity. Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Why don't sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

  258. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity. Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Why don't sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

  259. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity. Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Why don't sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

  260. Scrutinizing how real this video is seems to miss the bigger picture: there were hundreds of thousands of Tamils in the concentration camps, in which Sri Lanka seems to make little distinction between the civilians and the tigers.

    UTHR also said the Sri Lankan Army is guilty of deliberately using chemical weapons, bombing hospitals and indiscriminate shelling and a use of chemical weapons and bombing hospitals amounts to war crimes.

    It doesnt take more evidence, bloodier videos, and worse statistics to imagine that something terrible is happening.

    Why does this video get so much more scrutiny and clinical analysis than the states view that the tigers are -terrorists-, this was -an unprecedented humanitarian operation- or that violence was necessary and could actually -solve- a political, racial conflict?

    So far there has been a lack of information- from Sri Lanka, but it only would take the slightest historical memory -Nazi concentration camps -and experience to know that a human tragedy is happening out of sight.

  261. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Even we have the same issue of doubting personnel from UN and all over – take for example Jim MD of AI

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity. Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=30864, any way that is an different issue here.

    Why don’t sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

  262. Rohan !

    We have been battling each other for more than a year now ha ?? Anyways,

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity.
    We have questions about his ability when he says that he is above accepted norms of Law – not done for an independent organization… What is Judiciaries of countries start thinking that way – poof !!

    Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Machan – not the Tamil net – I need a credible source of Information. Get me CNN or BBC or any other respected source please… Tamil net is LTTE – why do I trust a Terrorist Information source ?
    It is true, we are a part of UN and we can voice our opinion for and against when situations arise – all other member countries do so too…

    Why don’t sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ??? Who said opposition (in the sense not parties that cannot get even 500,000 votes including JHU and TNA) do not trust reports ??? IF SF becomes president tomorrow, you will still see the same stand against the whole situ – trust me !!

  263. Seyon !

    You got your wires crossed again I suppose !

    here were hundreds of thousands of Tamils in the concentration camps, in which Sri Lanka seems to make little distinction between the civilians and the tigers

    Sri Lanka has clearly said that this concentration contains innocent as well as LTTE members. That's where the filtering came in. Once, the filtering was done, they were set free. So don't talk rubbish ! see the other posts where this issue was discussed lengthily.

    UTHR also said the Sri Lankan Army is guilty of deliberately using chemical weapons, bombing hospitals and indiscriminate shelling and a use of chemical weapons and bombing hospitals amounts to war crimes.

    Laughing matter – who chased the civilians out of the hospitals and made them in to Bunkers ? SLA ? We all know that it is the SLA who used chemical masks during the war and not LTTE – so you shall know who used Chemical weaponry against who – It was not the UTHR who said this but you the LTTE diaspora all the way..

    It doesnt take more evidence, bloodier videos, and worse statistics to imagine that something terrible is happening.

    Somethings that were horrific happened till last may – now it is over ! The horrible people are no longer there.

    Why does this video get so much more scrutiny and clinical analysis than the states view that the tigers are -terrorists-, this was -an unprecedented humanitarian operation- or that violence was necessary and could actually -solve- a political, racial conflict?

    3 Points
    1. Tigers or I would say Pussies were indeed Terrorists – U challenge me on that ?
    2. Unprecedented ? After saving thousands of civilians ?? Joking or desperately supporting LTTE ?
    3. Political conflict ?? Who said no in 87 (Indo Lanka), 90 – Premadasa, 94 and 99 Chandrika and most important 2001 Ranil pact ??? All LTTE did was build bunkers and build arms. Is that the settlement you talking of ?? Who is Mad me or you??

    So far there has been a lack of information- from Sri Lanka, but it only would take the slightest historical memory -Nazi concentration camps -and experience to know that a human tragedy is happening out of sight.

    Change your source of Information – you will be better off (or come down and have a look)

  264. Rohan !

    We have been battling each other for more than a year now ha ?? Anyways,

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity.
    We have questions about his ability when he says that he is above accepted norms of Law – not done for an independent organization… What is Judiciaries of countries start thinking that way – poof !!

    Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Machan – not the Tamil net – I need a credible source of Information. Get me CNN or BBC or any other respected source please… Tamil net is LTTE – why do I trust a Terrorist Information source ?
    It is true, we are a part of UN and we can voice our opinion for and against when situations arise – all other member countries do so too…

    Why don’t sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ??? Who said opposition (in the sense not parties that cannot get even 500,000 votes including JHU and TNA) do not trust reports ??? IF SF becomes president tomorrow, you will still see the same stand against the whole situ – trust me !!

  265. Rohan !

    We have been battling each other for more than a year now ha ?? Anyways,

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity.
    We have questions about his ability when he says that he is above accepted norms of Law – not done for an independent organization… What is Judiciaries of countries start thinking that way – poof !!

    Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&art… any way that is an different issue here.

    Machan – not the Tamil net – I need a credible source of Information. Get me CNN or BBC or any other respected source please… Tamil net is LTTE – why do I trust a Terrorist Information source ?
    It is true, we are a part of UN and we can voice our opinion for and against when situations arise – all other member countries do so too…

    Why don’t sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ??? Who said opposition (in the sense not parties that cannot get even 500,000 votes including JHU and TNA) do not trust reports ??? IF SF becomes president tomorrow, you will still see the same stand against the whole situ – trust me !!

  266. Seyon !

    You got your wires crossed again I suppose !

    here were hundreds of thousands of Tamils in the concentration camps, in which Sri Lanka seems to make little distinction between the civilians and the tigers

    Sri Lanka has clearly said that this concentration contains innocent as well as LTTE members. That’s where the filtering came in. Once, the filtering was done, they were set free. So don’t talk rubbish ! see the other posts where this issue was discussed lengthily.

    UTHR also said the Sri Lankan Army is guilty of deliberately using chemical weapons, bombing hospitals and indiscriminate shelling and a use of chemical weapons and bombing hospitals amounts to war crimes.

    Laughing matter – who chased the civilians out of the hospitals and made them in to Bunkers ? SLA ? We all know that it is the SLA who used chemical masks during the war and not LTTE – so you shall know who used Chemical weaponry against who – It was not the UTHR who said this but you the LTTE diaspora all the way..

    It doesnt take more evidence, bloodier videos, and worse statistics to imagine that something terrible is happening.

    Somethings that were horrific happened till last may – now it is over ! The horrible people are no longer there.

    Why does this video get so much more scrutiny and clinical analysis than the states view that the tigers are -terrorists-, this was -an unprecedented humanitarian operation- or that violence was necessary and could actually -solve- a political, racial conflict?

    3 Points
    1. Tigers or I would say Pussies were indeed Terrorists – U challenge me on that ?
    2. Unprecedented ? After saving thousands of civilians ?? Joking or desperately supporting LTTE ?
    3. Political conflict ?? Who said no in 87 (Indo Lanka), 90 – Premadasa, 94 and 99 Chandrika and most important 2001 Ranil pact ??? All LTTE did was build bunkers and build arms. Is that the settlement you talking of ?? Who is Mad me or you??

    So far there has been a lack of information- from Sri Lanka, but it only would take the slightest historical memory -Nazi concentration camps -and experience to know that a human tragedy is happening out of sight.

    Change your source of Information – you will be better off (or come down and have a look)

  267. Rohan !

    We have been battling each other for more than a year now ha ?? Anyways,

    I have no Q about MD, His Voice & AI as whole, Voice against the crime against Humanity.
    We have questions about his ability when he says that he is above accepted norms of Law – not done for an independent organization… What is Judiciaries of countries start thinking that way – poof !!

    Sri lanka condem many UN officials whoever voice 4 the same. But I mentioned on complete opposite involment
    http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=30864, any way that is an different issue here.

    Machan – not the Tamil net – I need a credible source of Information. Get me CNN or BBC or any other respected source please… Tamil net is LTTE – why do I trust a Terrorist Information source ?
    It is true, we are a part of UN and we can voice our opinion for and against when situations arise – all other member countries do so too…

    Why don’t sri lanka agree 4 independent impartial UN investigation???
    No one trust any sri lankan investigation, not even the opposition parties in sri lanka.

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ??? Who said opposition (in the sense not parties that cannot get even 500,000 votes including JHU and TNA) do not trust reports ??? IF SF becomes president tomorrow, you will still see the same stand against the whole situ – trust me !!

  268. I’m very disgusted and disturbed with this act of atrocity against alleged Tamil rebels in the C4 execution video.

    This has been going on for years and yet the Western World is only alerted to it recently

    I’ve lost all faith in the UN as it has failed to stop these atrocities from happening for 6 decades.

    All of the western world thinks that the LTTE was born to spread terror, it wasn’t.

    The LTTE was born to stop the terror that the Sri Lankan government has been spreading the Atrocities and countless executions of any Tamil or anyone (Lasantha ) who stands up against the government.

    I hope now at least the UN will do something to stop the Sinhalese reign of terror

  269. I’m very disgusted and disturbed with this act of atrocity against alleged Tamil rebels in the C4 execution video.

    This has been going on for years and yet the Western World is only alerted to it recently

    I’ve lost all faith in the UN as it has failed to stop these atrocities from happening for 6 decades.

    All of the western world thinks that the LTTE was born to spread terror, it wasn’t.

    The LTTE was born to stop the terror that the Sri Lankan government has been spreading the Atrocities and countless executions of any Tamil or anyone (Lasantha ) who stands up against the government.

    I hope now at least the UN will do something to stop the Sinhalese reign of terror

  270. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 24th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    If u don't like to see Tamilnet news, u can find many media's link http://www.ifpsl.org/images/files/peoples_tribuna
    Many more if u click my name

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id

    IF SF becomes president tomorrow? the fact is
    Whether Mahinda or Fonseka matters the same, says a senior journalist in Jaffna. Only the war criminals, their international abetters and the geopolitical competitors have to worry about the elections and it is their problem.

    Whoever the president, independent International inquiry is necessary.

  271. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 24th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    If u don't like to see Tamilnet news, u can find many media's link http://www.ifpsl.org/images/files/peoples_tribuna
    Many more if u click my name

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id

    IF SF becomes president tomorrow? the fact is
    Whether Mahinda or Fonseka matters the same, says a senior journalist in Jaffna. Only the war criminals, their international abetters and the geopolitical competitors have to worry about the elections and it is their problem.

    Whoever the president, independent International inquiry is necessary.

  272. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 24th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    If u don't like to see Tamilnet news, u can find many media's link http://www.ifpsl.org/images/files/peoples_tribuna
    Many more if u click my name

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id

    IF SF becomes president tomorrow? the fact is
    Whether Mahinda or Fonseka matters the same, says a senior journalist in Jaffna. Only the war criminals, their international abetters and the geopolitical competitors have to worry about the elections and it is their problem.

    Whoever the president, independent International inquiry is necessary.

  273. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 24th, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    If u don’t like to see Tamilnet news, u can find many media’s link
    http://www.ifpsl.org/images/files/peoples_tribunal_on_srilanka.pdf
    Many more if u click my name

    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ??
    http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.4174515989

    IF SF becomes president tomorrow? the fact is
    Whether Mahinda or Fonseka matters the same, says a senior journalist in Jaffna. Only the war criminals, their international abetters and the geopolitical competitors have to worry about the elections and it is their problem.

    Whoever the president, independent International inquiry is necessary.

  274. Rohan !

    I think you have got your wires crossed for the zillionth time again by posting off topic and going on a cut and paste scene. Don't worry, Jim will not block you , but hand a Warning….

    Lord Krishna is in Shame !!

    I am astonished to see your comments – Amazing !! Again totally out of context to the Subject matter – but do not worry, Jim will not block you- may not even warn you. But, let's see the stupid comments you have made…

    I’m very disgusted and disturbed with this act of atrocity against alleged Tamil rebels in the C4 execution video.

    Imagine how the other Sri Lankans feel, to know that it was the Terrorist LTTE in the video who are killing innocent civilians???? Not bright ha ??

    I’ve lost all faith in the UN as it has failed to stop these atrocities from happening for 6 decades.

    The 6 decade scenario is something that the LTTE invented and fabricated. The issue with LTTE is less than 30 years and prior to that, all people lived in the country peacefully. I would take some respect to the comment you made if you are above 65 years old, which I surely trust you are not. If anyone did harm to Tamils in SL, it was LTTE, started by Killing the Jaffna Mayor Doraiappa and still continuing with a countless list including the great Lakshman Kadiragamar and attempts on Douglus Devanandan. There was no need for UN or any organization to stop anything but the LTTE as it was becoming a menace to the world.

    All of the western world thinks that the LTTE was born to spread terror, it wasn’t.
    Now this is an amazingly dumb comment. I don't know where to start or end about the Terrorist activities they carried out which prompted countries world over brand them as Terrorists and stop the activities carried out in those countries. 2 were sentenced to Jail for LTTE activities in USA even recently.

    Just a few points here,
    If not Terrorist activities, What would you call the following acts ??

    1. Planting Bombs in public places where innocent civilians commute.
    2. Resounding to armed conflicts even after many peace processors including foreign mediated processors are put on table.
    3. Start a suicide cult
    4. Kill National leaders, politicians and heads of states by brutal means.
    5. Kill people of any sort including those of same race who oppose activities
    6. Have a Psychologically / Mentally challenged person as the leader of the organization

    Do U call this none-terror acts ?? Are you talking from your Anus instead of the mouth ???

    The LTTE was born to stop the terror that the Sri Lankan government has been spreading the Atrocities and countless executions of any Tamil or anyone (Lasantha ) who stands up against the government.

    You don't have to talk about Lasantha s if he was for the LTTE activities. He never was a LTTE fan, so don't try to make him one and disgrace him. He was opposing the government because he believed in such Journalism. LTTE was born to stop Terror ?? Again you are using the Anus to talk – there was no terror prior or now after the LTTE – so they are the cause of terror. Go to a mental asylum your self and get your Brains and the Anus checked. you really need severe medical attention.

    I hope now at least the UN will do something to stop the Sinhalese reign of terror

    UN doesn't see a reason and so does the majority of the world – now in this scenario of having ridiculous thoughts, you are a minority and as I mentioned above, go get medical attention pronto !!

    Good luck !!

  275. The first point is to determine whether the video is, in fact, real. I believe Alston’s three highly qualified experts have affirmed that the video is real. What is interesting is that the “experts” hired by the Sri Lankan Government reached the opposite conclusion. At this stage, the question is who do you believe? By any yardstick, if we lay down the credentials of Alston’s experts and the Sri Lankan experts side-by-side, it is evident that Alston’s experts are far more qualified. We can reasonably infer that Alston’s experts have access to more sophisticated technology, are more competent in their fields (if we just go by the number of publications) and have no connections to either GOSL, LTTE, or the United Nations. From this we can conclude that the Sri Lankan experts reached a different conclusion because (I) they are less competent, (II) they intentionally lied, (III) there was no concrete investigation. Regardless of the reason, we can safely conclude the Sri Lankan experts reached an erroneous conclusion. Therefore, it remains for them to accept the findings of Alston’s experts, and in doing so, conduct a proper investigation, as you have said here. Because, as I have stated earlier, in the absence of a smoking gun that renders the video counterfeit, the Sri Lankan Army is a possible suspect. Also, as a member state of the United Nations, Sri Lanka is in fact signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and such behavior on its part, as portrayed in the video, is a gross violation of its obligations.

  276. Rohan !

    I think you have got your wires crossed for the zillionth time again by posting off topic and going on a cut and paste scene. Don’t worry, Jim will not block you , but hand a Warning….

    Lord Krishna is in Shame !!

    I am astonished to see your comments – Amazing !! Again totally out of context to the Subject matter – but do not worry, Jim will not block you- may not even warn you. But, let’s see the stupid comments you have made…

    I’m very disgusted and disturbed with this act of atrocity against alleged Tamil rebels in the C4 execution video.

    Imagine how the other Sri Lankans feel, to know that it was the Terrorist LTTE in the video who are killing innocent civilians???? Not bright ha ??

    I’ve lost all faith in the UN as it has failed to stop these atrocities from happening for 6 decades.

    The 6 decade scenario is something that the LTTE invented and fabricated. The issue with LTTE is less than 30 years and prior to that, all people lived in the country peacefully. I would take some respect to the comment you made if you are above 65 years old, which I surely trust you are not. If anyone did harm to Tamils in SL, it was LTTE, started by Killing the Jaffna Mayor Doraiappa and still continuing with a countless list including the great Lakshman Kadiragamar and attempts on Douglus Devanandan. There was no need for UN or any organization to stop anything but the LTTE as it was becoming a menace to the world.

    All of the western world thinks that the LTTE was born to spread terror, it wasn’t.
    Now this is an amazingly dumb comment. I don’t know where to start or end about the Terrorist activities they carried out which prompted countries world over brand them as Terrorists and stop the activities carried out in those countries. 2 were sentenced to Jail for LTTE activities in USA even recently.

    Just a few points here,
    If not Terrorist activities, What would you call the following acts ??

    1. Planting Bombs in public places where innocent civilians commute.
    2. Resounding to armed conflicts even after many peace processors including foreign mediated processors are put on table.
    3. Start a suicide cult
    4. Kill National leaders, politicians and heads of states by brutal means.
    5. Kill people of any sort including those of same race who oppose activities
    6. Have a Psychologically / Mentally challenged person as the leader of the organization

    Do U call this none-terror acts ?? Are you talking from your Anus instead of the mouth ???

    The LTTE was born to stop the terror that the Sri Lankan government has been spreading the Atrocities and countless executions of any Tamil or anyone (Lasantha ) who stands up against the government.

    You don’t have to talk about Lasantha s if he was for the LTTE activities. He never was a LTTE fan, so don’t try to make him one and disgrace him. He was opposing the government because he believed in such Journalism. LTTE was born to stop Terror ?? Again you are using the Anus to talk – there was no terror prior or now after the LTTE – so they are the cause of terror. Go to a mental asylum your self and get your Brains and the Anus checked. you really need severe medical attention.

    I hope now at least the UN will do something to stop the Sinhalese reign of terror

    UN doesn’t see a reason and so does the majority of the world – now in this scenario of having ridiculous thoughts, you are a minority and as I mentioned above, go get medical attention pronto !!

    Good luck !!

  277. Ade Kovil !!

    believe Alston’s three highly qualified experts have affirmed that the video is real.
    did U read it from top to bottom ????????? It says they have a question of doubt in the end…. If you at least pay attention to what's written on this blog, still you'd know. I guess U R just cutting and pasting stuff from other websites… If not, no one could be as stupid as you are to bring out the same stupid question over and over again…

    You talk of lies, who in this world lied more than the LTTE ?? At least we can respect the Al Quaida's and Thalibhan's because they were not pussy to deny what they did. What did the LTTE do ? Even after evidence was out in broad day light to see, lie about them and deny the acts – Such cowards… I only feel sorry for you Sods – trying to resurrect something out of nothing…… Get a life man !!

