For India, November 26 Comes With Mixed Feelings

Remembering those killed in Mumbai on November 26, 2008

People all over the world are remembering and mourning the 166 people killed in a brutal series of attacks against innocent civilians two years ago today.  Those victims were of every caste, creed, gender and national origin that is so reflective of India’s diversity. But, it was also on November 26, 1949, when the Indian constituent assembly adopted a constitution that among other things guaranteed social, economic and political justice.

The attacks two years ago are a grim reminder of the human rights violations that go on in the world today, committed not just by governments around the world, but also by shadowy groups with radical views.  To a family that lost a loved one on that day in Mumbai, just as a family who might have lost a loved one at the hands of any government, the loss is still a loss and it is still a human rights violation.   And, those committing the human rights violation must be prosecuted just as Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the sole surviving attacker was prosecuted (with a guarantee of a fair trial and no use of the death penalty).

In the end, though, it is the idealism of the idea of India embodied in that constitution approved on November 26, 1949 that must shine through.  It’s a flawed document, just as India (and all countries) are flawed countries.  But, in there, we see the seeds of a nation and a world that can be free from human rights violations such as those that happened on November 26, 2008.  Let’s hope that the spirit of November 26, 1949 and not of November 26, 2008 will live as India continues its march onwards.

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26 thoughts on “For India, November 26 Comes With Mixed Feelings

  1. I wish to stress up on the following sentence.

    The attacks two years ago are a grim reminder of the human rights violations that go on in the world today, committed not just by governments around the world, but also by shadowy groups with radical views.

    And Also goes on to say,

    And, those committing the human rights violation must be prosecuted just as Mohammed Ajmal Kasab,…

    I wish to know, what AI proposes to do in a situation where the attackers (or in point blank terms – "TERRORISTS" ) cannot be caught alive legally. Say for example, in the case of Osama Bin Laden… We know where he is, but cannot take him to custody as he is surrounded by innocent people – in other terms Human Shields. But, we all know that by him being there, he would plan attacks where many more civilian lives will perish due to his brutality – more than those who protect him by being his human shield…

    What do U propose ? Do we bombard the area to ensure that he perishes so that the rest of the world lives peacefully or let him be so that he could continue to kill more civilians ???

  2. I think a well-trained military can find a way to capture someone alive in the circumstance that you outline. If, however, bin Laden is firing a weapon, then it seems reasonable that soldiers will have to fire back in self-defense if they had to do so.

    Wouldn't it be so much sweeter for the victims of terrorism to see that Osama bin Laden is put behind bars for his crimes for the rest of his life instead of being some charred body that is unidentifiable? I think that India did a very good thing by capturing Kasab alive and giving him a fair trial. It's a lesson that other countries that face terrorism need to look to as a model.

  3. I wish to stress up on the following sentence.

    The attacks two years ago are a grim reminder of the human rights violations that go on in the world today, committed not just by governments around the world, but also by shadowy groups with radical views.

    And Also goes on to say,

    And, those committing the human rights violation must be prosecuted just as Mohammed Ajmal Kasab,…

    I wish to know, what AI proposes to do in a situation where the attackers (or in point blank terms – “TERRORISTS” ) cannot be caught alive legally. Say for example, in the case of Osama Bin Laden… We know where he is, but cannot take him to custody as he is surrounded by innocent people – in other terms Human Shields. But, we all know that by him being there, he would plan attacks where many more civilian lives will perish due to his brutality – more than those who protect him by being his human shield…

    What do U propose ? Do we bombard the area to ensure that he perishes so that the rest of the world lives peacefully or let him be so that he could continue to kill more civilians ???

  4. I think a well-trained military can find a way to capture someone alive in the circumstance that you outline. If, however, bin Laden is firing a weapon, then it seems reasonable that soldiers will have to fire back in self-defense if they had to do so.

    Wouldn’t it be so much sweeter for the victims of terrorism to see that Osama bin Laden is put behind bars for his crimes for the rest of his life instead of being some charred body that is unidentifiable? I think that India did a very good thing by capturing Kasab alive and giving him a fair trial. It’s a lesson that other countries that face terrorism need to look to as a model.