  278. The first point is to determine whether the video is, in fact, real. I believe Alston’s three highly qualified experts have affirmed that the video is real. What is interesting is that the “experts” hired by the Sri Lankan Government reached the opposite conclusion. At this stage, the question is who do you believe? By any yardstick, if we lay down the credentials of Alston’s experts and the Sri Lankan experts side-by-side, it is evident that Alston’s experts are far more qualified. We can reasonably infer that Alston’s experts have access to more sophisticated technology, are more competent in their fields (if we just go by the number of publications) and have no connections to either GOSL, LTTE, or the United Nations. From this we can conclude that the Sri Lankan experts reached a different conclusion because (I) they are less competent, (II) they intentionally lied, (III) there was no concrete investigation. Regardless of the reason, we can safely conclude the Sri Lankan experts reached an erroneous conclusion. Therefore, it remains for them to accept the findings of Alston’s experts, and in doing so, conduct a proper investigation, as you have said here. Because, as I have stated earlier, in the absence of a smoking gun that renders the video counterfeit, the Sri Lankan Army is a possible suspect. Also, as a member state of the United Nations, Sri Lanka is in fact signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and such behavior on its part, as portrayed in the video, is a gross violation of its obligations.

  279. Ade Kovil !!

    believe Alston’s three highly qualified experts have affirmed that the video is real.
    did U read it from top to bottom ????????? It says they have a question of doubt in the end…. If you at least pay attention to what’s written on this blog, still you’d know. I guess U R just cutting and pasting stuff from other websites… If not, no one could be as stupid as you are to bring out the same stupid question over and over again…

    You talk of lies, who in this world lied more than the LTTE ?? At least we can respect the Al Quaida’s and Thalibhan’s because they were not pussy to deny what they did. What did the LTTE do ? Even after evidence was out in broad day light to see, lie about them and deny the acts – Such cowards… I only feel sorry for you Sods – trying to resurrect something out of nothing…… Get a life man !!

  280. Perhaps, Sri Lankan Army is not innocent of the charges being leveled against it in the execution tape.

    The three world renowned experts who compiled the report for Alston demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that the incident took place.

    If the incident took place, there are only two culprits: (I) the Sri Lankan Army or (II) the LTTE.

    The stripping behavior, as I have indicated, implicates the Sri Lankan Armed Forces.

    In general, Sri Lankan security personnel, are well known for this kind of behavior:

    (I) Video showing dead LTTE women being stripped and abused by Sinhalese Army soldiers

    (II) Sinhalese woman stopped at a roadblock, suspected of being a suicide bomber, and stripped naked in broad daylight, by police personnel in Colombo

    (III) Dead bodies of LTTE attackers at Anuradhapura stripped and paraded through the town for the people to look at

    (IV) Young boy stripped at checkpoint in Colombo and forced to strip for police personnel

    (V) Prisoners in custody stripped by Sri Lankan Army and shot/executed

  281. Perhaps, Sri Lankan Army is not innocent of the charges being leveled against it in the execution tape.

    The three world renowned experts who compiled the report for Alston demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that the incident took place.

    If the incident took place, there are only two culprits: (I) the Sri Lankan Army or (II) the LTTE.

    The stripping behavior, as I have indicated, implicates the Sri Lankan Armed Forces.

    In general, Sri Lankan security personnel, are well known for this kind of behavior:

    (I) Video showing dead LTTE women being stripped and abused by Sinhalese Army soldiers

    (II) Sinhalese woman stopped at a roadblock, suspected of being a suicide bomber, and stripped naked in broad daylight, by police personnel in Colombo

    (III) Dead bodies of LTTE attackers at Anuradhapura stripped and paraded through the town for the people to look at

    (IV) Young boy stripped at checkpoint in Colombo and forced to strip for police personnel

    (V) Prisoners in custody stripped by Sri Lankan Army and shot/executed

  282. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 1:37 am
    Oh man whenever u r exposed, u always ask MD to block me.
    see ur Q?
    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ???
    check my answer
    January 25th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Seyon Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
    (I) Video showing dead LTTE women being stripped and abused by Sinhalese Army soldiers
    This video is also similar to execution video. It showed on HEADLINE TODAY, north india's TV.

  283. Jim Pappa Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 1:37 am
    Oh man whenever u r exposed, u always ask MD to block me.
    see ur Q?
    Anyone can carry out any investigation – no one has said no ?? Who said no ???
    check my answer
    January 25th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Seyon Says:
    January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
    (I) Video showing dead LTTE women being stripped and abused by Sinhalese Army soldiers
    This video is also similar to execution video. It showed on HEADLINE TODAY, north india’s TV.

  284. Seyon ! (re. your post on January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am)

    Give it up man !!

    Read above posts and you will see that the same people that you call independent expert observers have said that there could be doubtful elements. We are not talking of what the government analysts say.

    Also it is the Terrorists who are known to kill people in cold blood, not a respectable, legal army.

    Also forget about telling people were stripped on the roads – you sound as if they were stripped to the last piece of thread that they wear. Not true – when requirement comes and when elements of doubt exists, people were asked to remove parts of their clothing to justify – blame should go to Terrorists for creating such situation. You can't risk hundreds of people's lives by not causing some discomfort to an individual.

    Also on many instances, the bodies of dead people in combat do not come with proper attire – they get burnt (If you know what war exactly is). Do you call the half naked / fully naked bodies of Afghan Guerrilla's as American soldiers stripping them off ??? You are an Idiot !!

    Overall, you are mislead or deliberately lying !!

  285. Rohan !

    Re your post on January 26th, 2010 at 9:22 pm.

    Be precise when you are answering a question if so – You see us posting the question prior to the answer or referring to the post. In any case, you have gone way beyond topic and you indeed should be blocked in my books though AI is so good to you. At least be decent and don't misuse the opportunity. Also the link you forwarded has no relevance to the question I asked… Also the video – another hoax by LTTE ??

    In Hell – Re your post on January 27th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    As I replied in another post for this same question of yours which is out side the topic of this blog, I feel that you do not understand much of what you are doing, but only try to make posts with the intention of discrediting Sri Lanka and supporting a none existing group of LTTE terrorists.

    Also, we all know that Dickhead is anti SL and Pro terrorist – so we don't have much regard to anything he says. However, If you see the results, Though MR lost the overall polls in North and East, he also got a considerable % of votes for himself. This means that there are people in these areas who has a load of faith in MR. Hence, it is quite obvious that the people will not be mistreated by any means and development in these areas will continue as it is…

    BTW, please refrain from posting off topic in this forum, we could have discussed this matter in the other post which was meant for election related matter… I hope you understand what I said here – sorry I couldn't put it in Tamil as my Tamil is quite poor. .

  286. Seyon ! (re. your post on January 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am)

    Give it up man !!

    Read above posts and you will see that the same people that you call independent expert observers have said that there could be doubtful elements. We are not talking of what the government analysts say.

    Also it is the Terrorists who are known to kill people in cold blood, not a respectable, legal army.

    Also forget about telling people were stripped on the roads – you sound as if they were stripped to the last piece of thread that they wear. Not true – when requirement comes and when elements of doubt exists, people were asked to remove parts of their clothing to justify – blame should go to Terrorists for creating such situation. You can’t risk hundreds of people’s lives by not causing some discomfort to an individual.

    Also on many instances, the bodies of dead people in combat do not come with proper attire – they get burnt (If you know what war exactly is). Do you call the half naked / fully naked bodies of Afghan Guerrilla’s as American soldiers stripping them off ??? You are an Idiot !!

    Overall, you are mislead or deliberately lying !!

  287. Rohan !

    Re your post on January 26th, 2010 at 9:22 pm.

    Be precise when you are answering a question if so – You see us posting the question prior to the answer or referring to the post. In any case, you have gone way beyond topic and you indeed should be blocked in my books though AI is so good to you. At least be decent and don’t misuse the opportunity. Also the link you forwarded has no relevance to the question I asked… Also the video – another hoax by LTTE ??

    In Hell – Re your post on January 27th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    As I replied in another post for this same question of yours which is out side the topic of this blog, I feel that you do not understand much of what you are doing, but only try to make posts with the intention of discrediting Sri Lanka and supporting a none existing group of LTTE terrorists.

    Also, we all know that Dickhead is anti SL and Pro terrorist – so we don’t have much regard to anything he says. However, If you see the results, Though MR lost the overall polls in North and East, he also got a considerable % of votes for himself. This means that there are people in these areas who has a load of faith in MR. Hence, it is quite obvious that the people will not be mistreated by any means and development in these areas will continue as it is…

    BTW, please refrain from posting off topic in this forum, we could have discussed this matter in the other post which was meant for election related matter… I hope you understand what I said here – sorry I couldn’t put it in Tamil as my Tamil is quite poor. .

  288. Shocking Video from UK Channel 4 Television

    Blind folded, hands tied behind their backs, naked, on their knees, not knowing what was happening around but hearing just the sounds of Sinhala soldiers mocking and laughing, occasional gun shots. What could have gone through the minds of these young Tamil men in their final hours? They were executed in a most cruel manner just for a simple reason that they were Tamils.

    Their mothers bore them in pain, gave birth to them in pain, fed them from their breasts and toiled for years to bring them up. Their children found safety and protection in their arms. These were ordinary men who had dreams about their future. Just like any of us, they also wanted to see their children growing up. They trusted the world around them to come for their rescue even at their last minutes. But their lives were cut short. They were looked down by their enemies as rotten pieces of meat that don't even need proper burial.

    This is not a bedtime horror story. This is not about something that happened thousands of years ago when giants and barbarians roamed the earth. This is not a Hollywood movie about man eating cannibals. What Channel 4 had shown in UK is a real story of a people group called Tamils in the horror island of Sri Lanka.

  289. Shocking Video from UK Channel 4 Television

    Blind folded, hands tied behind their backs, naked, on their knees, not knowing what was happening around but hearing just the sounds of Sinhala soldiers mocking and laughing, occasional gun shots. What could have gone through the minds of these young Tamil men in their final hours? They were executed in a most cruel manner just for a simple reason that they were Tamils.

    Their mothers bore them in pain, gave birth to them in pain, fed them from their breasts and toiled for years to bring them up. Their children found safety and protection in their arms. These were ordinary men who had dreams about their future. Just like any of us, they also wanted to see their children growing up. They trusted the world around them to come for their rescue even at their last minutes. But their lives were cut short. They were looked down by their enemies as rotten pieces of meat that don’t even need proper burial.

    This is not a bedtime horror story. This is not about something that happened thousands of years ago when giants and barbarians roamed the earth. This is not a Hollywood movie about man eating cannibals. What Channel 4 had shown in UK is a real story of a people group called Tamils in the horror island of Sri Lanka.

  290. Hey Saudn Jema !!

    Haven't you and many others posted the same post as your post on January 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am ???????

    Haven't you got your answers for them too ??? Ah.. mmm… you can see them if you had bothered to read the other posts…

    Now this only proves more that you are very very stupid as we mentioned before, or you do not understand jack and you just are a cut and paste goonie…

  291. Savundaranayagam

    Yes this is not a bedtime horror story.

    Many were shocked and felt so sick in and out after seeing the video clips of Tamils being executed as innocent lambs in broad day light. Strangely for m, a Tamil living in the West haven't found it as shocking because we have witnessed hundreds and hundreds of such incidents in our own Tamil villages and towns. Our eyes had seen our loved ones being butchered with knives, swords, guns and bombs. We saw our houses being burned down and farms being destroyed.

    We saw our r sisters and mothers being abused and raped. Our fathers were shot and killed in front of weeping children and mothers. Our loved ones and friends were killed in prisons, schools, hospitals and in their own homes. Tamils in Sri Lanka no longer have a voice and they no longer have the right to turn left or right. Our, Tamil community that once fought for equal rights is now fighting for its bare survival.

    Interestingly, Sri Lankan war criminals who have been committing such deadly crimes are not all happy about the world watching what they do to the vulnerable. They have no way to defend their atrocities so they just deny the video as fake. UN investigators have confirmed that the video was authentic

  292. Hey Saudn Jema !!

    Haven’t you and many others posted the same post as your post on January 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am ???????

    Haven’t you got your answers for them too ??? Ah.. mmm… you can see them if you had bothered to read the other posts…

    Now this only proves more that you are very very stupid as we mentioned before, or you do not understand jack and you just are a cut and paste goonie…

  293. Savundaranayagam

    Yes this is not a bedtime horror story.

    Many were shocked and felt so sick in and out after seeing the video clips of Tamils being executed as innocent lambs in broad day light. Strangely for m, a Tamil living in the West haven’t found it as shocking because we have witnessed hundreds and hundreds of such incidents in our own Tamil villages and towns. Our eyes had seen our loved ones being butchered with knives, swords, guns and bombs. We saw our houses being burned down and farms being destroyed.

    We saw our r sisters and mothers being abused and raped. Our fathers were shot and killed in front of weeping children and mothers. Our loved ones and friends were killed in prisons, schools, hospitals and in their own homes. Tamils in Sri Lanka no longer have a voice and they no longer have the right to turn left or right. Our, Tamil community that once fought for equal rights is now fighting for its bare survival.

    Interestingly, Sri Lankan war criminals who have been committing such deadly crimes are not all happy about the world watching what they do to the vulnerable. They have no way to defend their atrocities so they just deny the video as fake. UN investigators have confirmed that the video was authentic

  294. Rohan,

    Re your post of me preferring CNN, indeed yes, and you see the reason why..

    They are only repeating and relating to a news that they clearly say that was shown on C4. They do not say here by anymeans that they agree with what C4 say or that they themselves are trying to investigate on this. It is like NDTV of India saying something like "The LTTE leader today had said to SUN TV of India that he want's to kill Mr. X, and have a Pact going with Mr. Y" – it is only a repeat and nothing to do with the news being authentic or not or them confirming such thing – Now that is what U call news and being responsible, Not like C4 who them selves try to be analysis – that's not what's expected by media. Loose credibility – Just like Rupavahini in SL – totally biased to government and useless, hence, less credible.

  295. Bala Mokada Me Paththe :D !!

    Let me rephrase your post for you…

    Many were shocked and felt so sick in and out after seeing the video clips of SLA Soldiers / Singhalees or Muslims of Border villages being executed as innocent lambs in broad day light by the Brutal LTTE terrorists. Strangely, Tamils living in the Western countries haven’t found it as shocking because they have loved having hundreds and hundreds of such incidents provided to them, so that they can make them feel as if the Sri Lankan soldiers are doing so to Tamil people and not even the LTTE Terrorists. It indeed is hard to see Innocent people being butchered with knives, swords, guns and bombs, bu then again, such video's could be used as adverse publicity material against the GOSL. Many parts of the world has seen the border village houses being burned down and farms being destroyed and people of any ethnic group and clergy being brutally murdered by the LTTE.

    LTTE in Sri Lanka no longer have a voice and they no longer have the right to turn left or right. LTTE terrorists that once fought to achieve the dream of a mentally challenged fat bastard are now fighting for its bare survival by means of false claims by their desperate diaspora.

    Interestingly, some of the Terrorists who have been committing such deadly crimes are not all happy about the GOSL unveiling the truth and actual facts to the world, hence, spoiling their efforts. They have no way to defend their atrocities so they just try to make the video look authentic. Even the UN investigators have confirmed that the video has doubts in it though the video has been shot continuously.

    Happy ??

  296. What was shown on Channel 4 UK where the Tamils being executed by Sri Lankan Soldiers-is just a drop in the ocean.

    Many eyes in Sri Lanka have witnessed crimes that were much crueler than this.

    Thousands of digital pictures and video clips, many satellite images and other concrete evidences are available to prove without a shadow of doubt that Sri Lankan regime committed countless crimes against the Tamil community in Sri Lanka with the excuse of fighting terror.

    What was shown on the British TV is what happened to many innocent civilians who were trying to escape the war zone and decided to get into the government controlled territory.

    The whole world had witnessed how the Sri Lankan regime was pretending like saviors of Tamils but engaged in killing innocent Tamils in thousands.

  297. Bala Me paththe !!

    You are just repeating stuff that has been discussed in these forums I think for the past 1 year. These have been discussed in length over the past months. (satellite images, Crimes against Tamils, killing Tamils etc. – infact we did mentioned and proved that LTTE has killed more Tamils than SLA killed in LTTE)

    May I kindly request from you to read the past blogs prior to posting here. I my self am getting a bit tired of repeating the same thing over and over again…

  298. Jim Pappa

    Are you this forum sensor or a policeman ?

    This is not Sri Lanka where bloggers with opposing views get promptly arrested.

    I can express my point of view about the Channel 4 video from UK freely here

  299. balaraman Says:
    January 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Jim pappa still working for sri lanka's military machine, what else we could expect from him.

  300. Yes, I think so too.

    He seems to work for the Sri Lankan Government propaganda machine and he is here to humiliate, confuse and misinform :( :( :(

  301. Rohan,

    Re your post of me preferring CNN, indeed yes, and you see the reason why..

    They are only repeating and relating to a news that they clearly say that was shown on C4. They do not say here by anymeans that they agree with what C4 say or that they themselves are trying to investigate on this. It is like NDTV of India saying something like “The LTTE leader today had said to SUN TV of India that he want’s to kill Mr. X, and have a Pact going with Mr. Y” – it is only a repeat and nothing to do with the news being authentic or not or them confirming such thing – Now that is what U call news and being responsible, Not like C4 who them selves try to be analysis – that’s not what’s expected by media. Loose credibility – Just like Rupavahini in SL – totally biased to government and useless, hence, less credible.

  302. Bala Mokada Me Paththe :D !!

    Let me rephrase your post for you…

    Many were shocked and felt so sick in and out after seeing the video clips of SLA Soldiers / Singhalees or Muslims of Border villages being executed as innocent lambs in broad day light by the Brutal LTTE terrorists. Strangely, Tamils living in the Western countries haven’t found it as shocking because they have loved having hundreds and hundreds of such incidents provided to them, so that they can make them feel as if the Sri Lankan soldiers are doing so to Tamil people and not even the LTTE Terrorists. It indeed is hard to see Innocent people being butchered with knives, swords, guns and bombs, bu then again, such video’s could be used as adverse publicity material against the GOSL. Many parts of the world has seen the border village houses being burned down and farms being destroyed and people of any ethnic group and clergy being brutally murdered by the LTTE.

    LTTE in Sri Lanka no longer have a voice and they no longer have the right to turn left or right. LTTE terrorists that once fought to achieve the dream of a mentally challenged fat bastard are now fighting for its bare survival by means of false claims by their desperate diaspora.

    Interestingly, some of the Terrorists who have been committing such deadly crimes are not all happy about the GOSL unveiling the truth and actual facts to the world, hence, spoiling their efforts. They have no way to defend their atrocities so they just try to make the video look authentic. Even the UN investigators have confirmed that the video has doubts in it though the video has been shot continuously.

    Happy ??

  303. What was shown on Channel 4 UK where the Tamils being executed by Sri Lankan Soldiers-is just a drop in the ocean.

    Many eyes in Sri Lanka have witnessed crimes that were much crueler than this.

    Thousands of digital pictures and video clips, many satellite images and other concrete evidences are available to prove without a shadow of doubt that Sri Lankan regime committed countless crimes against the Tamil community in Sri Lanka with the excuse of fighting terror.

    What was shown on the British TV is what happened to many innocent civilians who were trying to escape the war zone and decided to get into the government controlled territory.

    The whole world had witnessed how the Sri Lankan regime was pretending like saviors of Tamils but engaged in killing innocent Tamils in thousands.

  304. Bala Me paththe !!

    You are just repeating stuff that has been discussed in these forums I think for the past 1 year. These have been discussed in length over the past months. (satellite images, Crimes against Tamils, killing Tamils etc. – infact we did mentioned and proved that LTTE has killed more Tamils than SLA killed in LTTE)

    May I kindly request from you to read the past blogs prior to posting here. I my self am getting a bit tired of repeating the same thing over and over again…

  305. Jim Pappa

    Are you this forum sensor or a policeman ?

    This is not Sri Lanka where bloggers with opposing views get promptly arrested.

    I can express my point of view about the Channel 4 video from UK freely here

  306. balaraman Says:
    January 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Jim pappa still working for sri lanka’s military machine, what else we could expect from him.

  307. Yes, I think so too.

    He seems to work for the Sri Lankan Government propaganda machine and he is here to humiliate, confuse and misinform :( :( :(

  308. Ado Pini Bala !!

    I am the Sri Lankan in this forum form Sri Lanka. I am only telling you not to cut and paste and repeat the same thing over and over again. If you do so, I also can cut and paste and repeat the same thing over and over from my previous posts, not from other articles like you pathetic idiots do. Your posting on channel 4 is obviously a repeat on this site – if you had a pinch of brain left in you, you would have read the articles above and not gone on to repeat the same thing – thin indeed shows how intelligent you are.

    I am a Sri Lankan and nothing to do with the government. I am with 57% + 40% who voted for 2 people who ended Terrorism. We can know the % who voted for you by checking votes of Wickramabahu Karunarathne – he is the only man who talks of division. I am the propaganda machine for Sri Lanka, ensuring that you mentally challenged LTTE diaspora would not get away with all the lies and bullshit… !!

    Bring it on brother – I will be here !!

  309. Ado Pini Bala !!

    I am the Sri Lankan in this forum form Sri Lanka. I am only telling you not to cut and paste and repeat the same thing over and over again. If you do so, I also can cut and paste and repeat the same thing over and over from my previous posts, not from other articles like you pathetic idiots do. Your posting on channel 4 is obviously a repeat on this site – if you had a pinch of brain left in you, you would have read the articles above and not gone on to repeat the same thing – thin indeed shows how intelligent you are.

    I am a Sri Lankan and nothing to do with the government. I am with 57% + 40% who voted for 2 people who ended Terrorism. We can know the % who voted for you by checking votes of Wickramabahu Karunarathne – he is the only man who talks of division. I am the propaganda machine for Sri Lanka, ensuring that you mentally challenged LTTE diaspora would not get away with all the lies and bullshit… !!

    Bring it on brother – I will be here !!

  310. I’m too enormously shaken about the execution footage !!!

    But this C4 video clip is an answer to many who questioned why Tamils were not willing to go into the government controlled area during the War in Vanni.

    Tamils see the Sri Lankan soldiers as killer demons and not as liberators.

    Story of Sri Lanka in the last sixty one years is simply the repetitions of hundreds and thousands of similar horrific events at different scales.

    99% of the perpetrators were either Sri Lankan military or extremist Sinhala mobs and 99% of the victims were innocent Tamils.

  311. I’m too enormously shaken about the execution footage !!!

    But this C4 video clip is an answer to many who questioned why Tamils were not willing to go into the government controlled area during the War in Vanni.

    Tamils see the Sri Lankan soldiers as killer demons and not as liberators.

    Story of Sri Lanka in the last sixty one years is simply the repetitions of hundreds and thousands of similar horrific events at different scales.

    99% of the perpetrators were either Sri Lankan military or extremist Sinhala mobs and 99% of the victims were innocent Tamils.

  312. Ado Saudan !

    But this C4 video clip is an answer to many who questioned why Tamils were not willing to go into the government controlled area during the War in Vanni.

    U guys say that Sri Lankan's forget things in a few days, I guess it is you who have the issue. Watch the video to remind you of the reason why they did not come to the government controlled areas. You challenge the authenticity of this video ?? Why not ??

    LOL – now you are caught red handed trying to lie – you idiots as always – trying to lie and getting caught – at least now realize why you loosers don't get international support what ever you say. They all know that you are playing a fools game which has nothing to do with Tamils, but saving your sorry asses.

    Let me give you a suggestion, now since you were caught lying, why not go have a good nap, wake up, start a decent life and do this world a favour.

  313. Ado Saudan !

    But this C4 video clip is an answer to many who questioned why Tamils were not willing to go into the government controlled area during the War in Vanni.

    U guys say that Sri Lankan’s forget things in a few days, I guess it is you who have the issue. Watch the video to remind you of the reason why they did not come to the government controlled areas. You challenge the authenticity of this video ?? Why not ??

    LOL – now you are caught red handed trying to lie – you idiots as always – trying to lie and getting caught – at least now realize why you loosers don’t get international support what ever you say. They all know that you are playing a fools game which has nothing to do with Tamils, but saving your sorry asses.

    Let me give you a suggestion, now since you were caught lying, why not go have a good nap, wake up, start a decent life and do this world a favour.

  314. The mockery language in the execution video used by the mono-ethnic Sri Lankan military personal is nothing new for a country which has a worst record on human rights abuse.

    The Sri Lankan State Terrorism started in the Tamils homelands in early the 50es.

    Abduction, disappearances, mass murders and aerial bombardment went on without any qualms and the death toll run into thousands.

  315. The mockery language in the execution video used by the mono-ethnic Sri Lankan military personal is nothing new for a country which has a worst record on human rights abuse.

    The Sri Lankan State Terrorism started in the Tamils homelands in early the 50es.

    Abduction, disappearances, mass murders and aerial bombardment went on without any qualms and the death toll run into thousands.

  316. Rohan !

    Re. your post on January 31st, 2010 at 1:09 am

    The video – let me raise these questions !1

    1. The girl is a bit too fair for my liking to be a Rebel soldier – now let's not argue on this as I don't totally discard the idea of some mix being there.
    2. The video doesn't show any Army person stripping the woman, but pulling them out from the drain / bunker (Whatever you call it)
    3. No body needs Knowledge of Rocket Science to know that this place has been shelled – and we all know that the cloths burnout when there is shelling – or even it could be multi-barrel attack which do shed and burn the cloths off.
    4. The soldier is pulling the dead body out of the bunker – not doing any illegal act – may be you expected them to just bulldoze and cover the bunker with soil, but then again, that's where you guys hide your ammunition and any explosives buried under would not be that healthy for the future generations to come if they decide to build something over here in the years to come ha ??

    Not a good enough story for you to frame the SLA of war crimes… Do you call getting a dead body out of a bunker Abusing ????? May be it's time for you to re-visit the great book called the Dictionary.. :) !! Happy reading !!

  317. Ganesh – Read this blog from top + re-visit some of the older posts :) to get the reply to your repeat post – Thanks in advance !!

  318. Jim Pappa

    This was my first post

    Ganeshalingam Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:48 am
    _______________

    Now I’m writing my second post.

    Are you imposing some kind of rules here?

  319. Ganesh – U donkey !!

    If you had read what I said right, I only wanted you to check the previous posts for the answers to your post which is a repeat telecast from what many others have mentioned a zillion times….

  320. Rohan !

    Re. your post on January 31st, 2010 at 1:09 am

    The video – let me raise these questions !1

    1. The girl is a bit too fair for my liking to be a Rebel soldier – now let’s not argue on this as I don’t totally discard the idea of some mix being there.
    2. The video doesn’t show any Army person stripping the woman, but pulling them out from the drain / bunker (Whatever you call it)
    3. No body needs Knowledge of Rocket Science to know that this place has been shelled – and we all know that the cloths burnout when there is shelling – or even it could be multi-barrel attack which do shed and burn the cloths off.
    4. The soldier is pulling the dead body out of the bunker – not doing any illegal act – may be you expected them to just bulldoze and cover the bunker with soil, but then again, that’s where you guys hide your ammunition and any explosives buried under would not be that healthy for the future generations to come if they decide to build something over here in the years to come ha ??

    Not a good enough story for you to frame the SLA of war crimes… Do you call getting a dead body out of a bunker Abusing ????? May be it’s time for you to re-visit the great book called the Dictionary.. :) !! Happy reading !!

  321. Ganesh – Read this blog from top + re-visit some of the older posts :) to get the reply to your repeat post – Thanks in advance !!

  322. Jim Pappa

    This was my first post

    Ganeshalingam Says:
    January 31st, 2010 at 4:48 am
    _______________

    Now I’m writing my second post.

    Are you imposing some kind of rules here?

  323. Ganesh – U donkey !!

    If you had read what I said right, I only wanted you to check the previous posts for the answers to your post which is a repeat telecast from what many others have mentioned a zillion times….

  324. Rohan !!

    I am not quite sure whether you understand what we are saying here !!

    Don't you see the burn marks from Shell firing ?? Obviously these are LTTE female soldiers that had got bombarded from the SLA. Their cloths and bodies do burn up – as you clearly can see in their bodies the dark / black burn marks…

    Now how on earth can this be abuse ?????????

    In war situations, usually, the opposing parties do get killed and this indeed is the end result – there is nothing abusive about this – Gee Man… I seriously don't understand your mentality ???? Do U call killing / bombarding Terrorists Abuse ??????? If so, you need to defa go to Mullariyawa (Mental Asylum) !!

  325. Pappa's theory don't work here, even the people in the Mullariyawa (Mental Asylum) like u should know these r the abuse by SLA. It is waste of time in explaining to Mullariyawa Patient. The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil regions over 30 years.

  326. @ Rohan's post on Feb 1st 2010 1.21 a.m.

    LOL – that's all you guys know – to make jokers and look jokers….

    SLA was on a mission that had clear time lines. They finished the mission (of eliminating Terrorists Way before that. There would have been no time to Rape anyone as you say – Joke is on you bro… Nothing of that sort happened here… May be in the Mental Asylum you are in, where, you are with some war victims of dreamland…

  327. Rohan !!

    I am not quite sure whether you understand what we are saying here !!

    Don’t you see the burn marks from Shell firing ?? Obviously these are LTTE female soldiers that had got bombarded from the SLA. Their cloths and bodies do burn up – as you clearly can see in their bodies the dark / black burn marks…

    Now how on earth can this be abuse ?????????

    In war situations, usually, the opposing parties do get killed and this indeed is the end result – there is nothing abusive about this – Gee Man… I seriously don’t understand your mentality ???? Do U call killing / bombarding Terrorists Abuse ??????? If so, you need to defa go to Mullariyawa (Mental Asylum) !!

  328. Pappa’s theory don’t work here, even the people in the Mullariyawa (Mental Asylum) like u should know these r the abuse by SLA. It is waste of time in explaining to Mullariyawa Patient. The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil regions over 30 years.

  329. @ Rohan’s post on Feb 1st 2010 1.21 a.m.

    LOL – that’s all you guys know – to make jokers and look jokers….

    SLA was on a mission that had clear time lines. They finished the mission (of eliminating Terrorists Way before that. There would have been no time to Rape anyone as you say – Joke is on you bro… Nothing of that sort happened here… May be in the Mental Asylum you are in, where, you are with some war victims of dreamland…

  330. Well said Rohan

    Yes, The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years.

    INDICTMENT AGAINST SRI LANKA
    State Terror – the Record Speaks…

    "The Sri Lankan security forces are using systematic rape and murder of Tamil women to subjugate the Tamil population… Impunity continues to reign as rape is used as a weapon of war in Sri Lanka." Asian Human Rights Commission

    Rape & Murder of Tamil Women "Sri Lankan soldiers have raped both women and young girls on a massive scale, and often with impunity, since reporting often leads to reprisals against the victims and their families.." World Organization against Torture

  331. Though there have been numerous reports indicating that the Sri Lankan Army (SLA) has been systematically raping Tamil women fleeing the country’s war zone for the past four months, the Sri Lankan government’s brutal methods of media censorship have almost entirely prevented these stories from being publicized.

    The most notable exceptions are two articles in the Tamil media, one that reported “130 women were taken for sexual abuse” after fleeing the war zone by SLA soldiers, and one that described “shocking stories of sexual violence meted out” to Tamil women civilian detainees in military-run detention camps. However, the untold personal accounts from witnesses and victims of these crimes are countless.

    In February, a doctor in the Vavuniya hospital, speaking on the condition of anonymity, reported that he had an entire ward full of women who had been raped by soldiers, many of whom had bite marks “all over their bodies.”

    In March, a woman who is being forcibly held in a female-only “transit camp” reported the soldiers had raped virtually every detainee in the camp while taking them outside individually to “interview” them about possible connections to the rebel Tamil Tigers (LTTE).

    Another anonymous source, who is involved in disposing dead bodies from the conflict zone, said that the majority of bodies of women who the army claims were LTTE members had been raped.

  332. Well said Rohan

    Yes, The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years.

    INDICTMENT AGAINST SRI LANKA
    State Terror – the Record Speaks…

    “The Sri Lankan security forces are using systematic rape and murder of Tamil women to subjugate the Tamil population… Impunity continues to reign as rape is used as a weapon of war in Sri Lanka.” Asian Human Rights Commission

    Rape & Murder of Tamil Women “Sri Lankan soldiers have raped both women and young girls on a massive scale, and often with impunity, since reporting often leads to reprisals against the victims and their families..” World Organization against Torture

  333. Though there have been numerous reports indicating that the Sri Lankan Army (SLA) has been systematically raping Tamil women fleeing the country’s war zone for the past four months, the Sri Lankan government’s brutal methods of media censorship have almost entirely prevented these stories from being publicized.

    The most notable exceptions are two articles in the Tamil media, one that reported “130 women were taken for sexual abuse” after fleeing the war zone by SLA soldiers, and one that described “shocking stories of sexual violence meted out” to Tamil women civilian detainees in military-run detention camps. However, the untold personal accounts from witnesses and victims of these crimes are countless.

    In February, a doctor in the Vavuniya hospital, speaking on the condition of anonymity, reported that he had an entire ward full of women who had been raped by soldiers, many of whom had bite marks “all over their bodies.”

    In March, a woman who is being forcibly held in a female-only “transit camp” reported the soldiers had raped virtually every detainee in the camp while taking them outside individually to “interview” them about possible connections to the rebel Tamil Tigers (LTTE).

    Another anonymous source, who is involved in disposing dead bodies from the conflict zone, said that the majority of bodies of women who the army claims were LTTE members had been raped.

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  336. Krishna Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 8:36 am ,
    Yes brother, there are many infomation available regarding the "The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years". This blog has different scope, It is not right to go more on that. I am not worried about Mullariyawa man too.
    Now the ball is on the UN side for investigation of War crimes committed on Tamils in Sri lanka.

  337. Krishna Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    And

    Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    Well said Rohan

    Yes, The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years.

    Do U say that the majority of children born over the past 30 years in the north are Bastards ???

    Don't talk rubbish – there has been no evidence what so ever to prove any of these false allegations. We have heard that in most war situation from the day that Wars in this world started there had been these kind of incidents, but never heard that Rape was used as a weapon – wow – I know that over excitement during sex sometimes could send a person over the moon (Literally), but never heard of sex killing a person… This is new to me.. The SL soldiers are so good in this act or what ??? I mean to kill for – wow !

    All of Krishna's posting is made up and has no authenticity of where the information came from. You are the people who try to spread rumors.

    Bottom line – do not talk rubbish – it's you who become the laughing stock.. It is dumb postings like this that indicates the rightful place for you – Mulleriyawa !!

  338. Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Yes, you are right about it .

    And let’s not worried about the Mullariyawa man

  339. Saudan and Rohan !

    Pardon me here, But Why are you not worrying about your own kind ?? I thought that you were here because of them ??

    See you post Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Yes, you are right about it .

    And let’s not worried about the Mullariyawa man

    Don't do that man – you only have each other at this moment..

  340. Saudan,

    Oh Yah – the Mulleriyawa Doctors do come in the evening after work when we socialize at the clubs and pubs in Colombo. Actually they do keep us entertained by telling moe stories about what U people do.. :) !

  341. Krishna Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 8:36 am ,
    Yes brother, there are many infomation available regarding the “The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years”. This blog has different scope, It is not right to go more on that. I am not worried about Mullariyawa man too.
    Now the ball is on the UN side for investigation of War crimes committed on Tamils in Sri lanka.

  342. Krishna Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 8:36 am

    And

    Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    Well said Rohan

    Yes, The Sri Lankan Army has been using rape as a weapon of war in the Tamil Homelands for over 30 years.

    Do U say that the majority of children born over the past 30 years in the north are Bastards ???

    Don’t talk rubbish – there has been no evidence what so ever to prove any of these false allegations. We have heard that in most war situation from the day that Wars in this world started there had been these kind of incidents, but never heard that Rape was used as a weapon – wow – I know that over excitement during sex sometimes could send a person over the moon (Literally), but never heard of sex killing a person… This is new to me.. The SL soldiers are so good in this act or what ??? I mean to kill for – wow !

    All of Krishna’s posting is made up and has no authenticity of where the information came from. You are the people who try to spread rumors.

    Bottom line – do not talk rubbish – it’s you who become the laughing stock.. It is dumb postings like this that indicates the rightful place for you – Mulleriyawa !!

  343. Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Yes, you are right about it .

    And let’s not worried about the Mullariyawa man

  344. Saudan and Rohan !

    Pardon me here, But Why are you not worrying about your own kind ?? I thought that you were here because of them ??

    See you post Rohan Says:
    February 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Yes, you are right about it .

    And let’s not worried about the Mullariyawa man

    Don’t do that man – you only have each other at this moment..

  345. Saudan,

    Oh Yah – the Mulleriyawa Doctors do come in the evening after work when we socialize at the clubs and pubs in Colombo. Actually they do keep us entertained by telling moe stories about what U people do.. :) !