  5. Hi Govind,

    As we're talking about Indian heroes, I nominate Inspector KPS Gill, who in the 1990s destroyed the Punjabi (Khalistanti) terrorist movement. Long before Sri Lanka managed to completely wipe out the LTTE, 'big brother' India gave us a master class in how to improve human rights by crushing terrorism. http://tinyurl.com/35kxn5r

    I'm surprised you forgot to mention Nalini Sriharan, a member of Rajiv Gandhi's hit team, who escaped the death penalty due to a plea for clemency from his widow.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8594177.stm

    Hatred is Conquered by Love (and all that good stuff) – Dhammapada Verse 3

  6. Hi Govind,

    As we're talking about Indian heroes, I nominate Inspector KPS Gill, who in the 1990s destroyed the Punjabi (Khalistanti) terrorist movement. Long before Sri Lanka managed to completely wipe out the LTTE, 'big brother' India gave us a master class in how to improve human rights by crushing terrorism. http://tinyurl.com/35kxn5r

    I'm surprised you forgot to mention Nalini Sriharan, a member of Rajiv Gandhi's hit team, who escaped the death penalty due to a plea for clemency from his widow.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8594177.stm

    Hatred is Conquered by Love (and all that good stuff) – Dhammapada Verse 3

  7. Hi Govind,

    As we're talking about Indian heroes, I nominate Inspector KPS Gill, who in the 1990s destroyed the Punjabi (Khalistanti) terrorist movement. Long before Sri Lanka managed to completely wipe out the LTTE, 'big brother' India gave us a master class in how to improve human rights by crushing terrorism. http://tinyurl.com/35kxn5r

    I'm surprised you forgot to mention Nalini Sriharan, a member of Rajiv Gandhi's hit team, who escaped the death penalty due to a plea for clemency from his widow.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8594177.stm

    Hatred is Conquered by Love (and all that good stuff) – Dhammapada Verse 3

  8. Hey Govind,

    Of course I agree on arresting without a single drop of blood being spilled… But, the Sad truth is the US Army along with NATO who claim to be the best army in the world has still failed to capture Osama after so many years in to 9/11 and since, his empire has grown to an extent that many Innocent Muslims have been brain washed to join his Terror acts :( …. 26/11 was the result of such act don't you think ?? Ain't it the situation that demands drastic or lenient measures when it comes to such situations ? India took almost 3 days to get rid of 20 monkeys in the process getting 166 people killed… May be a faster reaction would have have saved at least 1 of them – better HR don't ya think?? (Not trying to justify anything, but, trying to be practical and make the best of of the worst scenario)

  9. Hi Govind,

    As we’re talking about Indian heroes, I nominate Inspector KPS Gill, who in the 1990s destroyed the Punjabi (Khalistanti) terrorist movement. Long before Sri Lanka managed to completely wipe out the LTTE, ‘big brother’ India gave us a master class in how to improve human rights by crushing terrorism.
    http://tinyurl.com/35kxn5r

    I’m surprised you forgot to mention Nalini Sriharan, a member of Rajiv Gandhi’s hit team, who escaped the death penalty due to a plea for clemency from his widow.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8594177.stm

    Hatred is Conquered by Love (and all that good stuff) – Dhammapada Verse 3

  10. Hey Govind,

    Of course I agree on arresting without a single drop of blood being spilled… But, the Sad truth is the US Army along with NATO who claim to be the best army in the world has still failed to capture Osama after so many years in to 9/11 and since, his empire has grown to an extent that many Innocent Muslims have been brain washed to join his Terror acts :( …. 26/11 was the result of such act don’t you think ?? Ain’t it the situation that demands drastic or lenient measures when it comes to such situations ? India took almost 3 days to get rid of 20 monkeys in the process getting 166 people killed… May be a faster reaction would have have saved at least 1 of them – better HR don’t ya think?? (Not trying to justify anything, but, trying to be practical and make the best of of the worst scenario)

  11. Hummer: the answer to most of your questions is "maybe." With respect to the failure to capture bin Laden, my guess is that it did at least indirectly contribute to the Mumbai attacks. My understanding about the police effort in Mumbai on those dark days was that they did save a lot of civilian lives by taking care to rescue as many people as possible before launching any assault.