  346. Cont.,

    The verdict

    The UN report into the video, commissioned from three independent experts, systematically rebuts most of the arguments by the Sri Lankan Government, primarily that four separate investigations by experts into the video had "scientifically established beyond any doubt that this video is a fake". The United Nation’s three experts, a forensic pathologist, an expert in forensic video analysis, and an independent expert in firearms evidence have exhaustively tested the video and audio. Predictably, Sri Lanka has dismissed this report out of hand saying its conclusions are "ambiguous".

    We broadcast the footage because we thought it vitally important for the world to see it, and because the people who were carrying out those executions needed to be brought to justice. By doing so we took responsibility for our actions, and others took great risks in encouraging us to do so. When three experts declare a tape authentic enough for it to be further investigated, the debate about the tape should be over. It’s now about justice.

    We have never questioned our judgement on airing the tape, despite the barrage of vitriol it provoked. The verdict serves as vindication of our decision and reinforcement of our journalism following months of continuous attack.

    If we get one step closer to focusing the eyes of the world on some of the atrocities that have been alleged, then it was all worth it.

    http://jdsrilanka.blogspot.com/2010/02/ben-de-pea

  347. Ben De Pear, Channel 4 News foreign editor – For Channel 4 News, last month’s verdict from the UN was the last chapter in an ongoing saga that has seen the Sri Lankan government attempt to destroy the reputation of Channel Four journalism across the globe. Of course, in some ways, the UN's conclusion the Tamil executions tape was genuine is just the beginning of what surely must be a new investigation into Sri Lanka. But for now, this is the story of the tape, and the shocking repercussions of reporting uncomfortable truths from secretive war zones.

  348. Cont.,

    The background

    Sri Lanka’s war zones are tightly controlled. And without free access, it was impossible for any investigation to take place into the final months of the war. That 26-year war officially finished on 19 June, when the Sri Lankan army defeated the LTTE or Tamil Tigers in an area the government named the "no-fire zone". In all wars there are entirely different versions of the truth, but because the Sri Lankan army effectively sealed off this area most accounts and almost all of the images of what happened there came from the warring parties.

    Despite the difficulties, we tried hard to cover Sri Lanka throughout 2009. After months of waiting we were granted visas in April, and in the month that we were in the country we went on a handful of 'facilities' with the Sri Lankan army to the north. With access severely limited, our team spent most of their time in Colombo. When we could we tried to talk to doctors and aid workers within the 'no fire zone' on mobile or satellite phones, to balance the regular and lengthy access we had to government spokespeople in Colombo.

    When we finally managed to get independent accounts from inside the camps, filmed by our own cameras, from aid workers working for international organisations alleging grave human rights abuses and appalling living conditions, we broadcast them, alongside our own footage from the Sri Lankan army, and some footage from Tamil organisations.

    We interviewed a Sri Lankan government spokesman who denied the allegations. Four days later our crew was deported from the country and we were denounced as liars on government websites and throughout the Sri Lankan press. Our first attempt to bring these allegations to light met with instant rebuttal, and indeed, exclusion from where we thought we needed to be to get closer to the truth.

  349. The tape

    We continued to cover the bloody denouement of Sri Lanka’s civil war, sending a team unaccredited to report on the aftermath of the end of the fighting. Then on the 25 August 2009 we received a video via email from a group calling itself Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka. It lasts one minute and 13 seconds and shows naked, bound men being executed with a shot to the back of the head by two men in khaki uniforms on what appears to be a dirt road. It is bookended by two executions; by the end the bodies of nine naked men lie in the wasteland.

    The accompanying letter from the JDS said it was evidence of extra judicial executions of Tamil prisoners by Sri Lankan soldiers, an allegation that had been made multiple times to us. That night after checking the bona fides of the JDS, making a series of checks with them about the provenance of the video, having the audio independently translated, asking for a reaction from the Sri Lankan High Commission in London, and having an independent human rights expert’s opinion, we ran the video on Channel 4 News.

    We aired it first so in the media world it became ours; but the real owner of the video, allegedly a Sri Lankan soldier with a mobile phone, is unknown, and probably will remain so. Perhaps morally the real owners should be the families of the unknown men shown bound and shot dead next to a muddy track, or the JDS, the organisation of exiled Sri Lankan journalists who bravely got the video to the outside world. The fact was that to us the video did not look like it had been staged, and what it showed was too important for it not to be broadcast.

    We scripted that we had no way of independently verifying the authenticity of the video, and repeated the allegations by the JDS, as being just that, allegations made by a group of exiled Sri Lankan journalists.

  350. Cont.,

    he reaction

    Very quickly we found ourselves dragged into the still unfinished business of Sri Lanka’s bitter civil war, and into the centre of an argument which involved Human rights organisations, the highest echelons of the United Nations, the American ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, and most vocally and actively the government of Sri Lanka.

    They bombarded us with emails, letters, threats of legal action, launched an internet propaganda campaign, and even organised a protest outside Channel 4’s headquarters in London, where scores of government supporters with printed placards branded Channel 4 as biased, liars, and declared we were a "Disgrace to ethical broadcasting". Meanwhile they tried to use us to track down the sources of our story, sources who received death threats.

    The Sri Lankan government called press conferences, released technical investigations (which prove, they say, that the footage was faked or doctored), and dispatched senior civil servants and politicians to London, New York and Geneva to publicly defend their position and criticise Channel 4 news. This was swiftly followed by a series of complaints lodged with the British regulator Ofcom backed by an attempt to seek anonymity so that their identity as the complainant was not disclosed to us.

    Thousands of phone calls, emails, blogs and postings have further questioned the authenticity of the video and the motivation of Channel 4 news running it. On the Channel 4 website alone, we received well over 1000 comments. Individual clips from the Channel 4 new reports were seen by over 250,000 people on separate occasions and were linked to from websites across the world. Just as many questioned the video, thousands more have called, emailed and blogged to praise us for, they say, having told the truth.

  351. Cont.,

    The verdict

    The UN report into the video, commissioned from three independent experts, systematically rebuts most of the arguments by the Sri Lankan Government, primarily that four separate investigations by experts into the video had "scientifically established beyond any doubt that this video is a fake". The United Nation’s three experts, a forensic pathologist, an expert in forensic video analysis, and an independent expert in firearms evidence have exhaustively tested the video and audio. Predictably, Sri Lanka has dismissed this report out of hand saying its conclusions are "ambiguous".

    We broadcast the footage because we thought it vitally important for the world to see it, and because the people who were carrying out those executions needed to be brought to justice. By doing so we took responsibility for our actions, and others took great risks in encouraging us to do so. When three experts declare a tape authentic enough for it to be further investigated, the debate about the tape should be over. It’s now about justice.

    We have never questioned our judgement on airing the tape, despite the barrage of vitriol it provoked. The verdict serves as vindication of our decision and reinforcement of our journalism following months of continuous attack.

    If we get one step closer to focusing the eyes of the world on some of the atrocities that have been alleged, then it was all worth it.

    http://jdsrilanka.blogspot.com/2010/02/ben-de-pea

  352. Cont.,

    The verdict

    The UN report into the video, commissioned from three independent experts, systematically rebuts most of the arguments by the Sri Lankan Government, primarily that four separate investigations by experts into the video had "scientifically established beyond any doubt that this video is a fake". The United Nation’s three experts, a forensic pathologist, an expert in forensic video analysis, and an independent expert in firearms evidence have exhaustively tested the video and audio. Predictably, Sri Lanka has dismissed this report out of hand saying its conclusions are "ambiguous".

    We broadcast the footage because we thought it vitally important for the world to see it, and because the people who were carrying out those executions needed to be brought to justice. By doing so we took responsibility for our actions, and others took great risks in encouraging us to do so. When three experts declare a tape authentic enough for it to be further investigated, the debate about the tape should be over. It’s now about justice.

    We have never questioned our judgement on airing the tape, despite the barrage of vitriol it provoked. The verdict serves as vindication of our decision and reinforcement of our journalism following months of continuous attack.

    If we get one step closer to focusing the eyes of the world on some of the atrocities that have been alleged, then it was all worth it.

    http://jdsrilanka.blogspot.com/2010/02/ben-de-pea

  353. Saudan !!

    You have taken a long time to cut and paste a whole body of a report from the website. If I had done it, I would have at last included the link only for others to view and this is the second time the same link is posted here which shows that you are not paying attention to the conversations that happen here, but on a lunatic agenda of yours. A summary would have done and the link would have saved a lot of space on the web site.

    Anyways, As below, my answer to your lengthy post is quite simple – this is the same that we have posted a few weeks ago – answer to the same post that u have made which I am positive by now that you do not have the brain capacity to read and understand. May be you will never answer the questions that I post here. I also assume that you will spend a life time trying to figure out the answers to them too – LOL – U seems to be such mental case :D

    I presume you’ve already read the disclaimer taken from Alston’s report (Tech Note Appendix).

    “Image Authentication” Version 1.0 2007.06.041, establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    It’s that annoying ‘P’ word again. Provenance. And the UN want to base an investigation with that sort of get-out clause? Alston must be delusional.

    Are the victims:
    Dissident Tamil Civilians who tried to escape the clutches of the LTTE ?
    Sinhalese peasants captured by the LTTE?
    Muslim peasants captured by the LTTE?
    SLA soldiers captured and stripped by the LTTE ?

  354. Ben De Pear, Channel 4 News foreign editor – For Channel 4 News, last month’s verdict from the UN was the last chapter in an ongoing saga that has seen the Sri Lankan government attempt to destroy the reputation of Channel Four journalism across the globe. Of course, in some ways, the UN’s conclusion the Tamil executions tape was genuine is just the beginning of what surely must be a new investigation into Sri Lanka. But for now, this is the story of the tape, and the shocking repercussions of reporting uncomfortable truths from secretive war zones.

  355. Cont.,

    The background

    Sri Lanka’s war zones are tightly controlled. And without free access, it was impossible for any investigation to take place into the final months of the war. That 26-year war officially finished on 19 June, when the Sri Lankan army defeated the LTTE or Tamil Tigers in an area the government named the “no-fire zone”. In all wars there are entirely different versions of the truth, but because the Sri Lankan army effectively sealed off this area most accounts and almost all of the images of what happened there came from the warring parties.

    Despite the difficulties, we tried hard to cover Sri Lanka throughout 2009. After months of waiting we were granted visas in April, and in the month that we were in the country we went on a handful of ‘facilities’ with the Sri Lankan army to the north. With access severely limited, our team spent most of their time in Colombo. When we could we tried to talk to doctors and aid workers within the ‘no fire zone’ on mobile or satellite phones, to balance the regular and lengthy access we had to government spokespeople in Colombo.

    When we finally managed to get independent accounts from inside the camps, filmed by our own cameras, from aid workers working for international organisations alleging grave human rights abuses and appalling living conditions, we broadcast them, alongside our own footage from the Sri Lankan army, and some footage from Tamil organisations.

    We interviewed a Sri Lankan government spokesman who denied the allegations. Four days later our crew was deported from the country and we were denounced as liars on government websites and throughout the Sri Lankan press. Our first attempt to bring these allegations to light met with instant rebuttal, and indeed, exclusion from where we thought we needed to be to get closer to the truth.

  356. The tape

    We continued to cover the bloody denouement of Sri Lanka’s civil war, sending a team unaccredited to report on the aftermath of the end of the fighting. Then on the 25 August 2009 we received a video via email from a group calling itself Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka. It lasts one minute and 13 seconds and shows naked, bound men being executed with a shot to the back of the head by two men in khaki uniforms on what appears to be a dirt road. It is bookended by two executions; by the end the bodies of nine naked men lie in the wasteland.

    The accompanying letter from the JDS said it was evidence of extra judicial executions of Tamil prisoners by Sri Lankan soldiers, an allegation that had been made multiple times to us. That night after checking the bona fides of the JDS, making a series of checks with them about the provenance of the video, having the audio independently translated, asking for a reaction from the Sri Lankan High Commission in London, and having an independent human rights expert’s opinion, we ran the video on Channel 4 News.

    We aired it first so in the media world it became ours; but the real owner of the video, allegedly a Sri Lankan soldier with a mobile phone, is unknown, and probably will remain so. Perhaps morally the real owners should be the families of the unknown men shown bound and shot dead next to a muddy track, or the JDS, the organisation of exiled Sri Lankan journalists who bravely got the video to the outside world. The fact was that to us the video did not look like it had been staged, and what it showed was too important for it not to be broadcast.

    We scripted that we had no way of independently verifying the authenticity of the video, and repeated the allegations by the JDS, as being just that, allegations made by a group of exiled Sri Lankan journalists.

  357. Cont.,

    he reaction

    Very quickly we found ourselves dragged into the still unfinished business of Sri Lanka’s bitter civil war, and into the centre of an argument which involved Human rights organisations, the highest echelons of the United Nations, the American ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, and most vocally and actively the government of Sri Lanka.

    They bombarded us with emails, letters, threats of legal action, launched an internet propaganda campaign, and even organised a protest outside Channel 4’s headquarters in London, where scores of government supporters with printed placards branded Channel 4 as biased, liars, and declared we were a “Disgrace to ethical broadcasting”. Meanwhile they tried to use us to track down the sources of our story, sources who received death threats.

    The Sri Lankan government called press conferences, released technical investigations (which prove, they say, that the footage was faked or doctored), and dispatched senior civil servants and politicians to London, New York and Geneva to publicly defend their position and criticise Channel 4 news. This was swiftly followed by a series of complaints lodged with the British regulator Ofcom backed by an attempt to seek anonymity so that their identity as the complainant was not disclosed to us.

    Thousands of phone calls, emails, blogs and postings have further questioned the authenticity of the video and the motivation of Channel 4 news running it. On the Channel 4 website alone, we received well over 1000 comments. Individual clips from the Channel 4 new reports were seen by over 250,000 people on separate occasions and were linked to from websites across the world. Just as many questioned the video, thousands more have called, emailed and blogged to praise us for, they say, having told the truth.

  358. Cont.,

    The verdict

    The UN report into the video, commissioned from three independent experts, systematically rebuts most of the arguments by the Sri Lankan Government, primarily that four separate investigations by experts into the video had “scientifically established beyond any doubt that this video is a fake”. The United Nation’s three experts, a forensic pathologist, an expert in forensic video analysis, and an independent expert in firearms evidence have exhaustively tested the video and audio. Predictably, Sri Lanka has dismissed this report out of hand saying its conclusions are “ambiguous”.

    We broadcast the footage because we thought it vitally important for the world to see it, and because the people who were carrying out those executions needed to be brought to justice. By doing so we took responsibility for our actions, and others took great risks in encouraging us to do so. When three experts declare a tape authentic enough for it to be further investigated, the debate about the tape should be over. It’s now about justice.

    We have never questioned our judgement on airing the tape, despite the barrage of vitriol it provoked. The verdict serves as vindication of our decision and reinforcement of our journalism following months of continuous attack.

    If we get one step closer to focusing the eyes of the world on some of the atrocities that have been alleged, then it was all worth it.

    http://jdsrilanka.blogspot.com/2010/02/ben-de-pear-channel-4-news-foreign.html

  359. The five posts dated Feb 5 by Savundaranayagam appear to simply be an article from another website. The purpose of this forum is for reasoned discussion of the issues raised by the original entry posted to the blog. If someone commenting wants to cite to another article in support of points being made in the comment, a link to the other article would be appropriate, as would brief quotes from the other article. It is not appropriate to simply post articles verbatim or links to articles. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment in this forum.

  360. Finally !! I thought that U had given up Jim !!

    Anyways – thanks for the "WARNING" Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

  361. Jim Pappa Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Anyways – thanks for the “WARNING” Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

    ————————————

    Look, Jim Pappa the feeling is mutual :) :) :)

  362. Saudan !!

    You have taken a long time to cut and paste a whole body of a report from the website. If I had done it, I would have at last included the link only for others to view and this is the second time the same link is posted here which shows that you are not paying attention to the conversations that happen here, but on a lunatic agenda of yours. A summary would have done and the link would have saved a lot of space on the web site.

    Anyways, As below, my answer to your lengthy post is quite simple – this is the same that we have posted a few weeks ago – answer to the same post that u have made which I am positive by now that you do not have the brain capacity to read and understand. May be you will never answer the questions that I post here. I also assume that you will spend a life time trying to figure out the answers to them too – LOL – U seems to be such mental case :D

    I presume you’ve already read the disclaimer taken from Alston’s report (Tech Note Appendix).

    “Image Authentication” Version 1.0 2007.06.041, establishing the authenticity of a disputed multimedia (video and audio) recording to a high degree of scientific certainty is highly problematic, particularly when provenance of the recording cannot be verified, as is the case with the subject of this analysis.

    It’s that annoying ‘P’ word again. Provenance. And the UN want to base an investigation with that sort of get-out clause? Alston must be delusional.

    Are the victims:
    Dissident Tamil Civilians who tried to escape the clutches of the LTTE ?
    Sinhalese peasants captured by the LTTE?
    Muslim peasants captured by the LTTE?
    SLA soldiers captured and stripped by the LTTE ?


  363. Krishna Says:
    February 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Jim Pappa Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Anyways – thanks for the “WARNING” Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

    ————————————

    Look, Jim Pappa the feeling is mutual :) :) :)

    ?????????????????????????????????????????

    U R such an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all I can say !!
    Gee – Some times I wonder as to "Why I bother" to speak to u idiots !!

    It is you who repeated U idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  364. Jim – Are you seriously fighting it out here for people like Krishna ?????

    I mean don't you see it in front of your own eyes where they are coming from ? I mean, is it really so hard to have a decent kind of a conversation here ??? Aggravation is fine with me, but stupidity ????????

  365. Yes, on a superficial reading, your comments do sounds reasonable.
    However, to me, the real danger is when someone who sounds so reasonable seeks to convey the impression that the majority's silence in the face of wholesale ethnic cleansing is a minor detail and does not equate to a tacit approval of genocide.

  366. Krishna
    Yes, on a superficial reading, the Jim Pappa’s comments do sound reasonable ?

    I beg to differ with you on this matter .

    Jim Pappa’s comments are not reasonable

    I decry many of gratuitous arrogant comments that Jim Pappa puts on display here with terrifying regularity.

    I don't come to AI to persuade anyone that I'm an intellectual who have to have a “a decent kind of a conversation” (Jim Pappa’s comment)

    I couldn't care less whether or not I'm considered an intellectual.

    To me, the measure of a person is that he or she is good fun and has integrity.

    Even my closest friends know very little about my attainments, as the only place I consider it appropriate to boast is on my CV.

    I grew up in an environment where it was considered vulgar to brag.

    I think, you are judgmental, self-righteous, patronizing, condescending , the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !

    Hardly attractive qualities in someone who, apparently, seeks to educate the rest of us

  367. Sorry Krishna, the last 2 paragraphs were for Jim Pappa !

    Jim Pappa

    Your post:

    Jim Pappa Says:
    February 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    U R such an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s all I can say !!
    Gee – Some times I wonder as to “Why I bother” to speak to u idiots !!

    It is you who repeated U idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think, you are judgmental, self-righteous, patronizing, condescending , the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !

    Hardly attractive qualities in someone who, apparently, seeks to educate the rest of us.

  368. The five posts dated Feb 5 by Savundaranayagam appear to simply be an article from another website. The purpose of this forum is for reasoned discussion of the issues raised by the original entry posted to the blog. If someone commenting wants to cite to another article in support of points being made in the comment, a link to the other article would be appropriate, as would brief quotes from the other article. It is not appropriate to simply post articles verbatim or links to articles. Please do not abuse the opportunity to comment in this forum.

  369. Finally !! I thought that U had given up Jim !!

    Anyways – thanks for the “WARNING” Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

  370. Jim Pappa Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Anyways – thanks for the “WARNING” Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

    ————————————

    Look, Jim Pappa the feeling is mutual :) :) :)


  371. Krishna Says:
    February 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Jim Pappa Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Anyways – thanks for the “WARNING” Jim – even i am getting sick and tired of repeating the same thing !!

    ————————————

    Look, Jim Pappa the feeling is mutual :) :) :)

    ?????????????????????????????????????????

    U R such an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s all I can say !!
    Gee – Some times I wonder as to “Why I bother” to speak to u idiots !!

    It is you who repeated U idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  372. Jim – Are you seriously fighting it out here for people like Krishna ?????

    I mean don’t you see it in front of your own eyes where they are coming from ? I mean, is it really so hard to have a decent kind of a conversation here ??? Aggravation is fine with me, but stupidity ????????

  373. Yes, on a superficial reading, your comments do sounds reasonable.
    However, to me, the real danger is when someone who sounds so reasonable seeks to convey the impression that the majority’s silence in the face of wholesale ethnic cleansing is a minor detail and does not equate to a tacit approval of genocide.

  374. Krishna
    Yes, on a superficial reading, the Jim Pappa’s comments do sound reasonable ?

    I beg to differ with you on this matter .

    Jim Pappa’s comments are not reasonable

    I decry many of gratuitous arrogant comments that Jim Pappa puts on display here with terrifying regularity.

    I don’t come to AI to persuade anyone that I’m an intellectual who have to have a “a decent kind of a conversation” (Jim Pappa’s comment)

    I couldn’t care less whether or not I’m considered an intellectual.

    To me, the measure of a person is that he or she is good fun and has integrity.

    Even my closest friends know very little about my attainments, as the only place I consider it appropriate to boast is on my CV.

    I grew up in an environment where it was considered vulgar to brag.

    I think, you are judgmental, self-righteous, patronizing, condescending , the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !

    Hardly attractive qualities in someone who, apparently, seeks to educate the rest of us

  375. Sorry Krishna, the last 2 paragraphs were for Jim Pappa !

    Jim Pappa

    Your post:

    Jim Pappa Says:
    February 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    U R such an idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s all I can say !!
    Gee – Some times I wonder as to “Why I bother” to speak to u idiots !!

    It is you who repeated U idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think, you are judgmental, self-righteous, patronizing, condescending , the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !

    Hardly attractive qualities in someone who, apparently, seeks to educate the rest of us.

  376. Krishna / Silva,

    Re. your last posts !!

    Haven't I posted matter in here in a calm way ?????

    What do you guys do ? If you really care about your selves and can take a few minutes off your time, Just go to the top and start reading all the posts and

    1. Count the number of times that you have repeated the same thing in so many different ways
    2. Posted stuff that are off topic
    3. The answers my self and Reductio had provided
    4. The number of times we had to repeat the same answers
    5. The questions that we asked
    6. The answers you given (0)

    Then you will know that this blog ideally should have been stopped may be max 1 month after it came in to being.

    Silva, Indeed I am judgmental and I have all the right to be. Don't tell me that you are not when you call us government agents and try to label us as right hands of Mahinda Rajapake – We are not – we are unbiased citizens of SL – not like you guys who accepted the fact of being part of the LTTE. – I am fine with it too – just the fact that you guys have supported a world renowned terrorist group that killed zillions of innocent people immaterial of any fact. I am with the government for getting rid of them and saving the innocent Tamils and the rest from them.

    hence when you say "the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !" you are mistaken from head to toe. I am never against tamils – Never – I have a load of tamil friends that I associate big time. But it is Terrorist, Separatist mentality I hate. Yes, I hate u separatists. You know why ??? Because you are trying to divide and bring down the standards of our motherland. You succeeded for close to 30 years – not any more brother !!

    Also, I am not trying to educate you – nor does Reductio – you guys have a stuck mentality and nothing could change it – as far as we are concerned you guys are brain washed by terrorists – nothing can do to change it – you guy are suicide bombers in your own way.

    Our aim is to educate the others who come and read these nonsense and get a wrong idea of the motherland we love so much. Not to pacify you.

    Krishna's comment on February 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am, when he says feeling is mutual after a repeat post by "Saudan" and me thanking Jim for "WARNING" – I mean – where does this kind of thought process come from ?? U can't be that dumb ?? At least living in the west should open your eyes – unless you guys are the kind who escaped and are living in flocks of 20-30 in the same house and still washing cloths in public and hanging in the balcony for the whole world to see – then talk only with people in your community etc…

  377. Krishna / Silva,

    Re. your last posts !!

    Haven’t I posted matter in here in a calm way ?????

    What do you guys do ? If you really care about your selves and can take a few minutes off your time, Just go to the top and start reading all the posts and

    1. Count the number of times that you have repeated the same thing in so many different ways
    2. Posted stuff that are off topic
    3. The answers my self and Reductio had provided
    4. The number of times we had to repeat the same answers
    5. The questions that we asked
    6. The answers you given (0)

    Then you will know that this blog ideally should have been stopped may be max 1 month after it came in to being.

    Silva, Indeed I am judgmental and I have all the right to be. Don’t tell me that you are not when you call us government agents and try to label us as right hands of Mahinda Rajapake – We are not – we are unbiased citizens of SL – not like you guys who accepted the fact of being part of the LTTE. – I am fine with it too – just the fact that you guys have supported a world renowned terrorist group that killed zillions of innocent people immaterial of any fact. I am with the government for getting rid of them and saving the innocent Tamils and the rest from them.

    hence when you say “the very qualities which you appear to attribute to the Pro-Tamil Bloggers !” you are mistaken from head to toe. I am never against tamils – Never – I have a load of tamil friends that I associate big time. But it is Terrorist, Separatist mentality I hate. Yes, I hate u separatists. You know why ??? Because you are trying to divide and bring down the standards of our motherland. You succeeded for close to 30 years – not any more brother !!

    Also, I am not trying to educate you – nor does Reductio – you guys have a stuck mentality and nothing could change it – as far as we are concerned you guys are brain washed by terrorists – nothing can do to change it – you guy are suicide bombers in your own way.

    Our aim is to educate the others who come and read these nonsense and get a wrong idea of the motherland we love so much. Not to pacify you.

    Krishna’s comment on February 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am, when he says feeling is mutual after a repeat post by “Saudan” and me thanking Jim for “WARNING” – I mean – where does this kind of thought process come from ?? U can’t be that dumb ?? At least living in the west should open your eyes – unless you guys are the kind who escaped and are living in flocks of 20-30 in the same house and still washing cloths in public and hanging in the balcony for the whole world to see – then talk only with people in your community etc…

  378. Jim Pappa !

    You have every right to say that some Tamils’ arguments are wrong and point out why, but you never do, you always come up with irrational add ons instead..such as, I must be wrong because some Propagandists here think I am biased.

    That is not rational argument :) :) :)

    Don't take people's intelligence for granted.

  379. Pol Athu Kovil !!

    Re. your post 6th feb 3.10 am,

    I quite don't understand what you are saying here.

    I am not against Tamil people, but totally against LTTE terrorists. Hence, I am not quite sure what u mean when U say that I have the right to say that "Tamil's" arguments are wrong, but never do and what do u mean when u say come up with add on 's ?? What propagandist R U talking of and who is biased ??? I don't recall me saying anything like that…

    If U are referring to my previous post, I kindly request you to check the questions I have posted, then go to the top of this blog read from top to bottom while trying to answer the questions – then you will some into relisation the idea behind the whole post. What U probably have done is read my post and written down some stuff that does not make any sense to any of us…

  380. Jim Pappa

    This forum is literally a " gladiator’s arena " or platform to vent and discuss the ethnic grievances in a peaceful and sometimes heated way.

    In reality I don't really hold any extreme views.

    If you read what I posted over the months

    I have hinted at this.

    Anyway I realize Jim Pappa admonished me all those monthts ago but it's all a question of how much respect you have for your fellow human on the inside and I can comfortably say that I respect sinhalese equally to my fellow Tamils.

    Your message, that you, the gov't of sri lanka and the sinhalese propagate to the outside world is that tamils are living in harmony with the sinhalese .

    Really do you represent the theTamils?

    Did you go and ask the Tamils in the concentration camps or the prisons whether they are happy?

    Did they hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?

    I am sure if such a referendum is held, Tamils won't agree to anything sort of federalism.

  381. Jim Pappa !

    You have every right to say that some Tamils’ arguments are wrong and point out why, but you never do, you always come up with irrational add ons instead..such as, I must be wrong because some Propagandists here think I am biased.

    That is not rational argument :) :) :)

    Don’t take people’s intelligence for granted.

  382. Pol Athu Kovil !!

    Re. your post 6th feb 3.10 am,

    I quite don’t understand what you are saying here.

    I am not against Tamil people, but totally against LTTE terrorists. Hence, I am not quite sure what u mean when U say that I have the right to say that “Tamil’s” arguments are wrong, but never do and what do u mean when u say come up with add on ‘s ?? What propagandist R U talking of and who is biased ??? I don’t recall me saying anything like that…

    If U are referring to my previous post, I kindly request you to check the questions I have posted, then go to the top of this blog read from top to bottom while trying to answer the questions – then you will some into relisation the idea behind the whole post. What U probably have done is read my post and written down some stuff that does not make any sense to any of us…

  383. Jim Pappa

    This forum is literally a ” gladiator’s arena ” or platform to vent and discuss the ethnic grievances in a peaceful and sometimes heated way.

    In reality I don’t really hold any extreme views.

    If you read what I posted over the months

    I have hinted at this.

    Anyway I realize Jim Pappa admonished me all those monthts ago but it’s all a question of how much respect you have for your fellow human on the inside and I can comfortably say that I respect sinhalese equally to my fellow Tamils.

    Your message, that you, the gov’t of sri lanka and the sinhalese propagate to the outside world is that tamils are living in harmony with the sinhalese .

    Really do you represent the theTamils?

    Did you go and ask the Tamils in the concentration camps or the prisons whether they are happy?

    Did they hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?

    I am sure if such a referendum is held, Tamils won’t agree to anything sort of federalism.

  384. Silva,

    Re. your post February 6th, 2010 at 4:37 am, I seriously wonder whether it is Mawathe Silva or Polawa Yata (Underground) Silva. I am astonished to see your comment "Your message, that you, the gov’t of sri lanka and the sinhalese propagate to the outside world is that tamils are living in harmony with the sinhalese .

    How can you even say that ??????????????????????????

    Of course they are and though you are living in another country I know that you guys know this too………… We live among them. Specially being in Colombo which has an excellent mix of all ethnic groups – obviously yes. We don't pretend to love our fellow Sri Lankan Brotheren, but we do showcase it too.

    It is you guys who live the lie and try to show to the whole world that it's not. I remember when I was in Switzerland a few months back with my best friend who is a Tamil (Engineer) and how a restaurant owner reacted when he realised that a Tamil and a Singhales are having a meal together instead of killing each other – now this is the mentality you guys (as you accepted sometime back – the LTTE diaspora) have spread across the world. We both had a good laugh and educated the Bar owner that it was a lunatics Idea to separate this great nation. So may I ask you to stop lying ?????

    This forum is literally a ” gladiator’s arena ” or platform to vent and discuss the ethnic grievances in a peaceful and sometimes heated way.

    If you want to look at this as a gladiators arena, I wish to see a Maximus not papadam pieces who cannot argue or most important "Answer Questions" posted by 2 individuals who are opposing you. Also, there is no ethnic grievances discussed here – hell not me – I am not here to discuss any ethnic issue - so please get rid of that misconception. I am here to fight out a battle with the few remains of a Mentally challenged Terrorist group spreading lies.

    In reality I don’t really hold any extreme views.

    If you read what I posted over the months

    I have hinted at this.

    U don't hold extreme views ????? U support them and admit the same – supporting LTTE ideas is being extreme – U think Terrorist groups like Taliban are not extreme ?? LTTE was in the same boat too… Indeed, the posts you have made had more than hinted your mentality. What did U eat this morning ? R U having a tummy ache or is this the way you behave normally ???

    Anyway I realize Jim Pappa admonished me all those monthts ago but it’s all a question of how much respect you have for your fellow human on the inside and I can comfortably say that I respect sinhalese equally to my fellow Tamils.

    I did not or even try to admonish you or your fellow LTTEers, I tried to demolish you and Reductio basically slaughterd you (Literally). Respect is something you earn and it wont come to you because you are human. You need to first prove your self to be a human – Terrorists don't belong to the category of Human and so shall not get the respect that a human deserves. I would respect an animal more that you terrorists. And don't you try to drag my fellow Sri Lankan tamil brotheren to your Terrorist acts They are not Terrorists. They are good human beings who are well respected for who they are and what they do. Not Terrorist acts like you or that of you support – I don't know about others, but, do not intend to get my respect for you guys at any time – you are terrorists who killed my fellow citizens immaterial of Ethnicity, Religion or Age.

    Really do you represent the the Tamils?

    I represent Sri Lankans, which obviously include Tamils.

    Did you go and ask the Tamils in the concentration camps or the prisons whether they are happy? No they are not obviously happy and majority blame you for putting them in that condition. They were living decent lives and were happy until your lunacy started killing all those who opposed your ideas – remember it started with you killing Mr. Doraiappa – a Tamil himself – So I think it is my right to ask whether DO You represent the Tamils ????? if so why kill other Tamils who opposed you including the wonderful Lakshman K and Neelan T ?? My heart cry for them still, but yours not I know – U murdered them.

    Did they hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?
    Did this subject ever come up ??? Why couldn't you terrorists ask for a referendum than take guns and kill innocent people then ????? Answer me here…

    A referendum will always be there to figure out what's best for the whole nation.

    I am sure if such a referendum is held, Tamils won’t agree to anything sort of federalism.

    This obviously is your thought and you indeed will have a few other Terrorist left over pieces to support you – but those who are left in Sri Lanka do not think that way.. ….

    Answer the questions we posted if you are the Gladiator you wish to be – if not get slaughtered as usual… !

  385. Silva,

    Re. your post February 6th, 2010 at 4:37 am, I seriously wonder whether it is Mawathe Silva or Polawa Yata (Underground) Silva. I am astonished to see your comment “Your message, that you, the gov’t of sri lanka and the sinhalese propagate to the outside world is that tamils are living in harmony with the sinhalese .

    How can you even say that ??????????????????????????

    Of course they are and though you are living in another country I know that you guys know this too………… We live among them. Specially being in Colombo which has an excellent mix of all ethnic groups – obviously yes. We don’t pretend to love our fellow Sri Lankan Brotheren, but we do showcase it too.

    It is you guys who live the lie and try to show to the whole world that it’s not. I remember when I was in Switzerland a few months back with my best friend who is a Tamil (Engineer) and how a restaurant owner reacted when he realised that a Tamil and a Singhales are having a meal together instead of killing each other – now this is the mentality you guys (as you accepted sometime back – the LTTE diaspora) have spread across the world. We both had a good laugh and educated the Bar owner that it was a lunatics Idea to separate this great nation. So may I ask you to stop lying ?????

    This forum is literally a ” gladiator’s arena ” or platform to vent and discuss the ethnic grievances in a peaceful and sometimes heated way.

    If you want to look at this as a gladiators arena, I wish to see a Maximus not papadam pieces who cannot argue or most important “Answer Questions” posted by 2 individuals who are opposing you. Also, there is no ethnic grievances discussed here – hell not me – I am not here to discuss any ethnic issue - so please get rid of that misconception. I am here to fight out a battle with the few remains of a Mentally challenged Terrorist group spreading lies.

    In reality I don’t really hold any extreme views.

    If you read what I posted over the months

    I have hinted at this.

    U don’t hold extreme views ????? U support them and admit the same – supporting LTTE ideas is being extreme – U think Terrorist groups like Taliban are not extreme ?? LTTE was in the same boat too… Indeed, the posts you have made had more than hinted your mentality. What did U eat this morning ? R U having a tummy ache or is this the way you behave normally ???

    Anyway I realize Jim Pappa admonished me all those monthts ago but it’s all a question of how much respect you have for your fellow human on the inside and I can comfortably say that I respect sinhalese equally to my fellow Tamils.

    I did not or even try to admonish you or your fellow LTTEers, I tried to demolish you and Reductio basically slaughterd you (Literally). Respect is something you earn and it wont come to you because you are human. You need to first prove your self to be a human – Terrorists don’t belong to the category of Human and so shall not get the respect that a human deserves. I would respect an animal more that you terrorists. And don’t you try to drag my fellow Sri Lankan tamil brotheren to your Terrorist acts They are not Terrorists. They are good human beings who are well respected for who they are and what they do. Not Terrorist acts like you or that of you support – I don’t know about others, but, do not intend to get my respect for you guys at any time – you are terrorists who killed my fellow citizens immaterial of Ethnicity, Religion or Age.

    Really do you represent the the Tamils?

    I represent Sri Lankans, which obviously include Tamils.

    Did you go and ask the Tamils in the concentration camps or the prisons whether they are happy? No they are not obviously happy and majority blame you for putting them in that condition. They were living decent lives and were happy until your lunacy started killing all those who opposed your ideas – remember it started with you killing Mr. Doraiappa – a Tamil himself – So I think it is my right to ask whether DO You represent the Tamils ????? if so why kill other Tamils who opposed you including the wonderful Lakshman K and Neelan T ?? My heart cry for them still, but yours not I know – U murdered them.

    Did they hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?
    Did this subject ever come up ??? Why couldn’t you terrorists ask for a referendum than take guns and kill innocent people then ????? Answer me here…

    A referendum will always be there to figure out what’s best for the whole nation.

    I am sure if such a referendum is held, Tamils won’t agree to anything sort of federalism.

    This obviously is your thought and you indeed will have a few other Terrorist left over pieces to support you – but those who are left in Sri Lanka do not think that way.. ….