  12. Hummer: the answer to most of your questions is “maybe.” With respect to the failure to capture bin Laden, my guess is that it did at least indirectly contribute to the Mumbai attacks. My understanding about the police effort in Mumbai on those dark days was that they did save a lot of civilian lives by taking care to rescue as many people as possible before launching any assault.

  13. Govind – thanks for the answer……

    As I figured out – "May Be" and "Uncertainty" combined with "What IF?" are the main highlights…. I don't think we should take any action if we have any kind of doubt about anything.

    See, the only point I am trying to drive is that there are certain cases that needs to be handled differently. As humans with Logical thinking capacity, we need to distinguish between them and act accordingly. Or if not, we are playing in to the hands of the unholy… This is what we differentiate as "Spirit of Law" from "Letter of Law"…. Bottom-line – Terrorism should be gotten rid of immaterial of any law – obviously with less damage to innocent – Ex. Sri Lanka :) !

  14. Govind – thanks for the answer……

    As I figured out – “May Be” and “Uncertainty” combined with “What IF?” are the main highlights…. I don’t think we should take any action if we have any kind of doubt about anything.

    See, the only point I am trying to drive is that there are certain cases that needs to be handled differently. As humans with Logical thinking capacity, we need to distinguish between them and act accordingly. Or if not, we are playing in to the hands of the unholy… This is what we differentiate as “Spirit of Law” from “Letter of Law”…. Bottom-line – Terrorism should be gotten rid of immaterial of any law – obviously with less damage to innocent – Ex. Sri Lanka :) !

  15. Govind..

    Try visit the latest blog on Sri Lanka. You will see what Mango and I have been talking to you about – i.e. LTTE Terrorists posting off topic and pasting articles that are irrelevant from other sites.

    Don't Jim and you operate with the same organization? Why are those LTTE guys not blocked for posting off topic ?

  16. Govind..

    Try visit the latest blog on Sri Lanka. You will see what Mango and I have been talking to you about – i.e. LTTE Terrorists posting off topic and pasting articles that are irrelevant from other sites.

    Don’t Jim and you operate with the same organization? Why are those LTTE guys not blocked for posting off topic ?

  17. It's up to whomever is dealing with the blog entry to do the moderating. I don't deal with Sri Lanka and given that there are lots of things to talk about for India and in the end, we shouldn't have gotten sidetracked on Sri Lanka, something that I was partly responsible for doing.

  18. It’s up to whomever is dealing with the blog entry to do the moderating. I don’t deal with Sri Lanka and given that there are lots of things to talk about for India and in the end, we shouldn’t have gotten sidetracked on Sri Lanka, something that I was partly responsible for doing.

  19. Hi Govind,

    Please delete this post as it is only a mere effort to write to you and this is the only way to do so.

    I don't get the point of you working on one set of rules and Jim MD or who ever is moderating that blog operating differently. U guys work for the same org. and prob. have the same set of work ethics…

    This is where I really feel that Jim MD is getting a huge bribe from the LTTE to act a shameless hooligan supporting terrorism !!

    I truly see your posts to be more precise and unbiased as oppose to his posts that also includes his assumptions…

    Is there any person – a boss of Jim MD or AI that we could complain about this to ??

  20. I will only speak for myself here: *if* I were working on Sri Lanka, I honestly would not even look at the comments mainly because it is very distracting, not enlightening and I would end up spending all of my time on moderating comments. I know Jim very well and he is extremely unbiased and passionate about ending all human rights in Sri Lanka. You have the right to be upset that you're posts on the Sri Lanka stuff gets voted down and no one can see them, but please do not disparage Jim personally.