    Answer the questions we posted if you are the Gladiator you wish to be – if not get slaughtered as usual… !

  386. OMG !!!!

    Jim Pappa you are working over time. :)

    Your bonus- check for this kind of verbal diarrhea is in the mail

    First of all – this is a complete misrepresentation of the point I made.

    I ‘m here to challenge your bias and I find your attitude as insufferable.

    You , usually ,ask the most wide open questions that are impossible to answer in the way you obviously wish.

    It would all depend on the context as to whether I would be critical or not.

    Most of the time you are not rational and your grand delusions are sad , really :( :( :(

  387. Dear Dungeon Silva !!

    Indeed I would prefer to work for my overtime check than go point a gun to one of my fellow citizen and demand they pay me ransom or die like you Terrorists do. :)

    Your short and vomit(ish) write up indeed explains how much of dirt you have eaten for you to not only get Diarrhea , but other diseases that has numbed your debating powers. This includes the Psychological condition I have been bragging about and now you just helped me prove it.

    I am astonished that you have the guts to say without a shame that I , usually ,ask the most wide open questions that are impossible to answer in the way I obviously wish – Do U seriously walk the streets wearing cloths ?? Such a shameful terrorist like you – sheee – I am loosing the respect I have for the fearless terrorists also… You LTTE idiots put Terrorists of the nature of Bin Laden to shame. You can answer the question DO You represent the Tamils ????? if so why kill other Tamils who opposed you including the wonderful Lakshman K and Neelan T ?? – LOL……… Do I put you in difficulty by asking such questions ???? Have me or Reductio ever said that you put us in difficulty by asking questions you pussy ?????????????? Shame on you and most important, you put shame to the wonderful and brave Tamil people by saying you represent them – they will spit on you you mentally challenged idiot !!!!!!!!!!!! Ask us wide open questions if you can to see whether your idiotic brain could at least cook up something like that.

    U are trying to prove me Biase ?? You idiot any intelligent being readin this post would see from the beginning that my self and Reductio stand for the people of Sri Lanka immaterial of ethnicity, it is you mentally challenged idiots who try to single out a ethnic group. Try your luck at your mental assylum and not at a place where intelligent people converse.

    If you think the above answer you gave on my questions to you as "Rational" I have got another point to prove that you are mentally sick – I see the rational behind your answer you sick bastard. It is you who are delusional – and what's sad is that you are dragging a few others in to it as well.

    As we always said, you have a different agenda and that's not our Tamil Brotheren's agenda – hence I curse you to die and leave my fellow brotheren alone !!! – DIE !!!

  388. OMG !!!!

    Jim Pappa you are working over time. :)

    Your bonus- check for this kind of verbal diarrhea is in the mail

    First of all – this is a complete misrepresentation of the point I made.

    I ‘m here to challenge your bias and I find your attitude as insufferable.

    You , usually ,ask the most wide open questions that are impossible to answer in the way you obviously wish.

    It would all depend on the context as to whether I would be critical or not.

    Most of the time you are not rational and your grand delusions are sad , really :( :( :(

  389. Vannakam Mawatham Machan,

    Are you the new upgraded post-Eelam, version 2.0 of Mawatha Silva?

    Your claim not to hold any 'extreme views' is so funny, were it not so easily undermined.

    The IDP camps are NOT 'concentration camps'. Your casual use of the term merely confirms what we all know about supporters of Eelam. That they lie about large and small matters. In fact their lies often make the SL govt appear to honest truth tellers.

    Tell us where in SL you think a mythical 'Tamil Homeland' should be established. You never managed to provide an answer to that simple question. I wonder why?

    You don't even have the courage to admit that you supported the LTTE. As I've written many times, I respect the fallen LTTE cadres. At least they were honest in killing and dying for their their perverted racist cause. The expatriate LTTE supporters can't even be honest about their support for the LTTE's aims and objectives.

    The 'ethnic grievances' you refer to are most frequently demonstrated and shown by LTTE supporters. E.g. your question of "hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?" perfectly illustrates my point about 'ethnic grievance'.

    Are referendums held in East London to 'what Tamils want' ?

    Oops. Sorry, recently a thoroughly racist referendum was held in the UK which perfectly exposed the racist and exclusive nature of the Eelam struggle.

    To be eligible to vote, the following conditions had to be fulfilled:
    a) Born in Sri Lanka and has Tamil as the mother tongue.
    b) Has a spouse who was born in Sri Lanka and has Tamil as the mother tongue.
    c) Descendants of (a) and (b) born outside Sri Lanka

    I protest! This is 'Language Genocide'. The ability to vote depends on linguistic ability and is thus discriminatory.

    What about the Veddhas (aboriginal inhabitants of Sri Lanka) who live in the claimed areas, yet don't speak Tamil? Why should their future be determined by a bunch of racist exiles living in another part of the world?

    How do you prove that Tamil is your mother tongue, as opposed to Sinhala or English? Suppose all these languages are your mother tongue?

    Your new found obsession with referendums and voting is most encouraging.

    How many referenda and/or free votes were held to determine if the LTTE should be 'sole representatives' of the Tamils of SL?

  390. Dear Dungeon Silva !!

    Indeed I would prefer to work for my overtime check than go point a gun to one of my fellow citizen and demand they pay me ransom or die like you Terrorists do. :)

    Your short and vomit(ish) write up indeed explains how much of dirt you have eaten for you to not only get Diarrhea , but other diseases that has numbed your debating powers. This includes the Psychological condition I have been bragging about and now you just helped me prove it.

    I am astonished that you have the guts to say without a shame that I , usually ,ask the most wide open questions that are impossible to answer in the way I obviously wish – Do U seriously walk the streets wearing cloths ?? Such a shameful terrorist like you – sheee – I am loosing the respect I have for the fearless terrorists also… You LTTE idiots put Terrorists of the nature of Bin Laden to shame. You can answer the question DO You represent the Tamils ????? if so why kill other Tamils who opposed you including the wonderful Lakshman K and Neelan T ?? – LOL……… Do I put you in difficulty by asking such questions ???? Have me or Reductio ever said that you put us in difficulty by asking questions you pussy ?????????????? Shame on you and most important, you put shame to the wonderful and brave Tamil people by saying you represent them – they will spit on you you mentally challenged idiot !!!!!!!!!!!! Ask us wide open questions if you can to see whether your idiotic brain could at least cook up something like that.

    U are trying to prove me Biase ?? You idiot any intelligent being readin this post would see from the beginning that my self and Reductio stand for the people of Sri Lanka immaterial of ethnicity, it is you mentally challenged idiots who try to single out a ethnic group. Try your luck at your mental assylum and not at a place where intelligent people converse.

    If you think the above answer you gave on my questions to you as “Rational” I have got another point to prove that you are mentally sick – I see the rational behind your answer you sick bastard. It is you who are delusional – and what’s sad is that you are dragging a few others in to it as well.

    As we always said, you have a different agenda and that’s not our Tamil Brotheren’s agenda – hence I curse you to die and leave my fellow brotheren alone !!! – DIE !!!

  391. Vannakam Mawatham Machan,

    Are you the new upgraded post-Eelam, version 2.0 of Mawatha Silva?

    Your claim not to hold any ‘extreme views’ is so funny, were it not so easily undermined.

    The IDP camps are NOT ‘concentration camps’. Your casual use of the term merely confirms what we all know about supporters of Eelam. That they lie about large and small matters. In fact their lies often make the SL govt appear to honest truth tellers.

    Tell us where in SL you think a mythical ‘Tamil Homeland’ should be established. You never managed to provide an answer to that simple question. I wonder why?

    You don’t even have the courage to admit that you supported the LTTE. As I’ve written many times, I respect the fallen LTTE cadres. At least they were honest in killing and dying for their their perverted racist cause. The expatriate LTTE supporters can’t even be honest about their support for the LTTE’s aims and objectives.

    The ‘ethnic grievances’ you refer to are most frequently demonstrated and shown by LTTE supporters. E.g. your question of “hold a referendum on what the Tamils want?” perfectly illustrates my point about ‘ethnic grievance’.

    Are referendums held in East London to ‘what Tamils want’ ?

    Oops. Sorry, recently a thoroughly racist referendum was held in the UK which perfectly exposed the racist and exclusive nature of the Eelam struggle.

    To be eligible to vote, the following conditions had to be fulfilled:
    a) Born in Sri Lanka and has Tamil as the mother tongue.
    b) Has a spouse who was born in Sri Lanka and has Tamil as the mother tongue.
    c) Descendants of (a) and (b) born outside Sri Lanka

    I protest! This is ‘Language Genocide’. The ability to vote depends on linguistic ability and is thus discriminatory.

    What about the Veddhas (aboriginal inhabitants of Sri Lanka) who live in the claimed areas, yet don’t speak Tamil? Why should their future be determined by a bunch of racist exiles living in another part of the world?

    How do you prove that Tamil is your mother tongue, as opposed to Sinhala or English? Suppose all these languages are your mother tongue?

    Your new found obsession with referendums and voting is most encouraging.

    How many referenda and/or free votes were held to determine if the LTTE should be ‘sole representatives’ of the Tamils of SL?

  392. I’m greatful that this anonymous AI forum do let us talk about things we can't talk say face to face.

    Reductio ad Absurdum seems to be oblivious to the excruciating torment of my fellow Tamils in Sri Lanka. How can you laugh at the Genocide of the Tamils ?

    Around 20 000 Tamils could be dead.

    108 000 in the concentration camp and 140 000 in many mini –concentration camps . So total is 248 000.

    How can I be positive or feel proud about Sri Lanka?

    You may not like Mawatha Silva but he brought out the Sri Lankan Propagandists’ hypocrisy.

    You tolerate the non-sense from the likes of Jim Pappa and when Mawatha Silva offers any type of response, you jump into criticizing.

    Almost always you tend to put GoSL as innocent, when Pro-Tamils voice their opinions suddenly it all becomes hatred, lies and Genocide which you always describe in comical sense

  393. Ayubowan Reductio ad Absurdum !

    It was a breath of fresh air, not having here Rotten Fruits and Absurdums.

    And now, after reading your post, I’m a bit surprised .

    Honestly Reductio ad Absurdum , I worry about your reasoning abilities.

    Why are you committing such poor reckoning skills when the truth is staring at your face.. plain and simple?

    I Hope you can clarify your constant humiliation of the Tamil people.

    Why do you do this ?

    A pure entertainment or/and sadistic pleasure ?

    You are entitled to say anything but your odium for a whole Tamil Minority group is not amusing .

    I understand your views on the Tamils are seen from your perspective.

    I do not agree with your analysis just as I do not agree with Jim Pappa's rants about the Tamils

    ——————————–

    “Oops. Sorry, recently a thoroughly racist referendum was held in the UK which perfectly exposed the racist and exclusive nature of the Eelam struggle”

    “racist referendum”

    It hits me like a ton of bricks.

    Why is it racist ?

    The Sri Lankan Constitution allows an autonomy to the country’s provinces.

    Any way I do not hide the fact that I loathe the Sri Lankan government and what is still happening to Tamils in the North and East.

    I , also have strong opinions as to what should happen now and just because that does not concur with your opinion as well Jim Pappa’s does not make me a LTTE supporter.

    A new thinking outside the box is called for. :)

  394. Vannakam Mawatham,

    I defy you to point out one word or sentence where I have expressed any negative emotion towards any group of people anywhere, except for LTTE terrorists. Tamil are not LTTE terrorists. Its an easy mistake to make. I can distinguish between them, can you?

    Where have I 'humiliated' Tamil people? My disdain is reserved for supporters of LTTE terrorism and racist separatism, whether they're Tamils, Sinhalese or Europeans. It's quite simple, really.

    Here's a recent video I found quite inspiring. It's a paen to the Yal Devi train which (as you know) used to connect Jaffna to the rest of the country. Just listen to the station names, the cries of the food hawkers, the voices of people ('don't push', 'hurry up' etc) on the train journeys.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR6eJ87zfo&fe

    And best of all, no longer do we have to fear LTTE train bombs.

    Your loathing of the SL govt may have more credibility if you were to express express equal or greater loathing of the LTTE for what they did to all people in SL.

    Your writing here and elsewhere (e.g. Guardian Comments pages) is solid proof of your support for the LTTE and its failed project of ethnic separatism.

  395. I’m greatful that this anonymous AI forum do let us talk about things we can’t talk say face to face.

    Reductio ad Absurdum seems to be oblivious to the excruciating torment of my fellow Tamils in Sri Lanka. How can you laugh at the Genocide of the Tamils ?

    Around 20 000 Tamils could be dead.

    108 000 in the concentration camp and 140 000 in many mini –concentration camps . So total is 248 000.

    How can I be positive or feel proud about Sri Lanka?

    You may not like Mawatha Silva but he brought out the Sri Lankan Propagandists’ hypocrisy.

    You tolerate the non-sense from the likes of Jim Pappa and when Mawatha Silva offers any type of response, you jump into criticizing.

    Almost always you tend to put GoSL as innocent, when Pro-Tamils voice their opinions suddenly it all becomes hatred, lies and Genocide which you always describe in comical sense

  396. Vannakam Mawatham,

    I defy you to point out one word or sentence where I have expressed any negative emotion towards any group of people anywhere, except for LTTE terrorists. Tamil are not LTTE terrorists. Its an easy mistake to make. I can distinguish between them, can you?

    Where have I 'humiliated' Tamil people? My disdain is reserved for supporters of LTTE terrorism and racist separatism, whether they're Tamils, Sinhalese or Europeans. It's quite simple, really.

    Here's a recent video I found quite inspiring. It's a paen to the Yal Devi train which (as you know) used to connect Jaffna to the rest of the country. Just listen to the station names, the cries of the food hawkers, the voices of people ('don't push', 'hurry up' etc) on the train journeys.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR6eJ87zfo&fe

    And best of all, no longer do we have to fear LTTE train bombs.

    Your loathing of the SL govt may have more credibility if you were to express express equal or greater loathing of the LTTE for what they did to all people in SL.

    Your writing here and elsewhere (e.g. Guardian Comments pages) is solid proof of your support for the LTTE and its failed project of ethnic separatism.

  397. Vannakam Mawatham,

    I defy you to point out one word or sentence where I have expressed any negative emotion towards any group of people anywhere, except for LTTE terrorists. Tamil are not LTTE terrorists. Its an easy mistake to make. I can distinguish between them, can you?

    Where have I 'humiliated' Tamil people? My disdain is reserved for supporters of LTTE terrorism and racist separatism, whether they're Tamils, Sinhalese or Europeans. It's quite simple, really.

    Here's a recent video I found quite inspiring. It's a paen to the Yal Devi train which (as you know) used to connect Jaffna to the rest of the country. Just listen to the station names, the cries of the food hawkers, the voices of people ('don't push', 'hurry up' etc) on the train journeys.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR6eJ87zfo&fe

    And best of all, no longer do we have to fear LTTE train bombs.

    Your loathing of the SL govt may have more credibility if you were to express express equal or greater loathing of the LTTE for what they did to all people in SL.

    Your writing here and elsewhere (e.g. Guardian Comments pages) is solid proof of your support for the LTTE and its failed project of ethnic separatism.

  398. Ayubowan Reductio ad Absurdum !

    It was a breath of fresh air, not having here Rotten Fruits and Absurdums.

    And now, after reading your post, I’m a bit surprised .

    Honestly Reductio ad Absurdum , I worry about your reasoning abilities.

    Why are you committing such poor reckoning skills when the truth is staring at your face.. plain and simple?

    I Hope you can clarify your constant humiliation of the Tamil people.

    Why do you do this ?

    A pure entertainment or/and sadistic pleasure ?

    You are entitled to say anything but your odium for a whole Tamil Minority group is not amusing .

    I understand your views on the Tamils are seen from your perspective.

    I do not agree with your analysis just as I do not agree with Jim Pappa’s rants about the Tamils

    ——————————–

    “Oops. Sorry, recently a thoroughly racist referendum was held in the UK which perfectly exposed the racist and exclusive nature of the Eelam struggle”

    “racist referendum”

    It hits me like a ton of bricks.

    Why is it racist ?

    The Sri Lankan Constitution allows an autonomy to the country’s provinces.

    Any way I do not hide the fact that I loathe the Sri Lankan government and what is still happening to Tamils in the North and East.

    I , also have strong opinions as to what should happen now and just because that does not concur with your opinion as well Jim Pappa’s does not make me a LTTE supporter.

    A new thinking outside the box is called for. :)

  399. Reductio !

    Seriously, these people are talking form their Anal openings than from mouths !!!

    What more do we have to say about a Cursed Terrorist who cannot answer the question as to Why they killed fellow Tamils ???????

    If these idiots can't understand when we say that we stand for Sri Lanka and continue brag about some Ethnic issue that they have mentally created what can we do ??

    They question the rationality behind our posts when we answer questions, but never seem to answer any of our questions – what more can we say ???

    Most of the posts here are baseless and off topic – again – what can we do ??

    Actually, I remember Mawatha and another person openly accepting the fact that they were LTTE supporters in some other forum, unfortunately I cannot track it down, may be Jim could as he is the moderator. This is the reason I call him LTTE – meaning a Mentally challenged terrorist.

    Also imagine how stupid this guy Ganesh is !! He says that this is an anonymous blog site when the whole world knows that it is done by Jim MD of Amnesty International – USA branch.

    Also look at the Shallowness in answering the post regarding referendum by Dungeon Silva ? – I mean a laugh out matter ha ???

    All this re-confirms that we are either arguing with a serious bunch of Idiots or a serious bunch of lairs. I hope that it is the second for our own good :D

    LTTE are the only people who try to single out Tamils as a race and talk of a homeland. Even TNA talks of rights of Tamils in a different tone and recently, the dropped the idea of the Homeland concept saying that it was a myth created by the LTTE (Yes Sampanthan said it).

    Also Ganesh is still talking about a Concentration camp in a forum meat to talk of the video. He alsotalks of a Genocide when all Sri Lankans have got together and have started developing the country. This shows their intellect levels and lack of finding proper facts to debate with us. If they really want to, there indeed are facts that they could being up that we actually could talk out in a different tone – not to the extent of me getting disgusted to curse them to die… I really mean it – these guys are not here for any reason but mentality of Terrorism and separatism. They really should die and let the innocent Sri Lankan citizens live alone.

  400. Note to Ganesh !

    You have said

    "I’m greatful that this anonymous AI forum do let us talk about things we can’t talk say face to face.

    Though I do not agree that this forum is Anonymous as I know for a fact that is from Amnestry International – USA, I can definitely arrange for you to meet face to face and discuss. We can even have Amnesty as a mediator and if necessary distribute the debate to the world media. I am up for it. Are you ???? Let's make it easy – shall we make it an Internet based debate ????? U can stay where ever U are, I will obviously be in SL and we can give the feed out. – Let me know and hope you will not chicken out.

  401. Vannakam Mawatham,

    I defy you to point out one word or sentence where I have expressed any negative emotion towards any group of people anywhere, except for LTTE terrorists. Tamil are not LTTE terrorists. Its an easy mistake to make. I can distinguish between them, can you?

    Where have I ‘humiliated’ Tamil people? My disdain is reserved for supporters of LTTE terrorism and racist separatism, whether they’re Tamils, Sinhalese or Europeans. It’s quite simple, really.

    Here’s a recent video I found quite inspiring. It’s a paen to the Yal Devi train which (as you know) used to connect Jaffna to the rest of the country. Just listen to the station names, the cries of the food hawkers, the voices of people (‘don’t push’, ‘hurry up’ etc) on the train journeys.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR6eJ87zfo&feature=related

    And best of all, no longer do we have to fear LTTE train bombs.

    Your loathing of the SL govt may have more credibility if you were to express express equal or greater loathing of the LTTE for what they did to all people in SL.

    Your writing here and elsewhere (e.g. Guardian Comments pages) is solid proof of your support for the LTTE and its failed project of ethnic separatism.

  402. Reductio !

    Seriously, these people are talking form their Anal openings than from mouths !!!

    What more do we have to say about a Cursed Terrorist who cannot answer the question as to Why they killed fellow Tamils ???????

    If these idiots can’t understand when we say that we stand for Sri Lanka and continue brag about some Ethnic issue that they have mentally created what can we do ??

    They question the rationality behind our posts when we answer questions, but never seem to answer any of our questions – what more can we say ???

    Most of the posts here are baseless and off topic – again – what can we do ??

    Actually, I remember Mawatha and another person openly accepting the fact that they were LTTE supporters in some other forum, unfortunately I cannot track it down, may be Jim could as he is the moderator. This is the reason I call him LTTE – meaning a Mentally challenged terrorist.

    Also imagine how stupid this guy Ganesh is !! He says that this is an anonymous blog site when the whole world knows that it is done by Jim MD of Amnesty International – USA branch.

    Also look at the Shallowness in answering the post regarding referendum by Dungeon Silva ? – I mean a laugh out matter ha ???

    All this re-confirms that we are either arguing with a serious bunch of Idiots or a serious bunch of lairs. I hope that it is the second for our own good :D

    LTTE are the only people who try to single out Tamils as a race and talk of a homeland. Even TNA talks of rights of Tamils in a different tone and recently, the dropped the idea of the Homeland concept saying that it was a myth created by the LTTE (Yes Sampanthan said it).

    Also Ganesh is still talking about a Concentration camp in a forum meat to talk of the video. He alsotalks of a Genocide when all Sri Lankans have got together and have started developing the country. This shows their intellect levels and lack of finding proper facts to debate with us. If they really want to, there indeed are facts that they could being up that we actually could talk out in a different tone – not to the extent of me getting disgusted to curse them to die… I really mean it – these guys are not here for any reason but mentality of Terrorism and separatism. They really should die and let the innocent Sri Lankan citizens live alone.

  403. Note to Ganesh !

    You have said

    “I’m greatful that this anonymous AI forum do let us talk about things we can’t talk say face to face.

    Though I do not agree that this forum is Anonymous as I know for a fact that is from Amnestry International – USA, I can definitely arrange for you to meet face to face and discuss. We can even have Amnesty as a mediator and if necessary distribute the debate to the world media. I am up for it. Are you ???? Let’s make it easy – shall we make it an Internet based debate ????? U can stay where ever U are, I will obviously be in SL and we can give the feed out. – Let me know and hope you will not chicken out.

  404. Moda Rohan !!

    A country is an independent entity and has their own rights. UN is a world body that is more a less a guidance force. It will be up to the individual country to agree or oppose what's put forward. Like what the USA does in most cases.

    We still want to come in to some kind of a political settlement – if there was a investigation, more of your terrorists will get charged with war crimes – it is the LTTE that did all the war crimes !!

  405. Reductio ad Absurdum

    The Sinhalese have no fear to take the trains ?

    They are peacefully travelling with happy smiles while 400 000 Tamils are suffering and not resettled yet as promised by King Mahinda on 31 of January !!!!

    248 000 Tamils are still in the concentration camps and starving !!!

    Then Sri Lanka committed mass murder of the incalculable amounts of the innocent Tamil civilians…then Sri Lankan President Mahinda said not one was killed!!!

    I don’t see the bereaved relatives of the slaughtered as happy !!

    —————–
    Jim Pappa !

    I strongly suspect , you are well-known resident in the Mulleriyawa.

    Have you heard of the intimidation of the Sri Lankan media ?

    People who voice their opinion , contrary to the official one , are ended up dead or imprison !!

    I think, no democratic country can kill journalists like Sri Lanka does with total impunity!

    Except maybe Burma, China and Iran !!!!!!

  406. Stupid Cursed Ganesh !!

    Not only Singhales, All Sri Lankans including Tamils do not fear taking the trains or the buses any more – You remember the Yal Devi Case ?????? How many innocent Tamil civilians died int that bomb blast ??? Where was your patriotism then ???? What do you have to say about the innocent Tamil lives that your mentally challenged bastard leader Piribaharan took ???

    At least the Tamils in the makeshift camps are smiling and happy – not with an uncertain as to when their children would not return from school where they hear that the LTTE has abducted them to join forces with a cyanide capsule around the neck. The people in the camps are not only fed, but given Rs, 25,000 / – to spend – which other government would do it you idiot ??????

    You point fingers at MR for killing Tamils and putting in mass graves – how about the mass graves you idiots created for them ?? How about the Tamil leaders you killed ?? If you really stand for the Tamils, you should come in all four and worship Mahinda for saving your race from mentally challenged bastards.

    Comments like this only ensures your place in Mulleriyawa, but also provides you with a life time permanent pass to the facility. There is enough and more voices that we hear and we are brainy enough to filter the wrong from right. Since when did you build up this undying love for the media ????? If so, why did your mentally challenged bastard leader bombarded the media stations in the North and did not allow even the private, unbiased media as Sirasa to operate in those areas ??

    Ado Modaya – before you throw stones at others, try to move out from the glass houses (or may I say cover your selves inside the Dungeons) you are in. You are the topmost ranked Fool in this forum – the rest are only followers… !!!

  407. Moda Rohan !!

    A country is an independent entity and has their own rights. UN is a world body that is more a less a guidance force. It will be up to the individual country to agree or oppose what’s put forward. Like what the USA does in most cases.

    We still want to come in to some kind of a political settlement – if there was a investigation, more of your terrorists will get charged with war crimes – it is the LTTE that did all the war crimes !!

  408. Reductio ad Absurdum

    The Sinhalese have no fear to take the trains ?

    They are peacefully travelling with happy smiles while 400 000 Tamils are suffering and not resettled yet as promised by King Mahinda on 31 of January !!!!

    248 000 Tamils are still in the concentration camps and starving !!!

    Then Sri Lanka committed mass murder of the incalculable amounts of the innocent Tamil civilians…then Sri Lankan President Mahinda said not one was killed!!!

    I don’t see the bereaved relatives of the slaughtered as happy !!

    —————–
    Jim Pappa !

    I strongly suspect , you are well-known resident in the Mulleriyawa.

    Have you heard of the intimidation of the Sri Lankan media ?

    People who voice their opinion , contrary to the official one , are ended up dead or imprison !!

    I think, no democratic country can kill journalists like Sri Lanka does with total impunity!

    Except maybe Burma, China and Iran !!!!!!

  409. Stupid Cursed Ganesh !!

    Not only Singhales, All Sri Lankans including Tamils do not fear taking the trains or the buses any more – You remember the Yal Devi Case ?????? How many innocent Tamil civilians died int that bomb blast ??? Where was your patriotism then ???? What do you have to say about the innocent Tamil lives that your mentally challenged bastard leader Piribaharan took ???

    At least the Tamils in the makeshift camps are smiling and happy – not with an uncertain as to when their children would not return from school where they hear that the LTTE has abducted them to join forces with a cyanide capsule around the neck. The people in the camps are not only fed, but given Rs, 25,000 / – to spend – which other government would do it you idiot ??????

    You point fingers at MR for killing Tamils and putting in mass graves – how about the mass graves you idiots created for them ?? How about the Tamil leaders you killed ?? If you really stand for the Tamils, you should come in all four and worship Mahinda for saving your race from mentally challenged bastards.

    Comments like this only ensures your place in Mulleriyawa, but also provides you with a life time permanent pass to the facility. There is enough and more voices that we hear and we are brainy enough to filter the wrong from right. Since when did you build up this undying love for the media ????? If so, why did your mentally challenged bastard leader bombarded the media stations in the North and did not allow even the private, unbiased media as Sirasa to operate in those areas ??

    Ado Modaya – before you throw stones at others, try to move out from the glass houses (or may I say cover your selves inside the Dungeons) you are in. You are the topmost ranked Fool in this forum – the rest are only followers… !!!

  410. Ganesh,

    'Ganesh' is a Hindu deity worshipped as the god of education, knowledge, wisdom and wealth. Given the drivel you're written here, please change your name to KOALEMOS, the Greek god of stupidity and foolishness.

    Genocide – a big lie

    248,000 Tamils in 'concentration camps and starving'. Another lie.

    Why only 248,000 ? Why not 249,000 or 247,567?

    Mass murder of civilians by SLA, another lie.

    Mass rapes in IDP camps. Lies.

    Genoicide. A really BIG Lie.

    What you cannot admit is, how it is the LTTE that is responsible for the deaths of those poor unfortunate civilians, held as hostages in May 2009.

    This is Eelam Pest Control. As soon as we've swatted away Eelam liars, more appear. Its a thankless task, but someone's gotta do it! :)

  411. Reductio ad Absurdum

    I enjoyed reading your fantasy. :)

    Till people like you start opening your eyes and realize that Tamils have genuine grievances and are treated like second nay third class citizens in their own country, Sri Lanka and its citizens are doomed for failure.

  412. Jim Pappa!

    Reductio ad Absurdum!

    The war claimed many innocent lives, mostly through the rampant bombing.

    How you could have missed that (or did not have it in your wavelength) is predictable.

    To the majority of the Singhalese, these lost lives are just statistics and whatever happened to the conscience of a nation.

    Isn’t it hilarious that your radar seems to have detected something very far off but failed to capture these atrocities close to home?

    Even while you are chiding some in the Diaspora, the Tamils of the North and East voted mostly against MR.

    May be instead of going after the Tamils you should strive harder to educate the Singhalese to see how the regime they voted in -massacred innocent civilians.

  413. Vannakam Mawatham,

    Here we go again. You simply cannot face the fact that the sole responsibility for the deaths of those Tamil civilians lies in the hands of the LTTE (Sole Representatives of the Tamil People ©) and their supporters.

    For someone of claimed superior intelligence, I find your refusal to face this blatantly obvious fact, rather puzzling. I'm truly sad that even one person had to lose their life or limbs due to the LTTE's hostage taking.

    The LTTE had its heavy artillery in the middle of the civilian displacement and routinely fired from there.

    It is undisputed (except for convinced Eelamists) that the LTTE held Tamil civilians hostages, hoping its cheerleaders in the West could hoodwink others into saving it militarily at the last minute on spurious humanitarian grounds.

    It is undisputed (except for convinced Eelamists) that the LTTE would not surrender and everything in its history suggests it wilfully facilitated the slaughter of the civilians as part of the greater Tamil good; i.e. it's own interests.

    The whole country and world knows that Tamil civilians lost their lives due to SLA action to free 300,000 civilian hostages.

    Let me repeat what I wrote earlier on this very same topic.

    Key principles when facing civilian casualties during a military assault/conflict.
    1. A military target remains a legitimate military target, even if it is located in a civilian area. The LTTE hid their mortars and heavy artillery amongst civilians to prevent the SL govt from legitimately destroying these units.

    2. The use of civilians as shields to try to prevent attacks on military targets is prohibited. Further comment on this aspect of the LTTE's strategy is futile.

    3. "The presence of a protected person [i.e. civilian hostages] may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."4th Geneva Convention, Article 28.

    4. The armed forces are not liable where injury to civilians results from unavoidable collateral damage, provided it is proportionate to the military gain expected of the attack.

    5. "Civilians do not enjoy absolute immunity. Their presence will not render military objects immune from attack for the mere reason that it is impossible to bombard them without causing injury to the non-combatants." Oppenheim's 'International Law'

    Fact 1: The LTTE used the Wanni civilians as a shield to prevent attacks on their forces by SL govt forces. Yes or No? Yes.

    Fact 2: The LTTE intermingled their fighting positions amongst the civilians in the 'No Fire Zone'. Yes or No? Yes..

    All of the above conditions existed during the last phase of the crushing of the LTTE. The SL govt did what they could to minimise civilians casualties during the final assault, but they were acting entirely within legal limits noted above.

    What did you and the rest of the LTTE supporting crowd do to pressurise the LTTE 'high command' to let the Tamil civilians go?

    The answer: absolutely nothing except for holding demonstrations excoriating the SL govt without uttering a word of criticism against the LTTE.

  414. Ganesh,

    ‘Ganesh’ is a Hindu deity worshipped as the god of education, knowledge, wisdom and wealth. Given the drivel you’re written here, please change your name to KOALEMOS, the Greek god of stupidity and foolishness.

    Genocide – a big lie

    248,000 Tamils in ‘concentration camps and starving’. Another lie.

    Why only 248,000 ? Why not 249,000 or 247,567?

    Mass murder of civilians by SLA, another lie.

    Mass rapes in IDP camps. Lies.

    Genoicide. A really BIG Lie.

    What you cannot admit is, how it is the LTTE that is responsible for the deaths of those poor unfortunate civilians, held as hostages in May 2009.

    This is Eelam Pest Control. As soon as we’ve swatted away Eelam liars, more appear. Its a thankless task, but someone’s gotta do it! :)

  415. Reductio ad Absurdum

    I enjoyed reading your fantasy. :)

    Till people like you start opening your eyes and realize that Tamils have genuine grievances and are treated like second nay third class citizens in their own country, Sri Lanka and its citizens are doomed for failure.

  416. Jim Pappa!

    Reductio ad Absurdum!

    The war claimed many innocent lives, mostly through the rampant bombing.

    How you could have missed that (or did not have it in your wavelength) is predictable.

    To the majority of the Singhalese, these lost lives are just statistics and whatever happened to the conscience of a nation.

    Isn’t it hilarious that your radar seems to have detected something very far off but failed to capture these atrocities close to home?

    Even while you are chiding some in the Diaspora, the Tamils of the North and East voted mostly against MR.

    May be instead of going after the Tamils you should strive harder to educate the Singhalese to see how the regime they voted in -massacred innocent civilians.

  417. Vannakam Mawatham,

    Here we go again. You simply cannot face the fact that the sole responsibility for the deaths of those Tamil civilians lies in the hands of the LTTE (Sole Representatives of the Tamil People ©) and their supporters.

    For someone of claimed superior intelligence, I find your refusal to face this blatantly obvious fact, rather puzzling. I’m truly sad that even one person had to lose their life or limbs due to the LTTE’s hostage taking.

    The LTTE had its heavy artillery in the middle of the civilian displacement and routinely fired from there.

    It is undisputed (except for convinced Eelamists) that the LTTE held Tamil civilians hostages, hoping its cheerleaders in the West could hoodwink others into saving it militarily at the last minute on spurious humanitarian grounds.

    It is undisputed (except for convinced Eelamists) that the LTTE would not surrender and everything in its history suggests it wilfully facilitated the slaughter of the civilians as part of the greater Tamil good; i.e. it’s own interests.

    The whole country and world knows that Tamil civilians lost their lives due to SLA action to free 300,000 civilian hostages.

    Let me repeat what I wrote earlier on this very same topic.

    Key principles when facing civilian casualties during a military assault/conflict.
    1. A military target remains a legitimate military target, even if it is located in a civilian area. The LTTE hid their mortars and heavy artillery amongst civilians to prevent the SL govt from legitimately destroying these units.

    2. The use of civilians as shields to try to prevent attacks on military targets is prohibited. Further comment on this aspect of the LTTE’s strategy is futile.

    3. “The presence of a protected person [i.e. civilian hostages] may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.”4th Geneva Convention, Article 28.

    4. The armed forces are not liable where injury to civilians results from unavoidable collateral damage, provided it is proportionate to the military gain expected of the attack.

    5. “Civilians do not enjoy absolute immunity. Their presence will not render military objects immune from attack for the mere reason that it is impossible to bombard them without causing injury to the non-combatants.” Oppenheim’s ‘International Law’

    Fact 1: The LTTE used the Wanni civilians as a shield to prevent attacks on their forces by SL govt forces. Yes or No? Yes.

    Fact 2: The LTTE intermingled their fighting positions amongst the civilians in the ‘No Fire Zone’. Yes or No? Yes..

    All of the above conditions existed during the last phase of the crushing of the LTTE. The SL govt did what they could to minimise civilians casualties during the final assault, but they were acting entirely within legal limits noted above.

    What did you and the rest of the LTTE supporting crowd do to pressurise the LTTE ‘high command’ to let the Tamil civilians go?

    The answer: absolutely nothing except for holding demonstrations excoriating the SL govt without uttering a word of criticism against the LTTE.

  418. Dungeon Silva !

    The question you have asked on your previous post has been a repeat question in these forums for zillion times. And the same answers to this question has been provided in all those forums in many ways for your pee brains to understand, but looks fruitless. Unfortunately, my Knowledge in Tamil is pretty bad, or if not, I could have may be put it in Tamil for you to understand better. (Let me give it a try anyways in a follow up post)

    Reductio has again explained in plain english as to how your question / comment of The war claimed many innocent lives, mostly through the rampant bombing.

    How you could have missed that (or did not have it in your wavelength) is predictable. being answered. Let me put it in English that might be understood by say a Malaysian taxi Driver.

    1. LTTE – no let innocent normal tamil people go to no war area
    2. LTTE fix bomb machines in normal people houses, government buildings and build bunkers in normal people houses
    3. LTTE put normal people in front – hiding behind them and shooting Siri Lanka Army
    4. Siri lanka army try to save normal people so much. but kill LTTE terrorist
    5. But, LTTE, no let normal people go to no war area
    6. Siri lanka army send photo can take planes to sky and saw LTTE bombing machine fixed houses, building like that..
    7. So Siri Lanka army send air force bombing planes to bomb LTTE bunker and bombing machine places they saw from Photo plane
    8. When bombing, some poor normal people also die – sad (Act Crying and show them)
    9. But, LTTE no cry, they kill and shoot people who want to go to no war area.
    10. But, Siri lanka army kill all LTTE and save innocent normal people from terrorist

    (And the Taxi driver starts clapping)

    Now – LTTE supporting people like you, don't seem to be in the wavelength of not understanding why the LTTE did not allow the innocent civilians to come to government control areas noh ?? Neither you shouted at the LTTE to release your brotheren, where as we the Sri Lankans did cry out loud for the LTTE to not to use them as shields. Who is more human – You, me or the LTTE ???