    I mistakenly got sucked into the Sri Lanka stuff on my previous post mainly because I love to argue and I shouldn't have done it. You and a couple of others (Mango, Rip Van Winkle) like to argue as well and that's great, but in the end, maybe it's not worth the effort for you to do so? They seem to just get voted down and doesn't get read by anyone. You all are welcome to argue it out with me here if you want about the stuff I write about, but I do realize that since it is not about Sri Lanka, you might not be quite as passionate about it.

  21. Hi Govind,

    Please delete this post as it is only a mere effort to write to you and this is the only way to do so.

    I don’t get the point of you working on one set of rules and Jim MD or who ever is moderating that blog operating differently. U guys work for the same org. and prob. have the same set of work ethics…

    This is where I really feel that Jim MD is getting a huge bribe from the LTTE to act a shameless hooligan supporting terrorism !!

    I truly see your posts to be more precise and unbiased as oppose to his posts that also includes his assumptions…

    Is there any person – a boss of Jim MD or AI that we could complain about this to ??

  22. I will only speak for myself here: *if* I were working on Sri Lanka, I honestly would not even look at the comments mainly because it is very distracting, not enlightening and I would end up spending all of my time on moderating comments. I know Jim very well and he is extremely unbiased and passionate about ending all human rights in Sri Lanka. You have the right to be upset that you’re posts on the Sri Lanka stuff gets voted down and no one can see them, but please do not disparage Jim personally.

    I mistakenly got sucked into the Sri Lanka stuff on my previous post mainly because I love to argue and I shouldn’t have done it. You and a couple of others (Mango, Rip Van Winkle) like to argue as well and that’s great, but in the end, maybe it’s not worth the effort for you to do so? They seem to just get voted down and doesn’t get read by anyone. You all are welcome to argue it out with me here if you want about the stuff I write about, but I do realize that since it is not about Sri Lanka, you might not be quite as passionate about it.

  23. Hi Govind,

    Actually, we have informed Jim about the voting system here and how it actually doesn't work right…. We actually can multiple vote by using different IP's and if on Wi-Fi network that uses NAT IP's, you just can go on forever. We in fact caught the guy comes with the Handle "Rohan" multiple voting one Saturday night and to be honest I have done it several times too – you might see that certain blogs, all LTTE comments are voted down.

    Anyways, I don't intent to write off topic on this blog – I don't like it too – wish I had a mail address to chat up with you – Like it when you reply and discuss / argue… Excellent and we do see where you are coming from. Jim doesn't do it and we don't trust his integrity after his "Cluster Bomb" lie (common, this is a blunt lie)

    As for arguing, yes, I guess that's where ideas come out and it's a good thing to happen and on SL blogs, you get so many copy paste articles from different websites and it's irritating even for us. We like when people write their own stuff and argue.

    Sorry about this blog too as it has nothing to do with the topic. Please delete this… But, since, I am writing this, just a suggestion – Why not start a blog for immediate release of Wikileaks owner ?? I mean, the guy's rights are utterly violated just because he leaked some horrible truth's about the USA government….?

  24. Hi Govind,

    Actually, we have informed Jim about the voting system here and how it actually doesn’t work right…. We actually can multiple vote by using different IP’s and if on Wi-Fi network that uses NAT IP’s, you just can go on forever. We in fact caught the guy comes with the Handle “Rohan” multiple voting one Saturday night and to be honest I have done it several times too – you might see that certain blogs, all LTTE comments are voted down.

    Anyways, I don’t intent to write off topic on this blog – I don’t like it too – wish I had a mail address to chat up with you – Like it when you reply and discuss / argue… Excellent and we do see where you are coming from. Jim doesn’t do it and we don’t trust his integrity after his “Cluster Bomb” lie (common, this is a blunt lie)

    As for arguing, yes, I guess that’s where ideas come out and it’s a good thing to happen and on SL blogs, you get so many copy paste articles from different websites and it’s irritating even for us. We like when people write their own stuff and argue.

    Sorry about this blog too as it has nothing to do with the topic. Please delete this… But, since, I am writing this, just a suggestion – Why not start a blog for immediate release of Wikileaks owner ?? I mean, the guy’s rights are utterly violated just because he leaked some horrible truth’s about the USA government….?