    If you cannot understand this fact – oh – I just remembered that I already called you a number 1 idiot – which I repeat and U thoroughly have earned by now !!

    Majority of the people in the north and east did vote for SF. But that was due to TNA propaganda – and what does the TNA say ?? At least U guys should be a part of the TNA so that your voices will at least start having some kind of credibility – what made u think that LTTE has any kind of credibility. You also cannot forget that MR also got close to a 100000 votes in these areas – what say about them ??? Only find and kill them like you did a few days ago and try to put the blame on GOSL ???

    Also can I demand from all you LTTE Idiots to answer the following question.

    What did you and the rest of the LTTE supporting crowd do to pressurise the LTTE ‘high command’ to let the Tamil civilians go?

    Do I still see you chickening out you cowards ????

  419. Ayubowan Jim Pappa !

    Ayubowan Reductio ad Absurdum !

    I am fairly certain you do not fully empathize with Tamils on the ground level in northern Sri Lanka.

    If you did then you wouldn’t have posted these comments.

    Tamil civilians have been subject to discriminatory policies since the Independence , 1948.

    Unlike the Palestinians and Kurds, Ceylon Tamils and their elected representatives did indeed use their brains and attempt to work with the Sinhalese majority government despite the fact the Sinhalese ignored the British administrators resolution advising protection of seats in parliament for Tamil and Muslim MP's ensuring communal representation.

    Ceylon Tamils put up with extreme discrimination from 1948-1983 – a full 35 years!

    When in the early 80's after years of blocking young Tamils from gainful employment or university places and sending in troops to harass Tamils – groups began splintering off who wanted to fight back.

    A large section of Tamil civilians still believe in democratic peaceful resolution but they are largely not listened to by Sinhala governments.

    In the current environment many children are orphaned from bombings and Tamil women have been victim (and are currently being victimised) of sexual abuse from the Sri Lankan armed forces.

    Civilians facing physical harassment from Sinhalese soldiers don't have the luxury to pontificate Reductio ad Absurdum and Jim Pappa.

    The international community (particularly the UN) cries crocodile tears over Burma and Palestine yet sanction Sinhalese atrocities against Tamil civilians and never gave two hoots whether they lived or died.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    I always advocate non-violent peaceful means to resolve problems !!

  420. Dungeon !

    I am fairly certain you do not fully empathize with Tamils on the ground level in northern Sri Lanka.

    Forget us, we are not certain, but, 100 % positive that you are dead against the Tamil in SL.That is why you post your comments and not answer when we ask you as to why you killed the great Tamil leaders and many other fellow Tamil Brotheren and even started your mission by Killing the Mayor of Jaffna who was a tamil.

    Unlike the Palestinians and Kurds, Ceylon Tamils and their elected representatives did indeed use their brains and attempt to work with the Sinhalese majority government despite the fact the Sinhalese ignored the British administrators resolution advising protection of seats in parliament for Tamil and Muslim MP’s ensuring communal representation.

    Is 50-50 a true representation of communal representation ??? See, until your Ponna Ponnambalam came up with this stupid policy, we worked together as Sri lankans. It is your Ponnaya who started the division. The British saw this and rightfully gave the country in writing to those whom they took in in writing in 1815. There was only 1 agreement that was signed in Kandy noh ??? Not 2 noh ?? Nothing was signed in Jaffna or Killinochchi Noh ??

    Ceylon Tamils put up with extreme discrimination from 1948-1983 – a full 35 years!

    tell me a few incidents of the "EXTREME" discrimination will you ?? If you say 1, I can point out 5 of what happened to the other Sri Lankan communities which we have the brains to understand as normal situation in a multi communal society. If you want to further know what this is, look at America for the colour issue and ask an Englishman whom you meet on the streets how they feel about a Scottish, Irish or a French…

    Alfred D was killed in 1978 – not 83 and it was your mentally challenged leader who did it ? Is that not discrimination against Tamils by Tamils ?? How about The rest who opposed your sick acts ?? Not discrimination ??

    When in the early 80’s after years of blocking young Tamils from gainful employment or university places and sending in troops to harass Tamils – groups began splintering off who wanted to fight back.

    Don't lie U bugger – even Jaffna had a university for Tamil people. I have Tamil relatives who worked in the Sri Lanka army and Navy – how can you say that they were not allowed jobs when they had jobs inside sensitive government organizations it self ?? Did you kill Alfred Doraiappa (A Tamil, Jaffna Mayor) because he didn't give Jobs to Tamil youth ?????? Don't talk bullshit ! Why did you kill 7 army personnel in 83 and provocate the Singhalees to go to the extend of killing innocent Tamils ?? Becuase you have an agenda since Ponnaya – those days are gone – no Sri Lankan is foolish any more to listed to your rubbish.

    A large section of Tamil civilians still believe in democratic peaceful resolution but they are largely not listened to by Sinhala governments.
    Who said no when JR brought the 13th Amendment in 87 ? Government??
    Why did prabha say no when Chandrika said to take over the north and east for 10 years no questions asked ??? Government ?? So many proposals have been put on table and your mentally sick leader had crooked eyes to see the light – we can't help it. Now, the new leaders who are more sensible and defa not mentally ill, would get a rightful solution for all of us.

    Also you have again gone on about rape etc. which we have discussed many times to be a lie and false propaganda from your end and no need to waste time on that.

    BUT, the laughing matter is when you say "I always advocate non-violent peaceful means to resolve problems !!"

    LOL – where the hell were you when LTTE were killing your own innocent Tamil people ?????? When the LTTE was holding civilians without letting them cross over to government control area at gun point???? When they shot those who escaped and came to government controlled areas ????

    Idiotic Joker !!

  421. Hello Moda Rohan !!

    No – SF will not be killed. Actually, the president has said that he would use his mandated powers to release SF no matter what the court order is.
    Don't worry, we will keep him for the future, in case we need him to get rid of the rest of you… :D !!

  422. Dungeon Silva !

    The question you have asked on your previous post has been a repeat question in these forums for zillion times. And the same answers to this question has been provided in all those forums in many ways for your pee brains to understand, but looks fruitless. Unfortunately, my Knowledge in Tamil is pretty bad, or if not, I could have may be put it in Tamil for you to understand better. (Let me give it a try anyways in a follow up post)

    Reductio has again explained in plain english as to how your question / comment of The war claimed many innocent lives, mostly through the rampant bombing.

    How you could have missed that (or did not have it in your wavelength) is predictable. being answered. Let me put it in English that might be understood by say a Malaysian taxi Driver.

    1. LTTE – no let innocent normal tamil people go to no war area
    2. LTTE fix bomb machines in normal people houses, government buildings and build bunkers in normal people houses
    3. LTTE put normal people in front – hiding behind them and shooting Siri Lanka Army
    4. Siri lanka army try to save normal people so much. but kill LTTE terrorist
    5. But, LTTE, no let normal people go to no war area
    6. Siri lanka army send photo can take planes to sky and saw LTTE bombing machine fixed houses, building like that..
    7. So Siri Lanka army send air force bombing planes to bomb LTTE bunker and bombing machine places they saw from Photo plane
    8. When bombing, some poor normal people also die – sad (Act Crying and show them)
    9. But, LTTE no cry, they kill and shoot people who want to go to no war area.
    10. But, Siri lanka army kill all LTTE and save innocent normal people from terrorist

    (And the Taxi driver starts clapping)

    Now – LTTE supporting people like you, don’t seem to be in the wavelength of not understanding why the LTTE did not allow the innocent civilians to come to government control areas noh ?? Neither you shouted at the LTTE to release your brotheren, where as we the Sri Lankans did cry out loud for the LTTE to not to use them as shields. Who is more human – You, me or the LTTE ???

    If you cannot understand this fact – oh – I just remembered that I already called you a number 1 idiot – which I repeat and U thoroughly have earned by now !!

    Majority of the people in the north and east did vote for SF. But that was due to TNA propaganda – and what does the TNA say ?? At least U guys should be a part of the TNA so that your voices will at least start having some kind of credibility – what made u think that LTTE has any kind of credibility. You also cannot forget that MR also got close to a 100000 votes in these areas – what say about them ??? Only find and kill them like you did a few days ago and try to put the blame on GOSL ???

    Also can I demand from all you LTTE Idiots to answer the following question.

    What did you and the rest of the LTTE supporting crowd do to pressurise the LTTE ‘high command’ to let the Tamil civilians go?

    Do I still see you chickening out you cowards ????

  423. Ayubowan Jim Pappa !

    Ayubowan Reductio ad Absurdum !

    I am fairly certain you do not fully empathize with Tamils on the ground level in northern Sri Lanka.

    If you did then you wouldn’t have posted these comments.

    Tamil civilians have been subject to discriminatory policies since the Independence , 1948.

    Unlike the Palestinians and Kurds, Ceylon Tamils and their elected representatives did indeed use their brains and attempt to work with the Sinhalese majority government despite the fact the Sinhalese ignored the British administrators resolution advising protection of seats in parliament for Tamil and Muslim MP’s ensuring communal representation.

    Ceylon Tamils put up with extreme discrimination from 1948-1983 – a full 35 years!

    When in the early 80′s after years of blocking young Tamils from gainful employment or university places and sending in troops to harass Tamils – groups began splintering off who wanted to fight back.

    A large section of Tamil civilians still believe in democratic peaceful resolution but they are largely not listened to by Sinhala governments.

    In the current environment many children are orphaned from bombings and Tamil women have been victim (and are currently being victimised) of sexual abuse from the Sri Lankan armed forces.

    Civilians facing physical harassment from Sinhalese soldiers don’t have the luxury to pontificate Reductio ad Absurdum and Jim Pappa.

    The international community (particularly the UN) cries crocodile tears over Burma and Palestine yet sanction Sinhalese atrocities against Tamil civilians and never gave two hoots whether they lived or died.

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    I always advocate non-violent peaceful means to resolve problems !!

  424. Dungeon !

    I am fairly certain you do not fully empathize with Tamils on the ground level in northern Sri Lanka.

    Forget us, we are not certain, but, 100 % positive that you are dead against the Tamil in SL.That is why you post your comments and not answer when we ask you as to why you killed the great Tamil leaders and many other fellow Tamil Brotheren and even started your mission by Killing the Mayor of Jaffna who was a tamil.

    Unlike the Palestinians and Kurds, Ceylon Tamils and their elected representatives did indeed use their brains and attempt to work with the Sinhalese majority government despite the fact the Sinhalese ignored the British administrators resolution advising protection of seats in parliament for Tamil and Muslim MP’s ensuring communal representation.

    Is 50-50 a true representation of communal representation ??? See, until your Ponna Ponnambalam came up with this stupid policy, we worked together as Sri lankans. It is your Ponnaya who started the division. The British saw this and rightfully gave the country in writing to those whom they took in in writing in 1815. There was only 1 agreement that was signed in Kandy noh ??? Not 2 noh ?? Nothing was signed in Jaffna or Killinochchi Noh ??

    Ceylon Tamils put up with extreme discrimination from 1948-1983 – a full 35 years!

    tell me a few incidents of the “EXTREME” discrimination will you ?? If you say 1, I can point out 5 of what happened to the other Sri Lankan communities which we have the brains to understand as normal situation in a multi communal society. If you want to further know what this is, look at America for the colour issue and ask an Englishman whom you meet on the streets how they feel about a Scottish, Irish or a French…

    Alfred D was killed in 1978 – not 83 and it was your mentally challenged leader who did it ? Is that not discrimination against Tamils by Tamils ?? How about The rest who opposed your sick acts ?? Not discrimination ??

    When in the early 80’s after years of blocking young Tamils from gainful employment or university places and sending in troops to harass Tamils – groups began splintering off who wanted to fight back.

    Don’t lie U bugger – even Jaffna had a university for Tamil people. I have Tamil relatives who worked in the Sri Lanka army and Navy – how can you say that they were not allowed jobs when they had jobs inside sensitive government organizations it self ?? Did you kill Alfred Doraiappa (A Tamil, Jaffna Mayor) because he didn’t give Jobs to Tamil youth ?????? Don’t talk bullshit ! Why did you kill 7 army personnel in 83 and provocate the Singhalees to go to the extend of killing innocent Tamils ?? Becuase you have an agenda since Ponnaya – those days are gone – no Sri Lankan is foolish any more to listed to your rubbish.

    A large section of Tamil civilians still believe in democratic peaceful resolution but they are largely not listened to by Sinhala governments.
    Who said no when JR brought the 13th Amendment in 87 ? Government??
    Why did prabha say no when Chandrika said to take over the north and east for 10 years no questions asked ??? Government ?? So many proposals have been put on table and your mentally sick leader had crooked eyes to see the light – we can’t help it. Now, the new leaders who are more sensible and defa not mentally ill, would get a rightful solution for all of us.

    Also you have again gone on about rape etc. which we have discussed many times to be a lie and false propaganda from your end and no need to waste time on that.

    BUT, the laughing matter is when you say “I always advocate non-violent peaceful means to resolve problems !!”

    LOL – where the hell were you when LTTE were killing your own innocent Tamil people ?????? When the LTTE was holding civilians without letting them cross over to government control area at gun point???? When they shot those who escaped and came to government controlled areas ????

    Idiotic Joker !!

  425. Hello Moda Rohan !!

    No – SF will not be killed. Actually, the president has said that he would use his mandated powers to release SF no matter what the court order is.
    Don’t worry, we will keep him for the future, in case we need him to get rid of the rest of you… :D !!

  426. As many as 40,000 civilians could have been killed during the final stages of the Sri Lankan civil war, according to someone with detailed knowledge of the conflict – the former United Nations’ spokesperson in Sri Lanka, Gordon Weiss.

    Mr Weiss has resigned from the UN after 14 years and returned home to Australia.

    He’s now free to speak openly about the situation in Sri Lanka, for the first time and does so candidly and unflinchingly .

    He tells reporter Eric Campbell that between 10,000 and 40,000 civilians died during the final, desperate battles – last year – of one of the world’s longest running and bloodiest civil wars.

    “About 300,000 civilians, plus the Tamil Tiger forces, were trapped in an area of territory about the size of Central Park in New York,” says Weiss.

    “They were within range of all the armaments that were being used, small and large, being used to smash the Tamil Tiger lines … the end result was that many thousands lost their lives.”

    Gordon Weiss says his information comes from reliable sources who had a presence inside the battle zone, not Tamil civilians or fighters.

    "The Sri Lankan government said many things which were either intentionally misleading, or were lies"

    He says that after the war ended, a senior civil servant openly admitted that the authorities had deliberately underestimated the number of trapped civilians “as a ploy to allow the government to get on with its business.”

  427. Hon. JIm MD – Wish to ask what relevance Balaraman's post of February 9th, 2010 at 7:19 am has to do with the subject matter and whether it is warning or a blocking this time around.

    Since cards are on table,

    Bala Me paththe !!

    Why didn't your wesi talk of this issues when in UN ??? Are you implying that UN is politicized to the extent that a authorized person as your Wesi cannot make a comment ??

    We all know that innocent people did die in the battle – I don't think even the GOSL said no, but said that they tried to minimize the casualties.

    Did your wesi also mention about the number of people that were killed by the LTTE out of the 40,000 ?? The ones who were killed when trying to escape to the government controlled areas ?? did he also mention anything about the footage of LTTE bastards shooting at the innocent civilians ??

    You also mention that Wesi said that the information was from sources inside who were not tamil or LTTE – now my question is where are they now ??? Ideally, they have survived the war. Which means they should cross over to government controlled areas and come in to custody of SLA. Meaning they should have not been put in to IDP camps as they were foreigners (from how is sounds), but sent to UN or other relevant organization they represent. If not, they should have escaped – now, if they could have escaped, why not Prabaharan ????? Rubbish stories no Putha ??? Isn't this proof that there were no such people in there ???? Which means whole Wesi story is cooked up ??

    Think a bot before you put out these stupid posts. Or else you will be worse than wesi !!

  428. As many as 40,000 civilians could have been killed during the final stages of the Sri Lankan civil war, according to someone with detailed knowledge of the conflict – the former United Nations’ spokesperson in Sri Lanka, Gordon Weiss.

    Mr Weiss has resigned from the UN after 14 years and returned home to Australia.

    He’s now free to speak openly about the situation in Sri Lanka, for the first time and does so candidly and unflinchingly .

    He tells reporter Eric Campbell that between 10,000 and 40,000 civilians died during the final, desperate battles – last year – of one of the world’s longest running and bloodiest civil wars.

    “About 300,000 civilians, plus the Tamil Tiger forces, were trapped in an area of territory about the size of Central Park in New York,” says Weiss.

    “They were within range of all the armaments that were being used, small and large, being used to smash the Tamil Tiger lines … the end result was that many thousands lost their lives.”

    Gordon Weiss says his information comes from reliable sources who had a presence inside the battle zone, not Tamil civilians or fighters.

    “The Sri Lankan government said many things which were either intentionally misleading, or were lies”

    He says that after the war ended, a senior civil servant openly admitted that the authorities had deliberately underestimated the number of trapped civilians “as a ploy to allow the government to get on with its business.”

  429. Hon. JIm MD – Wish to ask what relevance Balaraman’s post of February 9th, 2010 at 7:19 am has to do with the subject matter and whether it is warning or a blocking this time around.

    Since cards are on table,

    Bala Me paththe !!

    Why didn’t your wesi talk of this issues when in UN ??? Are you implying that UN is politicized to the extent that a authorized person as your Wesi cannot make a comment ??

    We all know that innocent people did die in the battle – I don’t think even the GOSL said no, but said that they tried to minimize the casualties.

    Did your wesi also mention about the number of people that were killed by the LTTE out of the 40,000 ?? The ones who were killed when trying to escape to the government controlled areas ?? did he also mention anything about the footage of LTTE bastards shooting at the innocent civilians ??

    You also mention that Wesi said that the information was from sources inside who were not tamil or LTTE – now my question is where are they now ??? Ideally, they have survived the war. Which means they should cross over to government controlled areas and come in to custody of SLA. Meaning they should have not been put in to IDP camps as they were foreigners (from how is sounds), but sent to UN or other relevant organization they represent. If not, they should have escaped – now, if they could have escaped, why not Prabaharan ????? Rubbish stories no Putha ??? Isn’t this proof that there were no such people in there ???? Which means whole Wesi story is cooked up ??

    Think a bot before you put out these stupid posts. Or else you will be worse than wesi !!